There has been much debate on this board if Q is the reason this team is winning, if he gets the credit or if the players get the credit. I am on the fence in that debate. Your response sounds like it is more than Q, so that is why I made the statement I did. Am I generalizing to say you think the next coach will have similar success as Q?
- powerenforcer

IF the next coach is a good quality coach (not a given by any means) who can execute the plan;

IF the players going forward are quality players who can play well within the plan;

IF the team has similar success:

THEN the credit will go to (a) FO, who got the right coach (again) and the right players (again), (b) the Coach, who executed the plan, and (c) the players who carried out the plan.

What is so complicated?

No, a monkey could not coach this team to a Cup. No, Q is not the only coach who could have success with this team. No, these players are not the only players who could carry out the plan.

BUT: Q is A coach who executed the plan, and should be given due credit.

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- Ogilthorpe2

They spelled it wrong in the title, but close enough.

IF the next coach is a good quality coach (not a given by any means) who can execute the plan;

IF the players going forward are quality players who can play well within the plan;

IF the team has similar success:

THEN the credit will go to (a) FO, who got the right coach (again) and the right players (again), (b) the Coach, who executed the plan, and (c) the players who carried out the plan.

What is so complicated?

No, a monkey could not coach this team to a Cup. No, Q is not the only coach who could have success with this team. No, these players are not the only players who could carry out the plan.

BUT: Q is A coach who executed the plan, and should be given due credit.
- StLBravesFan

Nothing complicated there, well said. I'm not really sure what PE is getting at here; he's being too general and needs to be more specific.

Poking around Bleacher Report I found an article on the 5 Flyers that should be traded. #2 is Brayden Schenn. They say Philly would want a King's ransom, but this seems like a decent low cap cost move (875k and RFA after this season). According to the article, Philly has too many natural centers ( http://bleacherreport.com...-at-trade-deadline/page/5 ) which would omit Pirri as part of a return IMO.

Would some of the Hawks Rockford fodder (prospects) be enough to fetch a Brayden Schenn? Per capgeek, Hawks have 212k in cap space and Philly has a shade over 2.9.

Trying to offer some NHL discussion

Poking around Bleacher Report I found an article on the 5 Flyers that should be traded. #2 is Brayden Schenn. They say Philly would want a King's ransom, but this seems like a decent low cap cost move (875k and RFA after this season). According to the article, Philly has too many natural centers ( http://bleacherreport.com...-at-trade-deadline/page/5 ) which would omit Pirri as part of a return IMO.

Would some of the Hawks Rockford fodder (prospects) be enough to fetch a Brayden Schenn? Per capgeek, Hawks have 212k in cap space and Philly has a shade over 2.9.

Trying to offer some NHL discussion
- ikeane

You're probably pissing into the wind until the league begins again in two weeks.

2-0 Canada. Goals by Doughty and Weber. It's interesting to see that it's the defense scoring.

Poking around Bleacher Report I found an article on the 5 Flyers that should be traded. #2 is Brayden Schenn. They say Philly would want a King's ransom, but this seems like a decent low cap cost move (875k and RFA after this season). According to the article, Philly has too many natural centers ( http://bleacherreport.com...-at-trade-deadline/page/5 ) which would omit Pirri as part of a return IMO.

Would some of the Hawks Rockford fodder (prospects) be enough to fetch a Brayden Schenn? Per capgeek, Hawks have 212k in cap space and Philly has a shade over 2.9.

Trying to offer some NHL discussion
- ikeane

Well I suppose, if this was feasible, then the Hawks would likely have to include a d-man. Flyers need defensive help far more than offensive help. More than likely, that would be Leddy. And presumable the Flyers would want to offload some of their extra crap on the Hawks. Guys like Rosehill, Gervais, Gill, etc.

So you'd probably be setting up a trade centred around Leddy (plus minor players, prospects, picks, player rights, etc.) for Schenn (plus).

Then you worry about another RFA negotiation in the offseason, if the trade worked out, which I'm not sure would be great unless Schenn did indeed factor in long term.

I mean, it'd be an interesting possibility, but probably unlikely. I'm sure Holmgren's general incompetence would make him far overvalue Schenn's worth, so it'd be a moot point anyway.

Toews is amazing at hockey.

PROSPECT BLOG COMING TOMORROW AM

Toews is amazing at hockey.
- rollpards19

He's a pretty solid young man

PROSPECT BLOG COMING TOMORROW AM
- John Jaeckel

Will it be depressing?

Will it be depressing?
- StLBravesFan

I think there will be a blurb from Elbows...all our prospects are crap!

Carter with the hat-trick.

And Perry gets a penalty shot stopped.

PROSPECT BLOG COMING TOMORROW AM
- John Jaeckel

Look forward to it. Thanks JJ

I think there will be a blurb from Elbows...all our prospects are crap!



- DarthKane

Trading pieces DK. Sheesh, get it right. Though, at this point the consensus among posters is that the two prospects we have seen this year, Pirri and Morin, are crap.

Not that I'd do that trade, but....

I wonder if Kesler would dive less if he moves away from the Canucks?
- prd797

My bet is he wouldn't. The Hawks have a solid leadership group that would quietly express their displeasure. The guy is a damn good player when he sticks to playing the game. 5 games in a Hawk uniform and the fans would love him.

Will it be depressing?
- StLBravesFan

Depends on whether you have bought into the hype or not.

Yeah don't worry those are reserved for the real season: the playoffs I know my ideas look dumb after winning 2 Cups, but I would take the 2010 forwards over the 2013 forwards any day. Those guys could play any style. I miss having those forwards that just wear you down with skill and grit. The 2013 team proved they won't be pushed around, too but I'm not saying trade any of the core. They got us 2 Cups. But TT could go for the right return
- tomcat24

No worries! After a couple early exits in the playoffs I had one foot on your trade Kane bandwagon thinking we needed exactly that; more of the skill/grit mix.

Don't know what TT will turn into but would like to see him in a Hawk sweater. Whether as C or W he sounds like he projects as the only guy in our system that projects as top 6 talent (other than Saad who's already with the big club).

No worries! After a couple early exits in the playoffs I had one foot on your trade Kane bandwagon thinking we needed exactly that; more of the skill/grit mix.

Don't know what TT will turn into but would like to see him in a Hawk sweater. Whether as C or W he sounds like he projects as the only guy in our system that projects as top 6 talent (other than Saad who's already with the big club).
- HawkintheD

That is my main cooncern with trading TT. But hopeflly we could bring back a top 6 guy in a trade. Of course it is a different game now. It is more about depth and rolling 4 solid lines. I'm not saying trade a bunch of skill guys, just 1. But I'm fine either way I think he could be a very good player

Today's Team Canada game story...

Canada crushes Austria 6-0. Patrick Sharp doesn't dress: My Fox Chicago:http://bit.ly/1fmYRHe

On Twitter@AlCimaglia

Today's Team Canada game story...

Canada crushes Austria 6-0. Patrick Sharp doesn't dress: My Fox Chicago:http://bit.ly/1fmYRHe

On Twitter@AlCimaglia
- Al

Nice work Al and you can only beat the teams on your schedule but Canada beating Austria would return $2.10 on a $2 bet. #MONSTER #YAWN.

That is my main cooncern with trading TT. But hopeflly we could bring back a top 6 guy in a trade. Of course it is a different game now. It is more about depth and rolling 4 solid lines. I'm not saying trade a bunch of skill guys, just 1. But I'm fine either way I think he could be a very good player
- tomcat24

Half of us want him here today, running 2C between Kane and Saad.

Half of us want him gone.

Half of us are ambivalent.

He's 19 - 5'11" and 165 lbs. (if the stats can be believed).

Jets give him a year, another 20 pounds of strength and see what we have.

Right now, just about the only top-6 replacement in the system.

Half of us want him here today, running 2C between Kane and Saad.

Half of us want him gone.

Half of us are ambivalent.

He's 19 - 5'11" and 165 lbs. (if the stats can be believed).

Jets give him a year, another 20 pounds of strength and see what we have.

Right now, just about the only top-6 replacement in the system.
- StLBravesFan

Here's where I'm with on TT. I think he has the talent to be a top 6 player but not this year and probably not next year either. That being said sure I want to hold on to him BUT if the Hawks were offered a player or two that could give them a better shot at winning the Cup this year or next year I make the deal. We all can agree or disagree on what the return would have to be to deal him but for me I want to see the Hawks win this years Cup first and Ill worry about the 2015-2016 Hawk team later.

Half of us want him here today, running 2C between Kane and Saad.

Half of us want him gone.

Half of us are ambivalent.

He's 19 - 5'11" and 165 lbs. (if the stats can be believed).

Jets give him a year, another 20 pounds of strength and see what we have.

Right now, just about the only top-6 replacement in the system.
- StLBravesFan

99% of all prospects are risks, there were lots of people who didn't believe in Kane when he was drafted either. The same comments people are making about Teravainen were made about Kane. TT is in now way a lock to stick in the NHL, but up until now he's done everything you could ask of him, except be 6'4" and 220 lbs.

If trading TT makes the team better then Stan should do it. But there is potential value in keeping him too. You could have a guy with top 6 talent for a reasonable cap hit for 3-5 years before he's in line for a monster deal.

Half of us want him here today, running 2C between Kane and Saad.

Half of us want him gone.

Half of us are ambivalent.

He's 19 - 5'11" and 165 lbs. (if the stats can be believed).

Jets give him a year, another 20 pounds of strength and see what we have.

Right now, just about the only top-6 replacement in the system.
- StLBravesFan

I'm down with all 3 halves. I can go with any of those. I wouldn't mind waiting since I think he will become pretty good and look good with Saad and Kane, but if we were offered a young player or 2 that can help now AND in the future I would do it Buffalo could give a nice package. I really like Bjugstad or Ryan O'Reilly. Not saying those would be the trades, though. Those types of players. Lars Eller, too and not 1-for-1 deals, either