Yea for sure but he said both Larsson and Gelinas so that is what Gelly is worth plus a former 4th over all pick who might just be finally coming into his own. No doubt we have done nothing but diminish the value of these guys with all these games Lou is playing to get Salvador and the other poop trio in hell I wouldnt be the least bit surprised if we completely ended up ruining both Larsson and Gelinas all for the sake of being to Loyal to Salvador who will never be a Devils great and Harrold and Volchenkov. Back to my point though if Both Larsson Gelinas and 2nd involved in the same trade I wouldnt except anything less the Evander Kane or Bobby Ryan.
- blizzzard

Neither Kane or Ryan are going to be moved at this time.

There have been rumors that Kane may be moved as he's not totally happy in Winnipeg. Who can blame him. I try not to go to Winnipeg unless absolutely necessary. He doesn't have ano trad clause so he doesn't control his destiny. If he's moved it will be in the off season when Winnipeg can auction him off to all 29 other teams to get maximum value. Trading Kane would be a huge mistake. He's right on the cusp of becoming a superstar. He & Scheifele will be eating up defenses for the next decade.

Ryan. Has 1 more season until he's a UFA & also doesn't have a no trade clause. Ottawa will retain him till the last possible moment to try & get him signed long term. They paid a significant price to acquire him, Silverberg, Noesen & Ottawa's 1st round pick in this years draft.

Neither of these players are moving before this season's March 5th trade deadline, if at all any time soon.

Don't mean to be rude, but there's no way you get Cammy Baertschi and a 2nd for that. That is a great return, don't get me wrong, but for a top 6 player, one of our top prospects and a very high second rounder that's a little much
- Talking_hockey1

We desperately need a top NHL ready dman to speed up our rebuild. As much as we may regret moving Sven, we have Gaudreau & Porrier & even Klimchuk is putting up huge numbers coming soon. Brodie & Russell are looking great & are young, we need a seasoned NHL ready dman that has huge upside & you have to pay to get something like that. I get where you are coming from, no offense taken.

Sven has odles of upside, he could actually turn into your Kovalchuk light. My concern is Burke has been giving him the Kadri treatment. That concerns me. But we do have Porrier & Gaudreau coming with huge offensive upside as well, thus making Sven available but we have to get something you dont want to give up back. Cammi & Sven could inject instant offense for the Devils, I would eat some of Cammi salary so the Devils can still have cap space to add for a playoff run if need be but I would want that flip of our 2nd versus getting an earlier 1st. I dont see the Devils being that bad next year just because Scneider is an awesome goalie in itself & will be the bonafide #1 (I see a huge ar for h next year) & the difference between our 2nd & your 1st may not be that significant.
- Kevin R

Yea I get that its just those two might be our most promising and if not they certainly hold the most value out of all our pieces. If that trade where made and Gelinas turns into a #2 guy and Baertchi doesnt progress here then that trade is a disaster for us and I would rather move a guy who is a little further away since we are already scraping whatevers left of Sal and Volchenkov out of them instead of playing Gelinas and Larsson. I think All three of Merril Larsson and Gelinas stay here and Lou looks more to moving a guy like Santini or Severson because we really need to stop playing Sal and Volchenkov. If we move Gelinas or Merril we would either keep playing Sal and the gang for whats already been more then we should of to wait for the younger guys to be ready. There is just to much to like about Gelinas right now and who knows this might be the best he ever gets but right now no one knows that so I want absolute max value out of this kid if we are even thinking about moving him.

We desperately need a top NHL ready dman to speed up our rebuild. As much as we may regret moving Sven, we have Gaudreau & Porrier & even Klimchuk is putting up huge numbers coming soon. Brodie & Russell are looking great & are young, we need a seasoned NHL ready dman that has huge upside & you have to pay to get something like that. I get where you are coming from, no offense taken.
- Kevin R

I understand that but Cammy is worth a pick and a prospect. If its a better prospect its most likely a second round pick. You throw Baertschi in there and it's going to cost a good prospect and a first round pick. We're giving up a top 6 player and one of our best prospects. Throwing in another pick from us is overkill. I see where you are coming from as well, but dealing from a point of desperation is not the proper way to deal. Burke is smart and he's not going to go throwing draft picks out there just to get a deal done.

Neither Kane or Ryan are going to be moved at this time.

There have been rumors that Kane may be moved as he's not totally happy in Winnipeg. Who can blame him. I try not to go to Winnipeg unless absolutely necessary. He doesn't have ano trad clause so he doesn't control his destiny. If he's moved it will be in the off season when Winnipeg can auction him off to all 29 other teams to get maximum value. Trading Kane would be a huge mistake. He's right on the cusp of becoming a superstar. He & Scheifele will be eating up defenses for the next decade.

Ryan. Has 1 more season until he's a UFA & also doesn't have a no trade clause. Ottawa will retain him till the last possible moment to try & get him signed long term. They paid a significant price to acquire him, Silverberg, Noesen & Ottawa's 1st round pick in this years draft.

Neither of these players are moving before this season's March 5th trade deadline, if at all any time soon.
- striker777

Im not saying they are I am saying that is the type of player that would HAVE to be coming back if we where moving BOTH Gelinas and Larsson along with a 2nd. Both of those guys arent getting moved either but we are discussing here so in theory that is the type of player who would need to come back if that is what NJ is offering it cant be for a Gaborik or Camillari.

Yea I get that its just those two might be our most promising and if not they certainly hold the most value out of all our pieces. If that trade where made and Gelinas turns into a #2 guy and Baertchi doesnt progress here then that trade is a disaster for us and I would rather move a guy who is a little further away since we are already scraping whatevers left of Sal and Volchenkov out of them instead of playing Gelinas and Larsson. I think All three of Merril Larsson and Gelinas stay here and Lou looks more to moving a guy like Santini or Severson because we really need to stop playing Sal and Volchenkov. If we move Gelinas or Merril we would either keep playing Sal and the gang for whats already been more then we should of to wait for the younger guys to be ready. There is just to much to like about Gelinas right now and who knows this might be the best he ever gets but right now no one knows that so I want absolute max value out of this kid if we are even thinking about moving him.
- blizzzard

Hey they are quality, thats why we want them People want to add players to their team for nothing, which is great & if you roll over enough stones, you can find the gems. Probably why we only hear about rumours & very few actual trades. Both teams must really be motivated enough & give up something either really want to give up. Those deals are rare but they are so much fun to track.

Hey they are quality, thats why we want them People want to add players to their team for nothing, which is great & if you roll over enough stones, you can find the gems. Probably why we only hear about rumours & very few actual trades. Both teams must really be motivated enough & give up something either really want to give up. Those deals are rare but they are so much fun to track.
- Kevin R

Exactly who knows with Lou especially when he gets desperate. If Lou is desperate he usually makes bad moves and then I could totally see him move Gelinas for Cami. He refuses to Move Harrold Salvador or Volchenkov cause its more efficient and better for the franchise ( in his mind ) that our young and better players play in the minors while we scrap to stay in the hunt for a play off spot.

I would rather see if we can get Heatley for nothing then give up something for of significant value for Cami. Ultimately I hope Burke starts a bidding war with a team and said team takes him before Lou starts drinking his cool aid and blows his load on a rental. Heatley isnt have a horrible year and I think he would fit perfectly on that top lw spot with Zajac and Jagr and he will be able to keep up with them he is also on the last year if it doesnt work out you dump a defenseman that we needed to and made an effort without hurting our future.
- blizzzard

Interesting. I like that option as well.

I'd take a flyer on Heatley. More than 1/2 his 7.5 has been paid, Minny might eat some $ to move him if they were willing to let him go to replace him with someone else. I don't see them paying to get Vanek when they can have him for nothing more than $ on July 1st if the rumors are true. Or maybe they would take Salvador. He would help there D now & next season & only has 1 more year at 3.16.

Minny has 5.1 mil in cap space at the deadline & 21 mil available next season with 17 players signed. No major contracts are up that need to be renewed. Niederreiter, Zucker, Fontaine & Kuemper are all RFAs. That gets you to 21, still tons of money left to sign Vanek as a UFA.

Minny could bid for a player like Moulson or Cammy for the run to replace Heatley.

Heatley's lake of speed wouldn't be an issue in NJ. There game isn't built on speed. Heatley can't keep up to the play with all those young speedsters in Minny.

Salvador for Heatley straight up? Minny doesn't eat any $ but takes Salvador next season at 3.1. Actually makes sense for both teams if Minny is willing to let Heatley go. Salvador moving gets Gelinas back into the line up.

Im not saying they are I am saying that is the type of player that would HAVE to be coming back if we where moving BOTH Gelinas and Larsson along with a 2nd. Both of those guys arent getting moved either but we are discussing here so in theory that is the type of player who would need to come back if that is what NJ is offering it cant be for a Gaborik or Camillari.
- blizzzard

Agreed.

Interesting. I like that option as well.

I'd take a flyer on Heatley. More than 1/2 his 7.5 has been paid, Minny might eat some $ to move him if they were willing to let him go to replace him with someone else. I don't see them paying to get Vanek when they can have him for nothing more than $ on July 1st if the rumors are true. Or maybe they would take Salvador. He would help there D now & next season & only has 1 more year at 3.16.

Minny has 5.1 mil in cap space at the deadline & 21 mil available next season with 17 players signed. No major contracts are up that need to be renewed. Niederreiter, Zucker, Fontaine & Kuemper are all RFAs. That gets you to 21, still tons of money left to sign Vanek as a UFA.

Minny could bid for a player like Moulson or Cammy for the run to replace Heatley.

Heatley's lake of speed wouldn't be an issue in NJ. There game isn't built on speed. Heatley can't keep up to the play with all those young speedsters in Minny.

Salvador for Heatley straight up? Minny doesn't eat any $ but takes Salvador next season at 3.1. Actually makes sense for both teams if Minny is willing to let Heatley go. Salvador moving gets Gelinas back into the line up.
- striker777

All those Juicy chances Zajac cant finish will be taken by Heatley who still can shoot and Zajac and Jagr and cycle and set up.

Dude, Gelinas and a 2015 first? I might just do it.
- whipper334

you hitting the bottle early today?

All those Juicy chances Zajac cant finish will be taken by Heatley who still can shoot and Zajac and Jagr and cycle and set up.
- blizzzard

Sold. Totally agree.

Heatley's hands haven't failed him fully yet, just his heart which has a direct bairing on his legs desire to move. Just not an issue in NJ. Few players here skate faster, Ha-ha! As crazy as that sounds I think he would fit in well here for the playoff run & you simply let him walk come seasons end. Getting Salvador off the books would be worth it.

Lou would probably give Gelinas + for Mike. Then I'd die and be forced to become an Islanders fan.

Lou would probably give Gelinas + for Mike. Then I'd die and be forced to become an Islanders fan.
- Twist

That is exactly what I am afraid of He just will not part with our worst player Bryce. So he will part with a young guy.

Will Cammi help? Absolutely, how could he not? But at the price the Flames will be asking he probably isn't worth it especially for are average team. Do you really want to see Lou trade Santini and Matteau for a guy who could only play 20 games and get us into the playoffs only to be swept out of the first round? I'd rather not and hope that the young guys pan out in the future.

Interesting. I like that option as well.

I'd take a flyer on Heatley. More than 1/2 his 7.5 has been paid, Minny might eat some $ to move him if they were willing to let him go to replace him with someone else. I don't see them paying to get Vanek when they can have him for nothing more than $ on July 1st if the rumors are true. Or maybe they would take Salvador. He would help there D now & next season & only has 1 more year at 3.16.

Minny has 5.1 mil in cap space at the deadline & 21 mil available next season with 17 players signed. No major contracts are up that need to be renewed. Niederreiter, Zucker, Fontaine & Kuemper are all RFAs. That gets you to 21, still tons of money left to sign Vanek as a UFA.

Minny could bid for a player like Moulson or Cammy for the run to replace Heatley.

Heatley's lake of speed wouldn't be an issue in NJ. There game isn't built on speed. Heatley can't keep up to the play with all those young speedsters in Minny.

Salvador for Heatley straight up? Minny doesn't eat any $ but takes Salvador next season at 3.1. Actually makes sense for both teams if Minny is willing to let Heatley go. Salvador moving gets Gelinas back into the line up.
- striker777

lol ANYTHING in exchange for Salvador is a win! I'd love this move.

Not that I want to see him traded, but how would you guys feel about a NHL native, John Gaudreau. For whatever reason a lot of our fans (not me) fear he won't sign in CGY. The kid is an offensive juggernaut but small. Would you do Cammi, Gaudreau and our 3rd for Severson and your 2015 1st and maybe some kind of useful, salary dump roster player. We'll need RW for our top 9 next year.

I prefer Gelinas to Baertischi or Cammy.

His production on the PP has been nothing short of amazing. I believe I read some where he leads the league in power play points to power play time played. These types of assets don't grow on tree's. He may struggle defensively but he will learn & if he can maintain his points someone else can cover for him. Byfuglien is a train wreck defensively but a well sought after commodity, that would cost a fortune to acquire even with his warts.
- striker777

Yeah, you read that from me.

Every single offer I've seen has been a lowball lol, you gotta give to get

Either way the Devils shouldn't trade for him, or anyone with an expiring contract because I don't think they are a single piece away from winning the cup

I still support Erat for a 5th if Washington eats 1/2 the cap hit.

That said I like the Salvador for Heatley option better.

If Lou can't find anything that keeps the existing roster intact & doesn't touch the main prospect group of Gleinas, Merrill, Larsson, Matteau, Boucher or Pietila. I would prefer he scrape the bargain bin.

With those 3 young Dman coming you could potentially move Santini or Severson but not for a rental ideally.

I'm not sold on Black or Johnson as yet. That's not much prospect depth so you need more than a rental to sacrifice any of them. As mentioned repeatedly the core of NJ isn't young. With the exception of Jagr, Zidlicky & Brodeur the core of this team is in place for next season.

I hope they can get Jagr resigned but Jagr's all about the money. Whoever pays him the most he signs with & waits to get moved to a cup contender at the trade deadline if that team is out of it.

No way Lou cuts Jagr at the deadline. NJ is in the thick of it & I belief they make it.

Will Cammi help? Absolutely, how could he not? But at the price the Flames will be asking he probably isn't worth it especially for are average team. Do you really want to see Lou trade Santini and Matteau for a guy who could only play 20 games and get us into the playoffs only to be swept out of the first round? I'd rather not and hope that the young guys pan out in the future.
- NickA

Agreed.

Yeah, you read that from me.
- Todd.Cordell

Thank you Todd. That was very insightful. I love that kind of data. Nice work.

Every single offer I've seen has been a lowball lol, you gotta give to get

Either way the Devils shouldn't trade for him, or anyone with an expiring contract because I don't think they are a single piece away from winning the cup
- Danformo

agreed

Todd.

I assume that the retained portion of Vanek's contract stays with Buffalo, 1.3 mil even if NYI moves him. That means Vanek isn't be moved as a 7.5 million dollar player but a 5.3 million player by NYI correct?

Todd.

I assume that the retained portion of Vanek's contract stays with Buffalo, 1.3 mil even if NYI moves him. That means Vanek isn't be moved as a 7.5 million dollar player but a 5.3 million player by NYI correct?
- striker777

pardon me. 5.7 not 5.3