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Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
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Feb 8 @ 1:12 PM ET
Regarding #2, according to corsi, Gus is 4th in terms of offensive quality of competition faced behind Coburn, Grossman, and kimmo.
- fecondo



He's ranked 5th among Flyers D in Corsi-Rel (the team can expect to give up 3-4 more shot events against per 60 when he's on vs when he's off)... and that's in sheltered minutes.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
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Feb 8 @ 1:13 PM ET
it's not like gusty just does nothing on the ice he must contribute something to help with those stats
- 2Real



You were making it sound as if he were solely responsible for the difference... I'm saying there's no way you could know that just from that one number.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:13 PM ET
He's ranked 5th among Flyers D in Corsi-Rel (the team can expect to give up 3-4 more shot events against per 60 when he's on vs when he's off)... and that's in sheltered minutes.
- Tomahawk

yea but that stat doesn't mean much i mean they could just be harmless shots
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:14 PM ET
You were making it sound as if he were solely responsible for the difference... I'm saying there's no way you could know that just from that one number.
- Tomahawk

gusty is on the ice mason's GAA is lower than without him fact
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:15 PM ET
oh simmonds
Tomahawk
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Feb 8 @ 1:15 PM ET
gusty is on the ice mason's GAA is lower than without him fact
- 2Real



Um, no.

http://www.behindthenet.c...+1+3+5+29+30+31+32+33+34#
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
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Feb 8 @ 1:17 PM ET
yea but that stat doesn't mean much i mean they could just be harmless shots
- 2Real



His Corsi-Rel of the competition he's facing is ranked 7th among the D... only Hal Gill has gotten more favorable matchups.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:17 PM ET
Um, no.

http://www.behindthenet.c...+1+3+5+29+30+31+32+33+34#

- Tomahawk

uh yes Mason with GA20 with: 0.449 Mason GA20 without 0.878
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:17 PM ET
Anybody else see the Flames goalie try to sell a call?

They never really call the unsportsmanlike or embellishment penalties enough.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:17 PM ET
I think I am already over the Olympic break .

2 week break in the season right as the playoff drive is starting, cool story.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:18 PM ET
His Corsi-Rel of the competition he's facing is ranked 7th among the D... only Hal Gill has gotten more favorable matchups.
- Tomahawk

really? comparing gusty to some pylon on the bench
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:18 PM ET
That could be the case, but it doesn't mean Gus is solely responsible for that. Correlation does not equal causation, especially in a tiny sample size, and when there could be a thousand other variables that go into GA/60 than the play of one guy.
- Tomahawk


Well said. And on another note. I don't like Gustafsson being scratched.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Feb 8 @ 1:18 PM ET
He's ranked 5th among Flyers D in Corsi-Rel (the team can expect to give up 3-4 more shot events against per 60 when he's on vs when he's off)... and that's in sheltered minutes.
- Tomahawk

getting 20 mins a night is sheltered minutes? Damn that's a lot of sheltered minutes in a game...

He gets scratched , maybe they're trying to give Mezzy some game time before the Olympics?

Or maybe berube just has a thing against small, good puck handling and skating Dmen.
fecondo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wading in the velvet sea, PA
Joined: 03.16.2008

Feb 8 @ 1:19 PM ET
His Corsi-Rel of the competition he's facing is ranked 7th among the D... only Hal Gill has gotten more favorable matchups.
- Tomahawk

And that's where advanced stats get a bit messy. If you go by his corsi hart qoc, Gus is ranked 1st in overall quality of opponents faced.
Tomahawk
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Feb 8 @ 1:20 PM ET
uh yes Mason with GA20 with: 0.449 Mason GA20 without 0.878
- 2Real



Sorry, thought you said SV%. Anyway, the .951SV% of Flyers' goalies when Gus is on the ice is the main contributor to the GAA improvement when he's out there.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:21 PM ET
Mason GA20 with Mezzy: 0.824 GA20 without 0.802
Tomahawk
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Feb 8 @ 1:21 PM ET
getting 20 mins a night is sheltered minutes? Damn that's a lot of sheltered minutes in a game...
- Yosimar89



He's mostly facing 3rd/4th-line quality guys for that 20-mins. Whereas Kimmo and Coburn are head-to-head versus the best the other team has to offer for their 20+ mins.

That's why it's important to consider quality of competition when looking at every other number.
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Feb 8 @ 1:22 PM ET
Well in 4 pages, i've already seen the word Corsi to last me a lifetime and i already had enough of it.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:23 PM ET
Anybody else see the Flames goalie try to sell a call?

They never really call the unsportsmanlike or embellishment penalties enough.

- Pixote Andolini


Yeah, that was kind of silly. Really surprised it wasn't mentioned on the broadcast.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:23 PM ET
Damn Raffl and Streit make power moves.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:23 PM ET
Well in 4 pages, i've already seen the word Corsi to last me a lifetime and i already had enough of it.
- Yosimar89



Amen brother.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Feb 8 @ 1:23 PM ET
Just got back from a biostats review...missed the first 10 minutes.

How'd they look?
Yosimar89
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Las Vegas, NV
Joined: 05.11.2010

Feb 8 @ 1:24 PM ET
He's mostly facing 3rd/4th-line quality guys for that 20-mins. Whereas Kimmo and Coburn are head-to-head versus the best the other team has to offer for their 20+ mins.

That's why it's important to consider quality of competition when looking at every other number.

- Tomahawk

Schenn getting 15/16 minutes a night early in the season is getting sheltered. When you're playing nearly 20 minutes a night i don't know how you can say someone is getting sheltered even if he isn't facing the other team's top line, but that's just my opinion.
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:25 PM ET
Just got back from a biostats review...missed the first 10 minutes.

How'd they look?

- Giroux_Is_God


Calgary's gunna make em work for it. Looks like they just me up to the task.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 8 @ 1:25 PM ET
Schenn getting 15/16 minutes a night early in the season is getting sheltered. When you're playing nearly 20 minutes a night i don't know how you can say someone is getting sheltered even if he isn't facing the other team's top line, but that's just my opinion.
- Yosimar89

if gusty is getting more minutes he has more chances to get exposed but oh well the stats don't lie he's not getting exposed
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