Oh, yes please
- MaximumBone

The concept is correct - but would have to be Eberle instead of Yak

islanders traded to the sabres one of 1st round picks over the next 2 seasons.
- LetsGoIsles

.... okay I get your point then... they won't be "picking"..


But I still don't get what you guys are gonna do... If I remember right you gave up your 2nd in this years draft.. and gave us your 2nd in next years draft...

so either you have no pick until the 3rd RD this year or next year.. Even if you guys do finish at 4-9th in standings.. I am not convinced that Garth doesn't send us that pick any way because he wants to make sure he has a pick next year before the 3rd.

At one point... there was talk that Buffalo was gonna trade Vanek to MIN for Healtey+ and then turn around and trade Heatley for another pick... much like we are probably gonna do with Moulson.. so maybe you guys do that now and then have all of the Olympics ot shop Heatley...?


BUF really wants to resign Moulson and Moulson has said how much he likes playing for Nolan.. I would say right now it is at about a 35% chance that we resign him.
- JVince11

if its for 6 million and 5 years, ill tell you what i said when streit signed with the flyers, it would be a huge mistake.

I guess Snow came on board after they drafted DiPietro?

What a disaster that Moulson/Vanek trade is turning out to be for them. It's only funny because 95% of us saw it coming.
- 1979AD

I know that it's good sport to Islander bash but why don't we hold off on the disaster talk until we see what Snow gets back for Vanek, eh?

Thus far i think thats reasonably fair. At least considering klowe/tambs.
But at that point it was only year 2 and 3 of the rebuild. Tough to call it a failure at that point!!

And
Hall was the right choice.(winger)
Nuge is a center
And yaks still might be the right choice --murray wouldnt be changing the fortunes of this team right now

Mact hasnt been in charge for even a year yet. And acquired two solid pieces in gordon and perron.

Ima give him some time before i make any judgements
- hugefemale dog77

Hall and RNH were right. Yaks was wrong.

If selecting first overall that year, the correct pick was Yakapov. But the Oilers should have flipped that pick to Columbus to be able to draft Murray and get an additional asset instead (which could have been a 2nd line winger with size). At the time a guy like Umberger fills that role nicely. Or even may have been able to pull Ryan Johanson out of them then. Columbus had just traded away Nash and were looking to get their new offensive centerpiece. The role that Yakapov should be playing on the Oilers was already filled by Hall and Eberle.

No Murray may not be changing things right now, but they would be significantly further ahead to having a top defenceman to come into their line up. He's currently playing top 4 minutes as a rookie, and remember he was hurt last season which may have slowed his development by a year. But that wasn't known when he was drafted so that doesn't change the pick at the time.

Imagine next season if you had Murray and Nurse stepping in?

this is why it isnt a disaster...

moulson sucks and will not get the same return that vanek will. having said that, the isles knew moulson wasnt going to resign for the amount they would pay OR they just didnt want to resign him.

so they traded away him and 1st and 2nd...1st round pick will hopefully be this years pick in one of the worst draft classes.

they traded for vanek who is a top 20 player in the league; everyone knows the isles have a hard time signing big time names but they DO have experience winning players over so garth took the risk and tried winning him over..so far, it doesnt look pretty. (lets not forget, although its a long shot, vanek can STILL resign come july 1)

being that vanek is a better player than moulson, id say that all garth has to do is get back the equivalent of a 1st round pick and he is back to where he was before the trade...all said and told, it was a risk that didnt work out, disaster??? thats a bit much.
- LetsGoIsles

Garth might get more than that. I'm hearing the Ducks first and Kyle Palmieri for Vanek. The Ducks first becomes Ottawa's first if Vanek signs with the Ducks. BTW Emerson Etem was recalled yesterday. This might happen real soon. The Ducks would also like Andy MacDonald too but Garth wants more than picks for him so that's unlikely to happen.

Thus far i think thats reasonably fair. At least considering klowe/tambs.
But at that point it was only year 2 and 3 of the rebuild. Tough to call it a failure at that point!!

And
Hall was the right choice.(winger)
Nuge is a center
And yaks still might be the right choice --murray wouldnt be changing the fortunes of this team right now

Mact hasnt been in charge for even a year yet. And acquired two solid pieces in gordon and perron.

Ima give him some time before i make any judgements
- hugefemale dog77

The worst thing about the Oilers rebuild is that there wasn't hockeybuzz in the early 2000s when Chicago/Pittsburgh/Washington/LA were rebuilding, most of the posters have turned over since St Louis was rebuilding, and Colorado is not a Canadian team.

It's a slow, painful build that looks atrocious next to many other slightly less slow, slightly less painful builds

if its for 6 million and 5 years, ill tell you what i said when streit signed with the flyers, it would be a huge mistake.
- LetsGoIsles

We gotta get to the floor man.. haha

Thus far i think thats reasonably fair. At least considering klowe/tambs.
But at that point it was only year 2 and 3 of the rebuild. Tough to call it a failure at that point!!

And
Hall was the right choice.(winger)
Nuge is a center
And yaks still might be the right choice --murray wouldnt be changing the fortunes of this team right now

Mact hasnt been in charge for even a year yet. And acquired two solid pieces in gordon and perron.

Ima give him some time before i make any judgements
- hugefemale dog77

I would prefer having a right-handed 2-way center if I'm building a team. EDM may be very soft down the middle by the time Hall, Yaks, and Eberle are in their prime. Or, you know, panic and sign Bryzgalov.

The worst thing about the Oilers rebuild is that there wasn't hockeybuzz in the early 2000s when Chicago/Pittsburgh/Washington/LA were rebuilding, most of the posters have turned over since St Louis was rebuilding, and Colorado is not a Canadian team.

It's a slow, painful build that looks atrocious next to many other slightly less slow, slightly less painful builds
- Morris

SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!!???

Neutral perspective here but going to point out something. I have seen more than a few Isles fans point out that the Vanek trade was a necessary risk to get a true scorer for JT's line. Thus Snow paid a hefty price for Vanek. Well now Vanek is on his way out which leads to my point. Doesn't that leave you guys with a hole on JT's line? If you guys "needed" a scorer like Vanek to make that trade in the first place, if Vanek is no longer there don't you still "need" a scorer for JT's line?
- uf1910

Yea... can always use more scoring on the top line.

Not easy to find a top 3 left winger on the market... that's why it was worth the risk.

Not alot on the FA market next year.

Brock Nelson or Strome may take the spot on JT's line.

Maybe his buddy Moulson comes back.

The concept is correct - but would have to be Eberle instead of Yak
- MTL1

Well, you said Yakupov Wouldn't it make some sense for it to be Yakupov for Galchenyuk's sake?

LA needs to add scoring. Vanek should be of great interest to them. But, they need to move salary before they can add salary. So, a big contract has to go!

Of the big dollar contracts on the Kings, what would be the contract they most want to move?

I would prefer having a right-handed 2-way center if I'm building a team. EDM may be very soft down the middle by the time Hall, Yaks, and Eberle are in their prime. Or, you know, panic and sign Bryzgalov.
- Johnny Wrath

A tandem of goalies with an .870 sv% is not the time to panic and sign a guy who's played reasonably well for us on a 1-year deal?

Gagner, Yakupov and 2014 1st for Doughty

brock nelson is developing nicely...he may be the guy slotted into that top spot. he is no vanek but hes certainly no slouch.
- LetsGoIsles

I know you guys have prospects, and good ones at that. But it just seems to me shortsighted to pay that hefty of a price for a pending UFA in Vanek (with no guarantee he will resign) b/c he was going to help push you guys to the playoffs, then a few months later you are back at square 1 with no true top line winger for JT, no 1st round pick (and sorry to Isles fans, regardless of the draft class a top 5 pick is a very valuable asset and should be a good NHL player), and no Moulson who would have been another moveable asset at the deadline.

I guess what I'm trying to say is IF Nelson or anyone else already in the Isles system is or could possibly be a good linemate for JT, then was there really the need to make the Vanek deal in the first place?

Hall and RNH were right. Yaks was wrong.

If selecting first overall that year, the correct pick was Yakapov. But the Oilers should have flipped that pick to Columbus to be able to draft Murray and get an additional asset instead (which could have been a 2nd line winger with size). At the time a guy like Umberger fills that role nicely. Or even may have been able to pull Ryan Johanson out of them then. Columbus had just traded away Nash and were looking to get their new offensive centerpiece. The role that Yakapov should be playing on the Oilers was already filled by Hall and Eberle.

No Murray may not be changing things right now, but they would be significantly further ahead to having a top defenceman to come into their line up. He's currently playing top 4 minutes as a rookie, and remember he was hurt last season which may have slowed his development by a year. But that wasn't known when he was drafted so that doesn't change the pick at the time.

Imagine next season if you had Murray and Nurse stepping in?
- dal_johnson

How can you guarantee what they could've gotten in exchange for the pick? I mean, it's just one slot and to a team that didn't seem to have interest in grabbing Yakupov.

Garth might get more than that. I'm hearing the Ducks first and Kyle Palmieri for Vanek. The Ducks first becomes Ottawa's first if Vanek signs with the Ducks. BTW Emerson Etem was recalled yesterday. This might happen real soon. The Ducks would also like Andy MacDonald too but Garth wants more than picks for him so that's unlikely to happen.
- duxcup07

it most likely will be more than just a 1st...

...no offense im not sure how much i believe the Kyle Palmieri offer to be true, but how has he been this season? whats your assessment?

SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!!???
- JVince11

well I mean they used to be, last time they had a tank-job rebuild.

Hall and RNH were right. Yaks was wrong.

If selecting first overall that year, the correct pick was Yakapov. But the Oilers should have flipped that pick to Columbus to be able to draft Murray and get an additional asset instead (which could have been a 2nd line winger with size). At the time a guy like Umberger fills that role nicely. Or even may have been able to pull Ryan Johanson out of them then. Columbus had just traded away Nash and were looking to get their new offensive centerpiece. The role that Yakapov should be playing on the Oilers was already filled by Hall and Eberle.

No Murray may not be changing things right now, but they would be significantly further ahead to having a top defenceman to come into their line up. He's currently playing top 4 minutes as a rookie, and remember he was hurt last season which may have slowed his development by a year. But that wasn't known when he was drafted so that doesn't change the pick at the time.

Imagine next season if you had Murray and Nurse stepping in?
- dal_johnson

Mostly agreed. Id be much happier with murray at present.
But im not so sure u get an asset as valuable as u think.
2nd rounders alot of the time to move up a spot or 2.

And who's to say cbj even wanted yaks? Theyve had their issues with russian draft picks.(filatov and zherdev)

Hindisights 20/20. But mostly agreed

moulson wanted to stay...fact!!! moulson will ask for about 6 million...mark it down now, the team that pays him the 5 year 30 million deal will be pissed about the money wasted.

moulson wanted to stay; isles didnt want him...

as for the picks, they are picks in a poopty draft, they can be reclaimed once vanek is dealt and the isles who already have tons of prospects dont "need" picks right now, they need veteran experience and top talent...again, it was a risk.

as to your last comment, moulson will not get more than vanek at this point...
- LetsGoIsles

Fine, I'll agree to disagree. But in the grand scheme of things, I still think it was a badly calculated risk that Snow most likely had to know was not going to have the happy ending he had hoped for.

How can you guarantee what they could've gotten in exchange for the pick? I mean, it's just one slot and to a team that didn't seem to have interest in grabbing Yakupov.
- MaximumBone

Whoa....verbatim
Great minds.

I know you guys have prospects, and good ones at that. But it just seems to me shortsighted to pay that hefty of a price for a pending UFA in Vanek (with no guarantee he will resign) b/c he was going to help push you guys to the playoffs, then a few months later you are back at square 1 with no true top line winger for JT, no 1st round pick (and sorry to Isles fans, regardless of the draft class a top 5 pick is a very valuable asset and should be a good NHL player), and no Moulson who would have been another moveable asset at the deadline.

I guess what I'm trying to say is IF Nelson or anyone else already in the Isles system is or could possibly be a good linemate for JT, then was there really the need to make the Vanek deal in the first place?
- uf1910

vanek is a much more marketable name to pending UFAs and fans than brock nelson.

but again, your argument further explains why the trade was, while risky, a good risk to take...lets see what comes back in the deal.

How can you guarantee what they could've gotten in exchange for the pick? I mean, it's just one slot and to a team that didn't seem to have interest in grabbing Yakupov.
- MaximumBone

Yeah, if we flip picks, we don't get anything close to Umberger or Johansen.

What we likely get is Columbus picking Murray 1st anyway.

JVince11
Just get tired reading people bash the Isles all the time. There is only one successful team each year the Cup winner. It bothers me even more when the guy doing the bashing is the fan of a team that has been in the NHL for 43yrs and has never one anything. No hate just my opinion