Fine, I'll agree to disagree. But in the grand scheme of things, I still think it was a badly calculated risk that Snow most likely had to know was not going to have the happy ending he had hoped for.
- MnGump

come july 1, we will have all the information necessary.

Whoa....verbatim
Great minds.
- hugefemale dog77

*fist bump*

Yeah, if we flip picks, we don't get anything close to Umberger or Johansen.

What we likely get is Columbus picking Murray 1st anyway.
- Morris

Maybe Umberger as his production was starting to drop-off, but no chance on Johansen.

Well, you said Yakupov Wouldn't it make some sense for it to be Yakupov for Galchenyuk's sake?
- MaximumBone

If the deal were to include Yak as the centrepiece then the return would be different -
MTL 1st - Bourque but I digress - you know what Im saying

EDIT: and no I wasnt serious about Bourque

The worst thing about the Oilers rebuild is that there wasn't hockeybuzz in the early 2000s when Chicago/Pittsburgh/Washington/LA were rebuilding, most of the posters have turned over since St Louis was rebuilding, and Colorado is not a Canadian team.

It's a slow, painful build that looks atrocious next to many other slightly less slow, slightly less painful builds
- Morris

But we are made up with a lot of French Canadians?
But I agree with you, no one over analyzed the Avs rebuild, it didnt get the mainstream media, maybe the select few of us on hockeybuzz, they werent even that relevant in Denver when you have the Broncos, Nuggets, or Rockies to jump ship to.

Moulson and your 2nd rounder back for Toffoli?
- JVince11

The expendable:
Muffin, Fraser, Mitchell, Nolan, Lewis, Stoll, Clifford, Frattin

Players that should be involved in a trade but possibly safe:
Richards, Voynov, Williams, Brown

highly safe players (but lightening does strike):
Dough boy, Kopi, Toffoli, Carter, King, Quick, Jones,


I wasn't able to classify Regher, Greene, Marty, but I think they are pretty safe.


1. We have to dump salary in this trade, so that's why there is a maybe list.

2. I would love to get rid of Richards, I consider him expendable but I agree with the guy that said Carter would slump harder if his buddy was traded...

3. I am not feeling that picks are a big factor. Kings need help now, not later.

Can an Edmonton fan break it down this way in a realistic fashion? maybe we can break the deal before EK

Yeah, if we flip picks, we don't get anything close to Umberger or Johansen.

What we likely get is Columbus picking Murray 1st anyway.
- Morris

Ownership needs to step into the management situation in Edmonton and take the keys away from the current drivers. The only thing we know for certain is that they have screwed up every time they have had a chance to do something.

A tandem of goalies with an .870 sv% is not the time to panic and sign a guy who's played reasonably well for us on a 1-year deal?
- Morris

With all those picks and assets, shouldn't the future of the goaltending position look a lot brighter than the choice between a tandem of goalies with an .870SV% and a single year or what looked like a panic signing?

Hall for Richards and a 3rd

Yea... can always use more scoring on the top line.

Not easy to find a top 3 left winger on the market... that's why it was worth the risk.

Not alot on the FA market next year.

Brock Nelson or Strome may take the spot on JT's line.

Maybe his buddy Moulson comes back.
- jimmc7722

I get you guys wanted a scorer for JT, makes sense. But if Nelson or Strome are good enough or potentially good enough to play next to JT, then I come back to ask why the need for Vanek in the first place? To me you guys were more than just Vanek away from a serious run, yet you make an "all in" type of trade for someone who doesn't even fill your most glaring need(s) AND leave yourself with less options to go make a trade later to actually fill your needs.

I get that you will get assets back for Vanek, but I'm willing to bet damn near anything it won't be a top 5 pick.

And if Moulson comes back to fill your need for JT's linemate, then was there really a need to trade him away. Sure Vanek is an upgrade over Moulson, but if he is your 1st line solution then wasn't he a possible solution in the first place?

I would prefer having a right-handed 2-way center if I'm building a team. EDM may be very soft down the middle by the time Hall, Yaks, and Eberle are in their prime. Or, you know, panic and sign Bryzgalov.
- Johnny Wrath

Im just guessing, but if they woulda taken seguin; it'd look alot different right now.

Seguin

Larsson (maybe coulda added a 2nd if someone was desperate for nuge. I really dont think landeskog had that superstar pedigree that the oilers were/are so desperate for. They wouldnt have picked him)

Yakupov

I really think this is how it woulda went.

Ill take hall and nuge over seguin and larsson without a doubt.
Seguin is amazing, but he's much more cerebral than hall. U think hsll's kamikaze and play driving abilities are more vital to our squad. Especially now with the top 6 we have.

If the deal were to include Yak as the centrepiece then the return would be different -
MTL 1st - Bourque but I digress - you know what Im saying

EDIT: and no I wasnt serious about Bourque
- MTL1

Phew! I saw red when I read Bourque If I may ask, why such a significant drop-off from Eberle to Yakupov? Yak is a 1st overall and has played with Galchenyuk before. I understand that Eberle has proven more, but Yak's upside is a fair deal higher than Eberle's.

it most likely will be more than just a 1st...

...no offense im not sure how much i believe the Kyle Palmieri offer to be true, but how has he been this season? whats your assessment?
- LetsGoIsles

He's been OK, not great. Kyle REALLY likes playing on the east coast though. He's had his best games there. That's what the Ducks are offering I've heard. It will be a low first rounder if he doesn't sign but it's more than what the Isle's have now.

vanek is a much more marketable name to pending UFAs and fans than brock nelson.

but again, your argument further explains why the trade was, while risky, a good risk to take...lets see what comes back in the deal.
- LetsGoIsles

Snow shouldn't be making trades to appease fans. He should be making trades to field a winning team on the ice which will go the furthest to appease fans.

The expendable:
Muffin, Fraser, Mitchell, Nolan, Lewis, Stoll, Clifford, Frattin

Players that should be involved in a trade but possibly safe:
Richards, Voynov, Williams, Brown

highly safe players (but lightening does strike):
Dough boy, Kopi, Toffoli, Carter, King, Quick, Jones,


I wasn't able to classify Regher, Greene, Marty, but I think they are pretty safe.


1. We have to dump salary in this trade, so that's why there is a maybe list.

2. I would love to get rid of Richards, I consider him expendable but I agree with the guy that said Carter would slump harder if his buddy was traded...

3. I am not feeling that picks are a big factor. Kings need help now, not later.

Can an Edmonton fan break it down this way in a realistic fashion? maybe we can break the deal before EK


- MikeOxbyg

Actually LAK can take on 2.5M at the deadline and Moulson's prorated salary is 2.75M.. so adding Toffoli's 750K salary into this deal makes it approved.

The expendable:
Muffin, Fraser, Mitchell, Nolan, Lewis, Stoll, Clifford, Frattin

Players that should be involved in a trade but possibly safe:
Richards, Voynov, Williams, Brown

highly safe players (but lightening does strike):
Dough boy, Kopi, Toffoli, Carter, King, Quick, Jones,


I wasn't able to classify Regher, Greene, Marty, but I think they are pretty safe.


1. We have to dump salary in this trade, so that's why there is a maybe list.

2. I would love to get rid of Richards, I consider him expendable but I agree with the guy that said Carter would slump harder if his buddy was traded...

3. I am not feeling that picks are a big factor. Kings need help now, not later.

Can an Edmonton fan break it down this way in a realistic fashion? maybe we can break the deal before EK


- MikeOxbyg

Jones may be moved in the future if he continues on this path due to Quicks long term commitment

come july 1, we will have all the information necessary.
- LetsGoIsles

I'm certain you're right, but if your insinuating that he might actually come back to a team that just offered him a $50 million contract in which he turned down.... might be time to take the tinfoil hat off.

The only guys from LA that I would want are Richards or Voynov (excluding near untouchables like Doughty, Kopi, Quick)... Maybe Muzzin, but I wouldn't expect to give a ton up for him.

Snow shouldn't be making trades to appease fans. He should be making trades to field a winning team on the ice which will go the furthest to appease fans.
- uf1910

obviously...

vanek > brock nelson.

this is why it isnt a disaster...

moulson sucks and will not get the same return that vanek will. having said that, the isles knew moulson wasnt going to resign for the amount they would pay OR they just didnt want to resign him.

so they traded away him and 1st and 2nd...1st round pick will hopefully be this years pick in one of the worst draft classes.

they traded for vanek who is a top 20 player in the league; everyone knows the isles have a hard time signing big time names but they DO have experience winning players over so garth took the risk and tried winning him over..so far, it doesnt look pretty. (lets not forget, although its a long shot, vanek can STILL resign come july 1)

being that vanek is a better player than moulson, id say that all garth has to do is get back the equivalent of a 1st round pick and he is back to where he was before the trade...all said and told, it was a risk that didnt work out, disaster??? thats a bit much.
- LetsGoIsles

This is being bitter.

Reports from the TSN guys is there are double digit teams interested in Moulson.

Vanek turing down offer from both Buffalo and now NYI really hurst his value.

Looks like the Isles will draft 3rd or 4th overall.

Gotta keep the pick this year.

Plus the first rounder for Vanek... the Isles will be fine this year @ the draft.

I'm cetain you're right, but if your insinuating that he might actually come back to a team that just offered him a $50 million contract in which he turned down.... might be time to take the tinfoil hat off.
- MnGump

but i look so damn good in it!!!

not what im saying...it is a long shot and i get that...but im also not certain as some here that the Wild are a shoo-in. crazier things have happened.

my point was the book will be closed on the vanek story come july 1...wild. islanders. mets. who knows??

With all those picks and assets, shouldn't the future of the goaltending position look a lot brighter than the choice between a tandem of goalies with an .870SV% and a single year or what looked like a panic signing?
- Johnny Wrath

Aside from the haters, i dont think anyone saw this coming from dubnyk.
He was so much better last year.
Very solid numbers behind even more shots and on paper what was probably an even worse defence.

His start this year was just horrific and sunk us.
To try and give him another year was far from crazy. Especially considering the assets we didnt have to give up for another question mark goalie.

Snd just for argument sake; mact made an offer for schneider last summer.
And just dealt for brossoit

[quote=uf1910]I get you guys wanted a scorer for JT, makes sense. But if Nelson or Strome are good enough or potentially good enough to play next to JT, then I come back to ask why the need for Vanek in the first place? To me you guys were more than just Vanek away from a serious run, yet you make an "all in" type of trade for someone who doesn't even fill your most glaring need(s) AND leave yourself with less options to go make a trade later to actually fill your needs.

I get that you will get assets back for Vanek, but I'm willing to bet damn near anything it won't be a top 5 pick.

And if Moulson comes back to fill your need for JT's linemate, then was there really a need to trade him away. Sure Vanek is an upgrade over Moulson, but if he is your 1st line solution then wasn't he a possible solution in the first

You make a good point. Snows thinking must have been he convinced Nabokov and Visnovski to stay he could do the same with Vanek. Sometimes you have to take a risk

This is being bitter.

Reports from the TSN guys is there are double digit teams interested in Moulson.

Vanek turing down offer from both Buffalo and now NYI really hurst his value.
- ImThatGuy

true, bitterness ive had in my mouth since last year...but yes bitter nonetheless. i just see moulson as a 1 trick pony. no ways around it. he WILL be overpaid both contractually and for the return the sabres get for him at the deadline.