I thought you had to speak both English and French to work in Quebec.
- Oilhab

Just French. But some French people in Quebec would be offended if they went anywhere else in Canada and were not given service in French

You guys didn't get it
- mr.peanut

it was glorious

You guys didn't get it
- mr.peanut

Patient in french.

Patience ... well.. not so ...

it was glorious
- DJL

You clearly don't get it

it was glorious
- DJL

Ty

holy (frank)...
- WaterBoy

Looks like Quebec is going to have to start encouraging Import Doctors to Learn french instead of english, so they can work in Quebec.

How foolish of them to choose English as their first "second" Language to learn.

What is the solution for acquiring more doctors if imports are not good enough, and english speaking doctors are not good enough?
- Oilhab

Mr Peanut, MD.

are those bosses not Ex. physicians who have climbed the union ladder and now have retired from active duty and have been given the cushy office job by the hospital.

They may not be in the union now, but their wages are based on what they acquired when in the union.

Unions are not the sole problem, but they are a part of the problem.
- Oilhab

In the Healthcare system in Québec? No the unions are not the problem. But in many other spheres they have too much power, I agree. Such power is not needed nowadays to keep the rights of the workers. What we don't know though, is how much is needed, and what could replace those unions. It would have to still be powerful but much less than the current state of the unions.

In the Healthcare system in Québec? No the unions are not the problem. But in many other spheres they have too much power, I agree. Such power is not needed nowadays to keep the rights of the workers. What we don't know though, is how much is needed, and what could replace those unions. It would have to still be powerful but much less than the current state of the unions.
- Jean_Perron

Why do you think the Quebec Unions are not a problem, when they are in other places?

Looks like Quebec is going to have to start encouraging Import Doctors to Learn french instead of english, so they can work in Quebec.

How foolish of them to choose English as their first "second" Language to learn.
- Oilhab

Most of the import doctors in Québec already know French when they come in. A lot of import doctors in Québec are from Morocco/Liban/other francophone countries.

Mr Peanut, MD.
- golfingsince

Nice, I hope his first surgery is to remove the stick from the Waterboys ass.

Why do you think the Quebec Unions are not a problem, when they are in other places?
- Oilhab

I don't get your question.

Most of the import doctors in Québec already know French when they come in. A lot of import doctors in the MTL area are from Morocco/Liban/other francophone countries.
- Jean_Perron

Which still isn't good enough, so looking beyond that might have to be a solution.

And if the patient can understand English, why not hire them?

I don't get your question.
- Jean_Perron

Why do you think that the Quebec Unions are not a problem?

Which still isn't good enough, so looking beyond that might have to be a solution.

And if the patient can understand English, why not hire them?
- Oilhab

As you said earlier, they have trouble getting Docs in the ROC too. That wouldn't solve the problem. They have to improve the situation of Doctors in Québec (whether it is by paying them more or improving their work experience) to bring more Doctors in Québec/ actually keep the Docs that are trained in Québec.

Why do you think that the Quebec Unions are not a problem?
- Oilhab

I said that the Unions when it comes to the Health Care service are not a problem. If anything, Nurses should be paid MUCH more for the job they do right now. They have a lot of pressure, and too much job to be done. They are heavy lifters in the community.

I agreed with you that the Québec Unions have too much power and that it is a problem. I don't know of any solution/never read any propositions from anyone to solve that while keeping the rights of the workers at the same level. I can't think of any example where they destroyed the unions and the workers kept their acquired rights.

As you said earlier, they have trouble getting Docs in the ROC too. That wouldn't solve the problem. They have to improve the situation of Doctors in Québec (whether it is by paying them more or improving their work experience) to bring more Doctors in Québec/ actually keep the Docs that are trained in Québec.
- Jean_Perron

Accept me as your Lord and Saviour.

So sell those assets, solve the debt, and use the savings in interest payments to pay the nurses and doctors more.

What is the solution for acquiring more doctors if imports are not good enough, and english speaking doctors are not good enough?
- Oilhab

the solution is stop going to the hospital when you have a stupid cold.

the solution is stop going to the hospital when you have a stupid cold.
- WaterBoy

Thats certainly a big problem that applies to all provinces.....

As you said earlier, they have trouble getting Docs in the ROC too. That wouldn't solve the problem. They have to improve the situation of Doctors in Québec (whether it is by paying them more or improving their work experience) to bring more Doctors in Québec/ actually keep the Docs that are trained in Québec.
- Jean_Perron

There is a shortage of doctors, but if Quebec were to open the door to hospital to hire english imports aswell, at least you would be competeing for more doctors.

You can't keep people from leaving, but you can suppliment the ones leaving with more imports.

Unless the working conditions in Quebec and the pay is drasticly different from the rest of the civilized world.

People are going to leave, Nothing short of a 20 foot concrete wall and a border patrol with a kill on sight order is going to discourage people from wanting to leave.

the solution is stop going to the hospital when you have a stupid cold.
- WaterBoy

Do you have privatized medical centers there?

So sell those assets, solve the debt, and use the savings in interest payments to pay the nurses and doctors more.
- golfingsince

I never said they should sell those assets, that would be the stupidest thing a Québec governement could ever do. I said that when the credit evaluators look at a country or at someone, they check at his assets and at his revenues. If, god forbid, Québec's debt gets to a point de non-retour, the evaluators know that the Government could sell all its assets and lower the debt in half.

Because while Québec's debt is bigger than other provinces in comparison, it increases by the same amount, and in many cases, by a smaller amount than the other provinces. That's what doesn't make the debt critical to me. Yes it's a big amount of money, but the banks are still loaning money to Québec because they know if we ever were in HUGE poop financially, we could cover up most of what is owed to them. Québec still has the best credit evaluation available(AAA), unlike many countries. It's far from a financial blackhole like some people say it is.

If the government keeps investing to create jobs, the government will eventually make more money with taxes income from both the workers and companies. It's not by letting the market do whatever the (frank) it wants (like the Liberals want to do and like they did during the Charest terms) that jobs will be created.

With the money made from those cuts/ increase in revenues, there will be plenty of money to improve many aspects of the society, not only increase salaries of Doctors/nurses.

I said that the Unions when it comes to the Health Care service are not a problem. If anything, Nurses should be paid MUCH more for the job they do right now. They have a lot of pressure, and too much job to be done. They are heavy lifters in the community.

I agreed with you that the Québec Unions have too much power and that it is a problem. I don't know of any solution/never read any propositions from anyone to solve that while keeping the rights of the workers at the same level. I can't think of any example where they destroyed the unions and the workers kept their acquired rights.
- Jean_Perron

That would be because when it gets to the point of disolving a union, the workers rights have exceeded what would be feasable for the business to survive.


In my home town there has been a union lockout that closed a Packing plant for 15 years and if they ever decide to start it back up again they would owe the Union 15 years in back fees no matter if they have been working all this time or not.

So the Union thinks they won because the company went out of business but the city has suffered for it and those ex workers complain that the city can't attract businesses ignoring the fact they are a part of that problem.

There is a shortage of doctors, but if Quebec were to open the door to hospital to hire english imports aswell, at least you would be competeing for more doctors.

You can't keep people from leaving, but you can suppliment the ones leaving with more imports.

Unless the working conditions in Quebec and the pay is drasticly different from the rest of the civilized world.

People are going to leave, Nothing short of a 20 foot concrete wall and a border patrol with a kill on sight order is going to discourage people from wanting to leave.
- Oilhab

Québec is not stopping any good candidates from coming here. Not every doctor in Québec speaks French. There are English hospitals, notably in Montréal. Some Doctors there don't speak a word of French. Those hospitals are not different from the Francophone ones, they also lack in staff.

I know you can't really stop people from leaving, but you can in counterpart encourage them to stay. Those are two very different things.