Im sure he'll be a 7th Dmen in the NHL for some team, but he doesnt fit the Leafs.

Kostka 2.0
- jbold

Kostka never dominated the AHL in the same way. You're probably right about Brennan being nothing more than a 7th d-man, but when you lead your team in goals and rank 4th in the league in points, well you have my curiousity peaked.

No, but everyone said he couldn't play defense in the NHL. Good positioning is all you need to learn, offensive instincts can't be taught. How many Norris winners were tough hitting D-men. POSITIONING.
- LeafMan

Not that many, actually.

http://www.legendsofhocke...TrophyWinners.jsp?tro=JNT

Yeah, you made me look it up.

Brennan deserves a shot- it's not like this team has a world beater defense anyways

Sign him to a one-way next season, give him a good shot at making the team.

If he doesn't fit, waive him... you may lose him if you do, but if you don't offer him that one-way contract, he's 100% going to be playing somewhere else.
- Feeling Glucky?

Play him over who, exactly? And waive him? sure, but who will replace him?


He'll be Rangersaricks replacement.

7th dman who will sit in the press box most nights.

Play him over who, exactly? And waive him? sure, but who will replace him?


He'll be Rangersaricks replacement.

7th dman who will sit in the press box most nights.
- jbold

This is just mean.

Krug isnt a late bloomer.

He's Bostons version of Gardiner..
- jbold

He isn't a late bloomer, but neither is Brennan. THe difference between Krug and Brennan is when they got their shot, one exceeded expectations by leaps and bounds. The Bruins had him ticketed for the AHL over the long haul, Julien wouldnt use him. He was forced into using him by injuries.

Kostka never dominated the AHL in the same way. You're probably right about Brennan being nothing more than a 7th d-man, but when you lead your team in goals and rank 4th in points, well you have my curiousity peaked.
- mykokes

For the Marlies, Kostka was a PPG Dman.

Season before that he has 32 points in 52 games. and in Rochester he had 54 points in 80 games...


Kostka was offensively gifted in the AHL for a Dman. A lot like Brennan.



Im all for giving brennan a shot, but who does he play over? No one has answered this yet.

For him to be productive and successful, he needs PP time. Who is replacing on the PP?

Gunnar-DIon
Gleason-Rielly
Gardiner-Franson


Are you really going to take out Gardiner or Franson for Brennan?

He isn't a late bloomer, but neither is Brennan. THe difference between Krug and Brennan is when they got their shot, one exceeded expectations by leaps and bounds. The Bruins had him ticketed for the AHL over the long haul, Julien wouldnt use him. He was forced into using him by injuries.
- mykokes

Brennan has played 40 NHL games and quite frankly, he wasnt anything special.

Brennan should get a shot, but not with the Leafs. Not with the players ahead of him.


Krug gets PP time and solid minutes. Something Brennan wouldnt, and shouldnt get with the Leafs.


Like I said.


Who does Brennan play over?

Theres a reason no one signed him to be a 7th Dman on their team. They rather have their own kids who can do what he does, play and develop.

McNabb can't make the Sabres....they're an organization obsessed with giving Tyler Myers 24 minutes of ice time a night. Brennan was fine in Florida, many Florida fans wonder why he was jettisoned.
- mykokes

Well, his totals this year are the best of his hockey career right back to Junior - he may just be that late bloomer. But Randy has to have a reason and a spot to play him, and we know he'll choose Ranger over TJ.

For the Marlies, Kostka was a PPG Dman.

Season before that he has 32 points in 52 games. and in Rochester he had 54 points in 80 games...


Kostka was offensively gifted in the AHL for a Dman. A lot like Brennan.



Im all for giving brennan a shot, but who does he play over? No one has answered this yet.

For him to be productive and successful, he needs PP time. Who is replacing on the PP?

Gunnar-DIon
Gleason-Rielly
Gardiner-Franson


Are you really going to take out Gardiner or Franson for Brennan?
- jbold

Are you referring to this 27 year old season for Kostka?:
2012-13 Toronto Marlies AHL 34 6 28 34 38 7?
Brennan was doing that last year...
2012-13 Rochester Americans AHL 36 14 21 35 57 -4

This year he's even better.
2013-14 Toronto Marlies AHL 48 20 31 51 72 -5

A 30 goal pace from an ahl d-man is pretty impressive if you ask me. 24 years old......

For the Marlies, Kostka was a PPG Dman.

Season before that he has 32 points in 52 games. and in Rochester he had 54 points in 80 games...


Kostka was offensively gifted in the AHL for a Dman. A lot like Brennan.



Im all for giving brennan a shot, but who does he play over? No one has answered this yet.

For him to be productive and successful, he needs PP time. Who is replacing on the PP?

Gunnar-DIon
Gleason-Rielly
Gardiner-Franson


Are you really going to take out Gardiner or Franson for Brennan?
- jbold

Franson hasn't impressed me at all....plus I'd put Gardiner and Rielly back together. I would give Brennan a trial and bench franson till he gets his head out of his ass.

Are you referring to this 27 year old season for Kostka?:
2012-13 Toronto Marlies AHL 34 6 28 34 38 7?
Brennan was doing that last year...
2012-13 Rochester Americans AHL 36 14 21 35 57 -4

This year he's even better.
2013-14 Toronto Marlies AHL 48 20 31 51 72 -5

A 30 goal pace from an ahl d-man is pretty impressive if you ask me. 24 years old......
- mykokes

Still not answering my question I see.

Who would Brennan play over?

He's doing that in the NHL because he's getting top minutes and top PP minutes.

Something he would never get in the NHL.




So. Who does he play over?

You're dreaming if you think he'd be an offensive stud in the NHL.

Franson hasn't impressed me at all....plus I'd put Gardiner and Rielly back together.
- mykokes

You havent answered the question..

Still not answering my question I see.

Who would Brennan play over?

He's doing that in the NHL because he's getting top minutes and top PP minutes.

Something he would never get in the NHL.




So. Who does he play over?
- jbold

I'd bench franson and insert Brennan. Give Brennan his token 2 games, if he shows something great, if not then back to the AHL with him or trade him to some team who thinks he's worth trying out for longer.

You havent answered the question..
- jbold

I actually did when I saw the question.

I think thats a great reason to have as many as you can. Increase the chances of finding a gem or 2 on top of the Kulemins, Komarovs, Reimers, Gunnarsons you draft later.
- senstroll

I would never want to see an asset walk for nothing, so in many circumstances trading for picks is great. I guess I just get a little tired of hearing suggestions of trading players that help this team progress for a couple of picks and a prospect. Someone suggested earlier (albeit an obvious troll attempt) that we should have traded Kessel last season for a pick and a prospect instead of re-signing.

Still not answering my question I see.

Who would Brennan play over?

He's doing that in the NHL because he's getting top minutes and top PP minutes.

Something he would never get in the NHL.




So. Who does he play over?

You're dreaming if you think he'd be an offensive stud in the NHL.
- jbold

depends what happens this summer. He can come in as a 7th guy instead of Ranger, and fill in for injuries. If Franson wants too much, he can take his role. poop, Franson's role is exactly what Brennan's would be.

I'd bench franson and insert Brennan. Give Brennan his token 2 games, if he shows something great, if not then back to the AHL with him or trade him to some team who thinks he's worth trying out for longer.
- mykokes

So your idea of "Giving him a shot" is 2 games?

Great. Well, if thats the case, no need. We've already seen what he can do ecause he's already played 40 games in the NHL.


Seriously, you're going to argue about how the Leafs should give him a shot and bring up guys like Krug, and than say something like "Give him 2 games"?

Still not answering my question I see.

Who would Brennan play over?

He's doing that in the NHL because he's getting top minutes and top PP minutes.

Something he would never get in the NHL.




So. Who does he play over?

You're dreaming if you think he'd be an offensive stud in the NHL.
- jbold

Who said I think he'd be? I'm just willing to check him out. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Lineups change throughtout the season for most organizations.....I actually see guys go on waivers all the time from other organizations because of these changes. Why must we stay stagnant?

Still not answering my question I see.

Who would Brennan play over?

He's doing that in the NHL because he's getting top minutes and top PP minutes.

Something he would never get in the NHL.




So. Who does he play over?

You're dreaming if you think he'd be an offensive stud in the NHL.
- jbold

Right now there is no room, I would like to see Franson traded before he gets that inflated contract, Brennan can fill in just fine with Franson PP minutes, oh and he can skate a whole lot better than #4, the only thing he can't do is hit like him.

You can pair him with Gleason and put Gardiner and Reilly back together, just winging it. Point is to reward him for his play with the Marlies, you never know, it might just becoming all together for him as a player.

depends what happens this summer. He can come in as a 7th guy instead of Ranger, and fill in for injuries. If Franson wants too much, he can take his role. poop, Franson's role is exactly what Brennan's would be.
- Feeling Glucky?

And what if Nonis trades Franson for a stay at home Dman. than what?

Exactly like I said, a 7th dman who would slot in the bottom pairing.


He wouldnt get the minutes or PP time he needs to be productive.

So your idea of "Giving him a shot" is 2 games?

Great. Well, if thats the case, no need. We've already seen what he can do ecause he's already played 40 games in the NHL.


Seriously, you're going to argue about how the Leafs should give him a shot and bring up guys like Krug, and than say something like "Give him 2 games"?


- jbold

Well if he shows signs of doing well, then the trial goes longer. And there's nothing I hate more than that stupid emoticon, so please, don't toss one of those at me again.

Right now there is no room, I would like to see Franson traded before he gets that inflated contract, Brennan can fill in just fine with Franson PP minutes, oh and he can skate a whole lot better than #4, the only thing he can't do is hit like him.

You can pair him with Gleason and put Gardiner and Reilly back together, just winging it. Point is to reward him for his play with the Marlies, you never know, it might just becoming all together for him as a player.
- LeafMan

Instead of trading Franson and inserting another offensive Dman that we dont need, we should trade Franson for a stay at home Dman.

We dont need another offensive Dman who struggles in his own end.

So your idea of "Giving him a shot" is 2 games?

Great. Well, if thats the case, no need. We've already seen what he can do ecause he's already played 40 games in the NHL.


Seriously, you're going to argue about how the Leafs should give him a shot and bring up guys like Krug, and than say something like "Give him 2 games"?


- jbold

And those 40 games were with two other organizations......why would we base our analysis on that?

Well if he shows signs of doing well, then the trial goes longer. And there's nothing I hate more than that stupid emoticon, so please, don't toss one of those at me again.
- mykokes

2 games. Wow. This entire conversation is stopping because you're arguing about giving him a shot and than say 2 games. And if he doesnt show signs of great play, than send him back down...


You know how many guys in the NHL, wouldnt be in the NHL, if their team gave them only "2 games" to show them what they got?



Boychuk wouldnt be in the NHL right now if the Bruins thought like that.


Conversation=over

Instead of trading Franson and inserting another offensive Dman that we dont need, we should trade Franson for a stay at home Dman.

We dont need another offensive Dman who struggles in his own end.
- jbold

See I'm of the opinion its not the struggles in our own end that kills us, its a lack of speed and mobility that does the trick. Whether its a fourth line of muckers who can't play worth a damn, or a flat-footed Franson/Ranger/Fraser at even strength....thats what kills us. Gleason isn't the answer just because he's a stay at home d-man, he's the answer because he can skate as well as play defense.