counteroffer:

subway gets: $5

I get: a meatball sub

done deal
- PancakesPenner

counteroffer:

subway gets: $5

I get: a meatball sub

done deal
- PancakesPenner

No deal subway gets hosed on the tax money.

You are going to throw in an additional $.25 And if you wnat the meal. Then you are not even close.

No deal subway gets hosed on the tax money.

You are going to throw in an additional $.25 And if you wnat the meal. Then you are not even close.
- ImThatGuy

No deal subway gets hosed on the tax money.

You are going to throw in an additional $.25 And if you wnat the meal. Then you are not even close.
- ImThatGuy

kings get: b. schenn, meszaros,coburn and a 2nd

flyers get: m. richards and voynov
- flyers2893

You're hilarious.

I feel like moreso than stubbornness, Hall is an integral part of whatever success the Oilers have and Doughty is an integral part of the kings success.

Some teams have amazing goalies which St Lou could use, and they could use Backes, but that trade won't happen not because the GMs are ignoring the glaring need but because the need to fill the hole isn't as great as the need to keep what it'll cost.
- Morris

That argument would work for a team like St Louis because making the "wrong" deal could end up making them a worse team overall....but if you're talking abou a team like the Oilers(or Sabres) then does that really make much of a difference?...should those teams really be concerned with the risk of being the absolute worst team in the league versus the next to last worst team in the league because of a trade that ends up not working out the best?

I think when you reach that point you just have to make some deals to shake up what you have because what you have isn't working(and im not just speaking about the oilers, speaking of my team as well). Obviously you shouldn't make a trade that provides a lesser return to your team, but you can't be worried about it's future implications becase really they can only improve if your team routinely finds itself on the bottom of the standings come April.

Minus Toffoli... they will have around 2.6 million.

Plenty for Vanek.
- jimmc7722

...... lol... no there is not.... good grief.... what part of 4.9M is bigger than 2.6M is not understood here? lol

LA would have to throw someone in to even it out because NYI cannot retain any salary because Buffalo already did.

Holy (frank).....15 pages of stupid poop.....

False:

He isn't even in the top 20 in points, he doesn't back check and is an awful skater. He doesn't kill penalties and isn't a center. He is not a top 20 player. Top 50 sure but not a top 20.

Garth gave up Moulson (a 30 goal scorer in himself) granted he isn't as good as Vanek but still a good player a first round pick AND a second round pick. Vanek not resigning there pretty much makes either years pick (2014 or 2015) a top 10 pick. Hate to break it to you but without goaltending and D the Islanders are going to be bad again.

If Moulson gets traded he brings Buffalo another first plus. Vanek will get a first as well plus but you wont get back a player even close to Moulson. So Garth basically traded 2 firsts and a second for a 17-30 first round pick. Sorry it is a disaster. If Vanek would have resigned it would have been worth it but he isn't so therefore its a disaster
- Stripes77

false...even with a first round pick in the 2014 draft, said player wont be ready for a few years and he would have a good number of players to hop on the isles prospect list; point being that hindsight indicates the isles will most likely get the short end of the deal but at the time it was made, it was a calculated risk and quite frankly draft picks arent all that valuable to the isles organization at this point in their rebuild.

false...even with a first round pick in the 2014 draft, said player wont be ready for a few years and he would have a good number of players to hop on the isles prospect list; point being that hindsight indicates the isles will most likely get the short end of the deal but at the time it was made, it was a calculated risk and quite frankly draft picks arent all that valuable to the isles organization at this point in their rebuild.
- LetsGoIsles

Nah it looked pretty bad at the time it was made too.

false...even with a first round pick in the 2014 draft, said player wont be ready for a few years and he would have a good number of players to hop on the isles prospect list; point being that hindsight indicates the isles will most likely get the short end of the deal but at the time it was made, it was a calculated risk and quite frankly draft picks arent all that valuable to the isles organization at this point in their rebuild.
- LetsGoIsles

dead on. been trying to argue this point for weeks now. draft picks are WAY more valuable to buffalo than the isles....isles are already stacked with young talent ready to break through. if we are still stacking up these picks to make a run with this team, then then is a essentially a 10 year "rebuild." those picks were worth the risk. plus, we dont know what vanek wil lreturn in a trade before the trade deadline so it has yet to be determined how much of a "disaster" this is.

That argument would work for a team like St Louis because making the "wrong" deal could end up making them a worse team overall....but if you're talking abou a team like the Oilers(or Sabres) then does that really make much of a difference?...should those teams really be concerned with the risk of being the absolute worst team in the league versus the next to last worst team in the league because of a trade that ends up not working out the best?

I think when you reach that point you just have to make some deals to shake up what you have because what you have isn't working(and im not just speaking about the oilers, speaking of my team as well). Obviously you shouldn't make a trade that provides a lesser return to your team, but you can't be worried about it's future implications becase really they can only improve if your team routinely finds itself on the bottom of the standings come April.
- nikel

To paraphrase;

Tear it down, rebuild your organization and obtain some viable pieces to build around.
Trade said pieces if the rebuild stalls just for the sake of a shake up because it's not like it can get any worse?

Nah it looked pretty bad at the time it was made too.
- S Kaspar Rollins

even if vanek signed a long term deal?

Why is monahan worth more than Hall and Yakupov/Schultz??
- Morris

Doesn't matter, Monahan isn't going anywhere. He was drafted less than a year ago and we're in year one of a RB. These idiots that throw him in trade rumours are donkey's.

It's amazing how stupid some people are! Maybe Ek brings it on them...

Doesn't matter, Monahan isn't going anywhere. He was drafted less than a year ago and we're in year one of a RB. These idiots that throw him in trade rumours are donkey's.
- whipper334

It took less than a year and a half to report that Yak was going to bolt to the KHL... I almost think they were slow off the draw.

even if vanek signed a long term deal?
- LetsGoIsles

What was wrong with Moulson though? He was a 30 goal scorer with Tavares? Vanek is a 30-40 goal guy, so is the extra handful of goals really worth the 1st, 2nd and extra 2+ million in cap space it would likely cost to re-sign Vanek over Moulson?


Wouldn't you rather have the Isles trade those assets for some help on the blueline and/or even for a legit goalie?

That argument would work for a team like St Louis because making the "wrong" deal could end up making them a worse team overall....but if you're talking abou a team like the Oilers(or Sabres) then does that really make much of a difference?...should those teams really be concerned with the risk of being the absolute worst team in the league versus the next to last worst team in the league because of a trade that ends up not working out the best?

I think when you reach that point you just have to make some deals to shake up what you have because what you have isn't working(and im not just speaking about the oilers, speaking of my team as well). Obviously you shouldn't make a trade that provides a lesser return to your team, but you can't be worried about it's future implications becase really they can only improve if your team routinely finds itself on the bottom of the standings come April.
- nikel

I think my point still holds. Mine was not an argument for holding pat and not making any moves. Mine was an argument for not trading Hall. That move wouldn't make sense for reasons more than shortsightedness or stubbornness.

Not that there's any chance Hall or Doughty go on the market.

In general I agree with you, but there are better reasons to make trades then it couldn't make you any worse.

It took less than a year and a half to report that Yak was going to bolt to the KHL... I almost think they were slow off the draw.
- Morris

...... lol... no there is not.... good grief.... what part of 4.9M is bigger than 2.6M is not understood here? lol

LA would have to throw someone in to even it out because NYI cannot retain any salary because Buffalo already did.
- JVince11

How can it be 4.9 million with 20 games to play.

Did they not pay him all year?

To paraphrase;

Tear it down, rebuild your organization and obtain some viable pieces to build around.
Trade said pieces if the rebuild stalls just for the sake of a shake up because it's not like it can get any worse?


- hugefemale dog77

To paraphrse:

Do nothing to your roster because you're too afraid it will hurt your team.

Newsflash: The team is already hurt, matter of fact they've been on life support for the past for seasons...but hey let's not make any rash changes that might alter their trajectory.

What was wrong with Moulson though? He was a 30 goal scorer with Tavares? Vanek is a 30-40 goal guy, so is the extra handful of goals really worth the 1st, 2nd and extra 2+ million in cap space it would likely cost to re-sign Vanek over Moulson?


Wouldn't you rather have the Isles trade those assets for some help on the blueline and/or even for a legit goalie?
- Nucker101

moulson is a one trick pony...hes a garbage man. hes got good hands and can net a few rebounds.

vanek opens up space for JT and Okposo who REALLY has developed this season, vanek can pass, he can enter the zone, he has a shot that has to be respected and his release is light years ahead of moulson.

vanek scored more points while playing with linemates no where close to JT; with JT his production would be all the more greater.

as for the 2nd bold, sure!! goalie and dmen are more of a need that a top winger but if no one is offering a goalie/dmen then those assets arent going to get it done.

To paraphrse:

Do nothing to your roster because you're too afraid it will hurt your team.

Newsflash: The team is already hurt, matter of fact they've been on life support for the past 4 seasons...but hey let's not make any rash changes that might alter their trajectory.
- nikel

Fixed!

I think my point still holds. Mine was not an argument for holding pat and not making any moves. Mine was an argument for not trading Hall. That move wouldn't make sense for reasons more than shortsightedness or stubbornness.

Not that there's any chance Hall or Doughty go on the market.

In general I agree with you, but there are better reasons to make trades then it couldn't make you any worse.
- Morris

Ok, i'd buy that.

moulson is a one trick pony...hes a garbage man. hes got good hands and can net a few rebounds.

vanek opens up space for JT and Okposo who REALLY has developed this season, vanek can pass, he can enter the zone, he has a shot that has to be respected and his release is light years ahead of moulson.

vanek scored more points while playing with linemates no where close to JT; with JT his production would be all the more greater.

as for the 2nd bold, sure!! goalie and dmen are more of a need that a top winger but if no one is offering a goalie/dmen then those assets arent going to get it done.
- LetsGoIsles

Well now you won't have either Moulson or Vanek. Hopefully Garth can get back a 1st+ for Vanek.