He's not elite at all.
- RogerRoeper

Just

The media has decided he should be the face of great leadership. Patrick Kane has more talent.
- RogerRoeper

Just
- fifty__missions

Never been PPG except in a shortened season.

People need to stop overrating the "Overall" argument. That's why an great winger like Taylor Hall is somehow left off of Team Canada.

Never been PPG except in a shortened season.

People need to stop overrating the "Overall" argument. That's why an great winger like Taylor Hall is somehow left off of Team Canada.
- RogerRoeper

Oh man this only gets better.

The media has decided he should be the face of great leadership. Patrick Kane has more talent.
- RogerRoeper

Kane has more offensive talent. Media regardless you can look at what he does on the ice, his overall demeanor and what players say about him and make your own judgement call and from what I ve seen from him in the NHL and his junior career he looks to be a great leader.

Never been PPG except in a shortened season.

People need to stop overrating the "Overall" argument. That's why an great winger like Taylor Hall is somehow left off of Team Canada.
- RogerRoeper

So let me get this straight the only way a player is elite is if they are offensive? (frank) goalies are getting screwed here.

Oh man this only gets better.
- fifty__missions

My saying Taylor Hall is a great winger is so hilarious. It's insane leaving him off the big ice for slow wingers like Kunitz/Nash.

Can you actually discuss anything or or are smileys your only way?

So let me get this straight the only way a player is elite is if they are offensive? (frank) goalies are getting screwed here.
- Yeti1181

Defensive side of the game is becoming far, far overrated. There's never been a time in the history of the NHl where scoring 5 on 5 is more difficult.

Never been PPG except in a shortened season.

People need to stop overrating the "Overall" argument. That's why an great winger like Taylor Hall is somehow left off of Team Canada.
- RogerRoeper

I don't know if you noticed but edmonton continues to suck with their elite talent.

My saying Taylor Hall is a great winger is so hilarious. It's insane leaving him off the big ice for slow wingers like Kunitz/Nash.

Can you actually discuss anything or or are smileys your only way?
- RogerRoeper

You originally said Hall was left off because of Toews

I don't know if you noticed but edmonton continues to suck with their elite talent.
- Yeti1181

It's a team game. Give me Taylor Hall anyday. One of the best wingers in the world.

Defensive side of the game is becoming far, far overrated. There's never been a time in the history of the NHl where scoring 5 on 5 is more difficult.
- RogerRoeper

Yes cause it's the offensive teams that keep winning the Stanley cup year after year. Hockey is a complete game and you have to be able to play all facets of the game.

Let me guess, the lame "Overall" argument? Kane is the better player. Period.

Toews is not elite. He's overrated.
- RogerRoeper

One of the dumber things I've ever read.

It's a team game. Give me Taylor Hall anyday. One of the best wingers in the world.
- RogerRoeper

Offensively can't play d to save his life right now. (in fairness he's young and will learn as he goes)

One of the dumber things I've ever read.
- sanfordnson

Again,

My saying Taylor Hall is a great winger is so hilarious. It's insane leaving him off the big ice for slow wingers like Kunitz/Nash.

Can you actually discuss anything or or are smileys your only way?
- RogerRoeper

How does that relate to Toews?

You said Hall was left off because of Toews
- fifty__missions

No I didn't. Where did you get this?

Offensively can't play d to save his life right now. (in fairness he's young and will learn as he goes)
- Yeti1181

Exaggeration but a valid point.

Exaggeration but a valid point.
- sanfordnson

Little bit but this argument has been like this no time to change directions.

Exaggeration but a valid point.
- sanfordnson

And Team Canada can't score. You pick the most talent. End of storey. Remember the time they brought Rob Zamuner for his defense?

And Team Canada can't score. You pick the most talent. End of storey. Remember the time they brought Rob Zamuner for his defense?
- RogerRoeper

Trying to forget. Personally, whether he deserved it or not, I knew Hallsy wouldn't make it. Just how selection tends to go. This will be the last time guys like Nash and Kunitz and Bergeron get nods to go.

Trying to forget. Personally, whether he deserved it or not, I knew Hallsy wouldn't make it. Just how selection tends to go. This will be the last time guys like Nash and Kunitz and Bergeron get nods to go.
- sanfordnson

They'll pick some other "Defense First" guys next time then.

They'll pick some other "Defense First" guys next time then.
- RogerRoeper

Depends how it shakes out. If they take gold no reason to change. If they don't medal, someones going to point out that NHL stratagems don't translate well to international ice. I had some pointed debates with a certain ref on here how taking Nash was a mistake.

Depends how it shakes out. If they take gold no reason to change. If they don't medal, someones going to point out that NHL stratagems don't translate well to international ice. I had some pointed debates with a certain ref on here how taking Nash was a mistake.
- sanfordnson

Nash doesn't even play good defense. His offense doesn't look great anymore.

You have to really watch bringing guys for their "Defensive Abilities" on an NHL sized ice surface, when it's an international sized rink.

Is there any chance Taylor Halls game will deteriorate on a bigger ice? very doubtful.

Nash doesn't even play good defense. His offense doesn't look great anymore.

You have to really watch bringing guys for their "Defensive Abilities" on an NHL sized ice surface, when it's an international sized rink.

Is there any chance Taylor Halls game will deteriorate on a bigger ice? very doubtful.
- RogerRoeper

Hey, I was an advocate of Halls. I was largely scorned for it. Oilers players dont get serious consideration, because they're Oilers players.