The team looks burnt out physically and mentally. The twins and Kesler have played so many minutes thus far, they look to have nothing left? That's a combination of lack of depth from Mike Gillis and the management as well as the coach not balancing what players he does have….the team looks to have hit a wall.
- LeftCoaster

wow, it took over a year for Torts to burn out the Rags....

If we had secondary scoring we wouldn't have to rely on them so much. It's not a hard concept to grasp for me, a much more balanced lineup means you don't focus on the only two guys that have provided scoring for this team for as far as memory can serve me. Just look at the other players in the league with a 6 million dollar cap hits. Their scoring is only slightly a problem, or it SHOULD be, if we had secondary scoring.

Is currently Daniel struggling, yes absolutely!!
- LeftCoaster

If Henrik is injured and can't play in the Olympics. Does Daniel even dress for Sweden ? Is he the odd man out?

If we had secondary scoring we wouldn't have to rely on them so much. It's not a hard concept to grasp for me, a much more balanced lineup means you don't focus on the only two guys that have provided scoring for this team for as far as memory can serve me. Just look at the other players in the league with a 6 million dollar cap hits. Their scoring is only slightly a problem, or it SHOULD be, if we had secondary scoring.

Is currently Daniel struggling, yes absolutely!!
- LeftCoaster

Even if we had secondary scoring it would only mask their decline. As long as they continue to be paired against top pairing D (which all 1st lines must deal with) then I don't think we'll see much respite to their longer term struggles.

I mentioned this a few months back but if we're going to keep the Sedins I think we should use SJ as a model for how they've been able to "retire" Thornton-Marleau off the top line while the likes of Couture-Pavelski and co have taken over. You need a 1st line replacement of course, which is easier said than done. Still I believe the Sedins might flourish once again if they were facing, say, the Hjalmarson-Oduyas as opposed to the Keith-Seabrooks.

As we've seen here, the Canucks without a healthy Henrik are arguably a bottom 3-5 team in the West in terms of offense.
- Nucker101

Agreed. But if he gets traded I'm assuming something is coming back. Still, I was only posing the question of what people might think they're worth, not that we should absolutely trade them.

Agreed. But if he gets traded I'm assuming something is coming back. Still, I was only posing the question of what people might think they're worth, not that we should absolutely trade them.
- AlexF

I think we can get 2014 and 2015 1st from Calgary for Hank. But for Danny it might be 2014 2nd and 2015 3rd and 4th.

I think we can get 2014 and 2015 1st from Calgary for Hank. But for Danny it might be 2014 2nd and 2015 3rd and 4th.
- Linden_4_Capt

Calgary's not trading 1st rounders for the twins.

They're in rebuild mode not re-tool(c) mode.

Calgary's not trading 1st rounders for the twins.

They're in rebuild mode not re-tool(c) mode.
- Canuckleafer

They do have Burke in charge and we all know how much Burkie loves the Sedins. He flew to Sweden to sign them. PLus Burke has always been pro proven talent over picks.

They do have Burke in charge and we all know how much Burkie loves the Sedins. He flew to Sweden to sign them. PLus Burke has always been pro proven talent over picks.
- Linden_4_Capt

He's not that stupid though. When he dealt for Kessel, Kessel was really young. If Evander Kane becomes(or is) available then I could see him offering up a package that includes a 1st.


Lets be real here, whether or not particular Canucks fans hate it or love it doesn't matter, The Sedins are here for the next few years. No point in discussing these scenarios.

Even if we had secondary scoring it would only mask their decline. As long as they continue to be paired against top pairing D (which all 1st lines must deal with) then I don't think we'll see much respite to their longer term struggles.

I mentioned this a few months back but if we're going to keep the Sedins I think we should use SJ as a model for how they've been able to "retire" Thornton-Marleau off the top line while the likes of Couture-Pavelski and co have taken over. You need a 1st line replacement of course, which is easier said than done. Still I believe the Sedins might flourish once again if they were facing, say, the Hjalmarson-Oduyas as opposed to the Keith-Seabrooks.
- AlexF

I think, due to their recent drought, their decline is being vastly over-stated!! Up until ten games ago Daniel was almost tied with Patrick Marleau in scoring and Henrik (who's been injured over that time) was neck and neck with Joe Thornton.

We don't have the personnel to take over for them, which is not their fault!! The focus of change should not be with the Sedins but rather the other 20 players on the roster who're also not contributing offensively or defensively.

Burrows - struggling = 4 points
Hansen - struggling = 14 points
Kesler - struggling, tired & inconsistent yet 37 points
Kassian - sophomore year = inconsistent yet 16 points

That's our forward depth how friggin sad is that???

San Jose has:

Pavelski - 29 goals 54 pts
Couture - 35 points
Hertl - 25 points in 35 gms as a rookie
Burns - 30 point power forward
Wingels - 28 point secondary scoring

Yes he is, you'll get no argument from me with respect to them not performing. But, up until the 40 game mark he was on pace for a regular 70+ point year. It's only until recently that he's poop the bed.

For years there's been nothing behind those two in terms of scoring, I'll defend them as players until the end. Are we starting to see a decline, sure, they're 33, bound to happen. Still, if you get rid of them, we're talking last place Edmonton Oiler scenario.
- LeftCoaster

They do have Burke in charge and we all know how much Burkie loves the Sedins. He flew to Sweden to sign them. PLus Burke has always been pro proven talent over picks.
- Linden_4_Capt

I can't see it as long as they are in the running for Ekblad and McDavid.

They're a long ways out from contending.

I think, due to their recent drought, their decline is being vastly over-stated!! Up until ten games ago Daniel was almost tied with Patrick Marleau in scoring and Henrik (who's been injured over that time) was neck and neck with Joe Thornton.

We don't have the personnel to take over for them, which is not their fault!! The focus of change should not be with the Sedins but rather the other 20 players on the roster who're also not contributing offensively or defensively.

Burrows - struggling = 4 points
Hansen - struggling = 14 points
Kesler - struggling, tired & inconsistent yet 37 points
Kassian - sophomore year = inconsistent yet 16 points

That's our forward depth how friggin sad is that???

San Jose has:

Pavelski - 29 goals 54 pts
Couture - 35 points
Hertl - 25 points in 35 gms as a rookie
Burns - 30 point power forward
Wingels - 28 point secondary scoring
- LeftCoaster

I find it very depressing when people compare the Canucks to good teams.

If you guys won't take Garbage Dump Kyle Quincey then you can have either:

A) Kindl, Andersson, Mantha, and a 3rd.

or

B) Smith, Bertuzzi/Cleary, Mantha, and a 2nd.
- TwoPieceFeed

I very much doubt Bert would return to Vancouver.

Calgary's not trading 1st rounders for the twins.

They're in rebuild mode not re-tool(c) mode.
- Canuckleafer

The twins will never be traded from Vancouver unless they ask for one, which is extremely unlikely and highly improbable. People should just deal with reality when it comes to them.

He's not that stupid though. When he dealt for Kessel, Kessel was really young. If Evander Kane becomes(or is) available then I could see him offering up a package that includes a 1st.


Lets be real here, whether or not particular Canucks fans hate it or love it doesn't matter, The Sedins are here for the next few years. No point in discussing these scenarios.
- Nucker101

Exactly. And people can say what they want about the Kessel trade but Toronto fans are happy enough with the result. I play hockey with a hardcore Bruins fan - used to wear his Thanks Kessel shirt all the time - until this season.

The twins will never be traded from Vancouver unless they ask for one, which is extremely unlikely and highly improbable. People should just deal with reality when it comes to them.
- LeftCoaster

Exactly, these discussions are pointless.

Exactly. And people can say what they want about the Kessel trade but Toronto fans are happy enough with the result. I play hockey with a hardcore Bruins fan - used to wear his Thanks Kessel shirt all the time - until this season.
- Canuckleafer

I said the same when we were discussing the Evander Kane proposals here, when you apparently "overpay" for a young star player you don't really "lose" the trade.

I find it very depressing when people compare the Canucks to good teams.
- fiveandagame

Just sick of people ragging on the twins, currently deserved regarding Daniel though, when the real problem lies with the make-up of the entire forward group….serious lack of quality and depth there behind the twins. Which has been the case for many many years.

The twins will never be traded from Vancouver unless they ask for one, which is extremely unlikely and highly improbable. People should just deal with reality when it comes to them.
- LeftCoaster

Agreed. And even if they were to ask for one, it could be a tall order. They're here to stay. Along with everyone else, management needs to find a way to get them going. Some secondary help would certainly be nice as long as it doesn't gut the prospects.

Just sick of people ragging on the twins, currently deserved regarding Daniel though, when the real problem lies with the make-up of the entire forward group….serious lack of quality and depth there behind the twins. Which has been the case for many many years.
- LeftCoaster

Lefty droppin truth bombs!

Exactly, these discussions are pointless.
- Nucker101

So Sedins for Kessel Lupul and Kadri?

Just sick of people ragging on the twins, currently deserved regarding Daniel though, when the real problem lies with the make-up of the entire forward group….serious lack of quality and depth there behind the twins. Which has been the case for many many years.
- LeftCoaster

Secondary scoring has been a issue for this team for 3 years now. The twins can not be expected to carry the scoring load for this entire team. This year makes it even more difficult because Burrows has been injured and/or snake bitten this entire season and Henrik missed his first set of games in 5+ seasons. They can't find a way to get into a groove and there is nobody else there to pick up the slack.

December was a good month and the team was carried by Higgins/Kesler/Santorelli. Santorelli goes does down and now that line is finished.

Gillis has to find a way to get some balanced scoring throughout the line up. Saying that though is like beating a dead horse.

http://blogs.theprovince....-boston-and-he-cant-wait/

Wouldn't that be a compliment to the Red Wings? That the players they trade away don't amount to much and the ones they keep generally turn out well?
- GSDIV

Yes obviously... What did you think I wax saying?

After tonights game we will be one step closer to 25th place and have better odds for the lottery. Now I know why edm likes lotto pics, this is fun. Top 5 pic or bust.