So close.

And Jhawk busts up the all Ogi and Elbows page

So close.
- Elbows15

So close indeed.

I'm out. Good night John Boy.

So close indeed.

I'm out. Good night John Boy.
- Ogilthorpe2

Me too. Good night Ogi.

I hear TG and Pirri were in contention for a spot on the 2 man luge team.
- Ogilthorpe2

More along the line of Pirri luging and lunging to move somewhere fast.

Of course he is not particularly fast. Undetermined how fast Stan Bow fingers turn the phone pages. No undermining yet but could there be subterfusion forthcoming. Hmm

No whispers of such but who knows?

Eller is definitely a player I like. I always like bigger deals. What happened to Tinordi? I haven't seen that many Habs games this year. He looked solid last year. I think he is in the minors now. He was a guy I liked when JJ mentioed that huge rumor last year
- tomcat24

I have heard that Montreal has prospects close to ready - the old close to ready cliche. That is why it was not so hard to move a serviceable Diaz for a fourth line forward who is bigger than the smallish collection of forwards Bergevin grumbles about.

Teravainen will be the next Krivokrasov!
- DarthKane

Krivo already has beat TT. Huh? Yes, one more letter in the last name.

Now you are seeing the method to my madness. Seriously though. He is exactly the type of player Kane needs. A big player who skates well, drives the net and does the work along the walls.
- Elbows15

Not that I'd do that trade, but....

I wonder if Kesler would dive less if he moves away from the Canucks?

Just heard Patrick Sharp is a healthy scratch for the next game in favor of Matt Duchene.

Just heard Patrick Sharp is a healthy scratch for the next game in favor of Matt Duchene.
- jhawk159

Good news, especially after hearing that Zetterberg is out and won't be ready when the Ogi Games are over.

Good news, especially after hearing that Zetterberg is out and won't be ready when the Ogi Games are over.
- mohel

And the fact that Datsyuk is battling injuries doesn't make it too great for the Wangs right now.

With Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Saad in the top 6 mix, we don't need another top $ star, just a serviceable, defensively responsible 2C...preferably one with some size. Playing with Kane might improve Eller's consistency.
- Ogilthorpe2

If the model is Detroit, where in the system - other than maybe TT - is the potential top-6 replacement for anyone in the current core?

I have a thought about the Pirri situation, and maybe it deserves some discussion. I believe a team needs to have good prospects more than it needs players to fit a system. It is easier to change coaches than players, as we all know. The issue here is Stan may like some prospects and knows that they are NHL caliber players, but Q has his system and will use players who fit the system. We all know that one day Q will be replaces (coaches always outlive their jobs), so Stan will need to have players that can be ready to play for a new coach. There is a delicate balance, need to look at the now, but also need to plan for the future. Maybe Stan looks at Pirri and says he needs to keep him here. We do not know his thoughts.

I guess in summary, my question is - are players who fit a system more important than all around NHL caliber players?

Definitely a bust. But he did score some huge OT goals against the Avs.
- tomcat24

Loved Krivo vs the Avs...couple huge o/t goals...one was a SNIPE i can't find anywhere on YT.

Just heard Patrick Sharp is a healthy scratch for the next game in favor of Matt Duchene.
- jhawk159

That's fine. They should rest Toews and Keith too.

If the model is Detroit, where in the system - other than maybe TT - is the potential top-6 replacement for anyone in the current core?
- StLBravesFan

No need to replace all of them in the near future except Hossa and Sharp though. Datsyuk is 10 years older than Toews and Kane, Zetterberg eight years. Detroit is a bad model.

And if anyone is intrested TT scored yesterday his sixth of the year. He has now 6+32=38 points in 41 games. That makes him 11th best in points while most of the players ahead of him has played about ten games more than TT.

I have a thought about the Pirri situation, and maybe it deserves some discussion. I believe a team needs to have good prospects more than it needs players to fit a system. It is easier to change coaches than players, as we all know. The issue here is Stan may like some prospects and knows that they are NHL caliber players, but Q has his system and will use players who fit the system. We all know that one day Q will be replaces (coaches always outlive their jobs), so Stan will need to have players that can be ready to play for a new coach. There is a delicate balance, need to look at the now, but also need to plan for the future. Maybe Stan looks at Pirri and says he needs to keep him here. We do not know his thoughts.

I guess in summary, my question is - are players who fit a system more important than all around NHL caliber players?
- powerenforcer

The Hawks whole organization wants to employ the style they are currently using. It is the Hawks system, not Q's system. Why would you draft and develop players who don't fit the system your organization has decided to run?

The Hawks whole organization wants to employ the style they are currently using. It is the Hawks system, not Q's system. Why would you draft and develop players who don't fit the system your organization has decided to run?
- mohel

Interesting, then if Q is fired tomorrow and a monkey is brought in to coach, you are saying the same results would happen? So Q should not get credit for wins, Rocky/Scotty/Stan/John/Jay/ should? I think I understand what you are saying, but you are just a bit to general with that comment.

No need to replace all of them in the near future except Hossa and Sharp though. Datsyuk is 10 years older than Toews and Kane, Zetterberg eight years. Detroit is a bad model.

And if anyone is intrested TT scored yesterday his sixth of the year. He has now 6+32=38 points in 41 games. That makes him 11th best in points while most of the players ahead of him has played about ten games more than TT.
- MjulQvist

Don't think Detroit is a bad model: made the play-offs for 20+ straight years, in the mix for a Cup for most of those years, won 4 Cups - question is, how do the Hawks approach the same level?

Hopefully, yes, Kane, Toews, others are around for another 10 years, but still: there is apparently no one in the system - other than your fellow countryman - who can step in and become part of the core.

Interesting, then if Q is fired tomorrow and a monkey is brought in to coach, you are saying the same results would happen? So Q should not get credit for wins, Rocky/Scotty/Stan/John/Jay/ should? I think I understand what you are saying, but you are just a bit to general with that comment.
- powerenforcer

They are all responsible for the success: the FO for determining the "Hawk System" and supplying the right coach and players to play it, Q for making sure the system is implemented and focused on, the players for actually carrying out the system.

Isn't that the way a sports franchise is supposed to work - lay out the plan, get the right coach to execute the plan, get the right players that the right coach can work with?

Just heard Patrick Sharp is a healthy scratch for the next game in favor of Matt Duchene.
- jhawk159

Keep him healthy !!

Don't think Detroit is a bad model: made the play-offs for 20+ straight years, in the mix for a Cup for most of those years, won 4 Cups - question is, how do the Hawks approach the same level?

Hopefully, yes, Kane, Toews, others are around for another 10 years, but still: there is apparently no one in the system - other than your fellow countryman - who can step in and become part of the core.
- StLBravesFan

Time is different now. Yes Detroit was doing well and was great model for any organisation - before the cap era. But every team is paying attention in drafting these days. And we don´t know what is going to happen in 10 years. I say Hawks are in good shape now in many different ways. Of course there is always things that you can do better and that should be the goal.

Interesting, then if Q is fired tomorrow and a monkey is brought in to coach, you are saying the same results would happen? So Q should not get credit for wins, Rocky/Scotty/Stan/John/Jay/ should? I think I understand what you are saying, but you are just a bit to general with that comment.
- powerenforcer

You're a real piece of work.... Could you point out where I suggested Q should get no credit? The whole organization is pulling in one direction, including all the people you mentioned. They don't draft guys for Q's system - they draft guys for the Hawks' system. They happen to be the same system. When Q leaves, they will look for another coach who they feel can coach the type of game they want. They're not going to get a goon-style coach and then trade all their players to match that style. Is that specific enough for you?

You're a real piece of work.... Could you point out where I suggested Q should get no credit? The whole organization is pulling in one direction, including all the people you mentioned. They don't draft guys for Q's system - they draft guys for the Hawks' system. They happen to be the same system. When Q leaves, they will look for another coach who they feel can coach the type of game they want. They're not going to get a goon-style coach and then trade all their players to match that style. Is that specific enough for you?
- mohel

There has been much debate on this board if Q is the reason this team is winning, if he gets the credit or if the players get the credit. I am on the fence in that debate. Your response sounds like it is more than Q, so that is why I made the statement I did. Am I generalizing to say you think the next coach will have similar success as Q?

There has been much debate on this board if Q is the reason this team is winning, if he gets the credit or if the players get the credit. I am on the fence in that debate. Your response sounds like it is more than Q, so that is why I made the statement I did. Am I generalizing to say you think the next coach will have similar success as Q?
- powerenforcer

Yes you are generalizing. Will Q leave next season or ten years from now?