Yea the reason Edmonton still sucks is because there was no Crosby, Malkin, Toews, Kane, Stamkos, Ovechkin, even Erik Johnson available. Couldn't possibly have been



Fun to note all those teams who made those picks have made the playoffs more recently than the Oilers
- Deadstar

While it's evident a rebuild has more to it than drafting, doesn't the fact that each and every one of those players were selected before even Taylor Hall have a lot to bear on them making the playoffs first?

You know, because they're further along in development?

Let's try and right this ship.
- Ryan_Wilson

I believe it sank a few pages back

These 2 are pretty bad. There are a few others. We all have trolls in our fan bases that are embarrassment to the regs. 87 & 71 R hockey is a massive douche. Oneta is pretty sad. There are more....
- Iggysbff

Some fans overtly believe that cheering for a successful team makes them more educated.

Some fans just seem to have it engrained in their thinking without their realizing it.

I believe it sank a few pages back
- MadCap2008

I think we'll be good moving forward.

Let's try and right this ship.
- Ryan_Wilson

Just admit it, your thread is purposely tanking to draft better posters.

yea i edited mine with Simon Despres, however that is only 3 three players from the past 6 draft classes to make their roster. I do not think a team has done worst than that over the six year period.
- Mentalorgasm5

Beau Bennett, Alex Gologoski... Ben LoveJoy 5-6 d man for the Ducks ... just off the top of my head

Beau Bennett, Alex Gologoski... Ben LoveJoy 5-6 d man for the Ducks ... just off the top of my head
- Brianandr1

Lovejoy was undrafted and Gogo was 9 years ago.

I think we'll be good moving forward.
- Ryan_Wilson

- Iggysbff

can threads even be locked on hb?

No doubt the oil shouldn't be this bad. Those kids have been given no insulation.

But what did we expect? Cups three years out of our first draft pick?
This isn't some sort of poor reflection on nuge or hall.

If we're gonna equate to the pens, we'd still have our 5th lottery in staal coming up...

Why is it so difficult for the majority of posters to use a modicum of logic instead of the same tired mistruths?

can threads even be locked on hb?
- Morris

Oh yes, just ask anybody who used to frequent the Berger or Barry threads.

can threads even be locked on hb?
- Morris

There have been a few....I think Dee's was locked just last week....

While it's evident a rebuild has more to it than drafting, doesn't the fact that each and every one of those players were selected before even Taylor Hall have a lot to bear on them making the playoffs first?

You know, because they're further along in development?
- Morris

Partially.

In the end, it still points back to Lowe and Mactavish as being bad at their jobs. I'd say that's the denominator when comparing the Oilers to every other rebuild.

Good blog by Josh Yohe on what makes Croby tick:
http://blog.triblive.com/...ves-crosby/#axzz2tWeRXKpF

Lovejoy was undrafted and Gogo was 9 years ago.
- Morris

Correct Despres,Bennett, Bortuzzo and Maatta are the only ones. Though Samuelson had a stint this season and more then likely Harrington and Poulliot which get a shot in Pittsburgh or else where. To be honest going through the draft boards, the Pens have not had that many picks over the last 6 seasons.

Partially.

In the end, it still points back to Lowe and Mactavish as being bad at their jobs. I'd say that's the denominator when comparing the Oilers to every other rebuild.
- Deadstar

Mact hasn't even been gm for a full year.
See my last post

Mact hasn't even been gm for a full year.
See my last post
- hugefemale dog77

Which is why I included Lowe in there

nice to see mentalorgasm or whatever his name is can spew his filth on a Penguins thread, yet my post gets deleted.
- Deadstar

I just looked back six pages and didnt see any of your posts deleted? What are you talking about?

Partially.

In the end, it still points back to Lowe and Mactavish as being bad at their jobs. I'd say that's the denominator when comparing the Oilers to every other rebuild.
- Deadstar

Mactavish has been GM for less than a year.

He's made some excellent moves.

I just looked back six pages and didnt see any of your posts deleted? What are you talking about?
- Yeti1181

You may be right. Usually the thread redirects to page 1 when a post is deleted. This hasn't happened to me.

Partially.

In the end, it still points back to Lowe and Mactavish as being bad at their jobs. I'd say that's the denominator when comparing the Oilers to every other rebuild.
- Deadstar

So you're saying that
Hall/Nuge < Crosby/Malkin
BUT
MacT/Lowe <<<<< Shero/Patrick

I can see that reasoning for sure, but I wonder if you're overestimating the gap between management groups and underestimating the gap (especially at young ages) between cornerstone players.

I just looked back six pages and didnt see any of your posts deleted? What are you talking about?
- Yeti1181

There was a post of how the Penguins sucked when they spent a fraction on their payroll compared to other teams. It vanquished. Not that it matters.

So you're saying that
Hall/Nuge < Crosby/Malkin
BUT
MacT/Lowe <<<<< Shero/Patrick

I can see that reasoning for sure, but I wonder if you're overestimating the gap between management groups and underestimating the gap (especially at young ages) between cornerstone players.
- Morris

it's always tough to compare. Every team and situation is unique. The main point is rebuilds should not take as long in a cap world. There's an element to luck in every draft position and pick. No one's denying that. I just think the Oilers management team (no matter who has been calling the shots since the cup finals run) has done a pretty poor just in managing the personnel.

So you're saying that
Hall/Nuge < Crosby/Malkin
BUT
MacT/Lowe <<<<< Shero/Patrick

I can see that reasoning for sure, but I wonder if you're overestimating the gap between management groups and underestimating the gap (especially at young ages) between cornerstone players.
- Morris

Drafting at the top of the draft is easy. Simply take who every scouting service and rankings have as the number one player. Usually the drafts go in the exact order of pre draft rankings. It is not the GM's fault who the players are in a particular draft. I am sure if someone drafted Toews over Eric Johnson, they would have been ripped apart.

Next year who ever drafts McDavid will be the smartest GM in the league.

it's always tough to compare. Every team and situation is unique. The main point is rebuilds should not take as long in a cap world. There's an element to luck in every draft position and pick. No one's denying that. I just don't think the Oilers management team (no matter who has been calling the shots since the cup finals run) has done a pretty poor just in managing the personnel.
- Deadstar

Agreed. What they've done their has been so poor that I wonder why anyone every brings up their drafting, which by comparison is perfectly fine.