- As_I_See_It

you watching ping pong?

yes.. he has.

his words (or close to them) were women will NEVER play in the NHL because they will never be able to compete with men... so in other words.. because they're women
- Dozzer

I guess yeah, he basically did. You could call it sexist sure. Or you could call it realistic. Personally, I think a little realism has become so uncommon these days that people automatically attach an 'ism' to it because they think they should.

I guess yeah, he basically did. You could call it sexist sure. Or you could call it realistic. Personally, I think a little realism has become so uncommon these days that people automatically attach an 'ism' to it because they think they should.
- sanfordnson

realism has no place in this argument

I guess yeah, he basically did. You could call it sexist sure. Or you could call it realistic. Personally, I think a little realism has become so uncommon these days that people automatically attach an 'ism' to it because they think they should.
- sanfordnson

for the most yes.. it is realistic.. but to make a hard and fast rule is a bit too much

thats my issue

for the most yes.. it is realistic.. but to make a hard and fast rule is a bit too much

thats my issue
- Dozzer

Well, if we can mine asteroids then women should have no issue playing in the NHL.

yes.. he has.

his words (or close to them) were women will NEVER play in the NHL because they will never be able to compete with men... so in other words.. because they're women
- Dozzer

Even you have to admit that the odds of a woman/women playing in the NHL with regularity are EXTREMELY LONG.

Gender and physical attributes aside, just think of everything that would need to fall into place for women to play in the league.

In the end, would the League, BOG and NHLPA be unified on the issue? I highly doubt it.

Well, if we can mine asteroids then women should have no issue playing in the NHL.
- sanfordnson

If she had big boobs.. Would they ban hitting to the chest?

for the most yes.. it is realistic.. but to make a hard and fast rule is a bit too much

thats my issue
- Dozzer

Just getting here. Missed most of what happened, but I'm on your side

I do agree though. I find it really closed-minded and short sited to use the term "never."
the difference on how someone comes off using "never" or "highly unlikely" in this case is actually astounding. Like seeming realistic to sexist with one switch of phrasing

If she had big boobs.. Would they ban hitting to the chest?
- CanadianBodmon

Aye carumba!

If she had big boobs.. Would they ban hitting to the chest?
- CanadianBodmon

Hell no. Equality is equality.

Lets not even go down this path, good god.
- daeth

I was just genuinely curious. Not enticing any debates on that front.

Just getting here. Missed most of what happened, but I'm on your side

I do agree though. I find it really closed-minded and short sited to use the term "never."
the difference on how someone comes off using "never" or "highly unlikely" in this case is actually astounding. Like seeming realistic to sexist with one switch of phrasing
- UsernameUnknown

I agree. I highly doubt it'll ever happen (unless we become an a sexual species no longer needing 2 genders). There's a small chance though.

Her genetic make up wouldn't be of an ordinary woman though.

I've just been pushing peoples buttons here. It works too easily.

I agree. I highly doubt it'll ever happen (unless we become an a sexual species no longer needing 2 genders). There's a small chance though.

Her genetic make up wouldn't be of an ordinary woman though.

I've just been pushing peoples buttons here. It works too easily.
- CanadianBodmon

for the most yes.. it is realistic.. but to make a hard and fast rule is a bit too much

thats my issue
- Dozzer

No Dozzer.


It's the moral equivalent of thinking whites are superior to blacks, and blacks should not be allowed in major league baseball.

Your words, not mine.

We're going to have to rent a lot of barns.

Colin has a blog up

perhaps i am bumhole for letting everyone know

but its up all the same
- Dozzer

Not a bumhole at all!

Just getting here. Missed most of what happened, but I'm on your side

I do agree though. I find it really closed-minded and short sited to use the term "never."
the difference on how someone comes off using "never" or "highly unlikely" in this case is actually astounding. Like seeming realistic to sexist with one switch of phrasing
- UsernameUnknown

That's (frank)in' hilarious, because labeling people as "chauvinistic" and "sexist" because their opinion differs from yours isn't "short-sited" and "closed-minded" at all?

There are numerous reasons why women don't play in the NHL and gender only scrapes the surface of the entire matter.

Sorry, I just don't see women joining the NHL in the foreseeable future.

I agree. I highly doubt it'll ever happen (unless we become an a sexual species no longer needing 2 genders). There's a small chance though.

Her genetic make up wouldn't be of an ordinary woman though.

I've just been pushing peoples buttons here. It works too easily.
- CanadianBodmon

I don't think it's very likely either. But it's not impossible.
Pushing buttons is always fun though. Good on ya.

That's (frank)in' hilarious, because labeling people as "chauvinistic" and "sexist" because their opinion differs from yours isn't "short-sited" and "closed-minded" at all?

There are numerous reasons why women don't play in the NHL and gender only scrapes the surface of the entire matter.

Sorry, I just don't see women joining the NHL in the foreseeable future.
- As_I_See_It

It has nothing to do with what your view is. It's how you portray it. Being short sighted is saying there is zero chance of a woman playing in the NHL ever, no questions asked, no doubt about it, strictly impossible. It's not definitive nor is it impossible. And saying it that way is, in fact, short sighted.

I don't see it happening either, but saying it's completely impossible was Dozzers isssue, and mine as well.

No Dozzer.


It's the moral equivalent of thinking whites are superior to blacks, and blacks should not be allowed in major league baseball.

Your words, not mine.
- Atomic Wedgie

sigh.. really taking that one to heart huh?

fine.. you think its an impossibility.. and you dont consider it sexist to believe that nor that there is anything particularly wrong with that opinion..

i dont agree.

i believe that making a judgement solely based on a person's race creed or sex is wrong. and making a barrier of what that person can do based on said race creed or sex is even worse.

there is no amount of critical thinking or logic that you could present to make me feel otherwise. wrong is wrong.. and to watch someone try and justify it disgusts me.

I am sorry if my natural reaction to this offended you Wedge. However I have not changed my mind on how hanis and rigid I find your opinion to be.

also.. for you to be claiming innocence after insinuating that I am on drugs etc is a little bit absurd.

I would never tell someone they couldnt do something.. I would be clear about the obstacles and hurdles that would need to be cleared.. but I would never ever ever believe fully that what something, which some consider impossible, cannot be achieved.

human history is filled with people who achieved what everyone around them thought to be impossible. never under-estimate a human is something I have come to believe firmly in.

So again, my apologies for offending you but I cannot apologize for how I feel about this particular topic.

Taken from a leafsnation site

"His talent, production and potential should allow Nonis to package a D-man (Franson) with, say Orr or McLaren for a high pick or two.

Problem is Nonis & Co. seem to be too in love with all the guys they have, most of whom were acquired by Brian Burke."

Even you have to admit that the odds of a woman/women playing in the NHL with regularity are EXTREMELY LONG.

Gender and physical attributes aside, just think of everything that would need to fall into place for women to play in the league.

In the end, would the League, BOG and NHLPA be unified on the issue? I highly doubt it.
- As_I_See_It

I get the argument with no women skaters... it's a combination of opportunity and genetics.

But goalie? There are tall women out there... and goalies aren't exactly the most bulked-up of athletes. I think the only barrier keeping women out of the net in the NHL is the junior/college/highschool system.

Women are genetically, on average, significantly smaller. There is hard data to back that up. They are also born, due to genetics, with something like (can't remember the actual number) 25% less muscle. That can be backed up too. Those two facts together make it highly unlikely you'll ever see a woman play in the NHL. Just like you'll likely never see a woman with the fastest 100m dash, the fastest 50m freestyle swim, or any athletic endeavour where muscle and size are an advantage. In other words, almost all of them.

There is hard data to back those things up. Every single statement I made.
- prock

There's also hard data that shows certain races are better at different things than others. And that's OK.

What's not ok is saying that because of the average, we cut out any possibility of individual achievements.

Sure, the average woman is smaller than the average man, with less muscle than the average man. But I've met women over six feet, and a friend of mine could pick me up clear off the ground when I was at my heaviest.

Athletes at the highest level are, by definition, above average.

There's also hard data that shows certain races are better at different things than others. And that's OK.

What's not ok is saying that because of the average, we cut out any possibility of individual achievements.

Sure, the average woman is smaller than the average man, with less muscle than the average man. But I've met women over six feet, and a friend of mine could pick me up clear off the ground when I was at my heaviest.

Athletes at the highest level are, by definition, above average.
- Feeling Glucky?

Bang on.

For example, I'm pretty sure that Serena Williams at her peak could beat many of the guys on tour. Likely not the top end ones, but enough to make it a relevant statistic...

there are large women as well burn.

i equate this attitude to people who would say blacks were inferior to whites and they could never play in the same baseball league because yadda yadda yadda.

white morons considered a player like jackie robinson to be inferior

this is no different.
- Dozzer

This is bullpoop friend and not even close to the same. Simply a knee jerk reaction to placate people. There will not be a female in the NHL in our time barring a genetically altered super freak, Hayley Wickenheiser the best female of all time (arguably) flunked out in the Mestis League which is the second tier of the Finnish Elite league, a league that has 3 NHL players to its credit...EVER, in 60 years of existence and each guy was out of that league and in the SM-liiga by 21...she was 30, it's a poop tier...and she was cut after 10 games there after playing marginally (1g 4p in 12 games) in the third tier league of Finland. She dominated at 27 against 15-20 year olds...in the AJHL, which includes the infamous ass kicking she laid on Dane Phaneuf, this is a league that produces one NHLer every...er, decade? Colborne...Olsen...?

Evolution might catch up, it's highly probable, but for the foreseeable future there is simply no way it happens...unlike black sportsmen who...well for one happened to be men to begin with and already on an equal playing field in that regard other than inherent racism and fear of letting them show up white athletes and force equality.

You're trivializing one of the greatest breakthroughs in civil rights for a sensationalist zinger.