I'd take Quincey for the rest of this year as a dump if it meant getting a better return.
- Nucker101

Quincey, Nyquist and a pick for Edler.

What blows my mind is that everyone except the Sedins are available for trade. My current no touch clause would be Tanev Kassian COrrado Kesler Lack.I would strongly consider Sestito and Lain also seeing we need to be bigger younger.

This team has soft leadership. I forget who said it in the last blog but be real ,are the Sedins Torts type players?

I think Kesler would be one hell of a player if he was playing with a winger like Simmonds or Kane. This team has little forechecking and very soft on the puck . Oh yeah they are getting very old too.

Torts said it best this team is slow.

Daniel is turning out quick lye to being the next Gomez , Heatly deal.
- VANTEL

I honestly think the twins burned out already from waaaaaay too many minutes. They've simple played too much, they can't sustain that, which has been widely said throughout the media/ex-NHL players.

Even if the Sedins were traded, they'd insist on being traded as a pair which would severely limit the teams able to take on $14m in cap.

I'm sure some teams would clear room, but I'd be genuinely curious to see if any teams have made offers this season for the Sedins and what those offers were. It's tough to gauge their valuation.
- AlexF

This....

Trading the Sedins would have proven to be quite difficult. Maybe if Burke was still in Toronto they could have pulled it off but otherwise, very few teams would be willing to make that deal.

If you guys won't take Garbage Dump Kyle Quincey then you can have either:

A) Kindl, Andersson, Mantha, and a 3rd.

or

B) Smith, Bertuzzi/Cleary, Mantha, and a 2nd.
- TwoPieceFeed

So you're offering garbage dump Cleary instead?

The rumored DET offer over the summer was either Smith, Tatar, Sheehan or Smith, Tatar, Nyquist (depending on who you talk to). Both look better than the deals you've offered. I already stated many times that if it was the 2nd of these two Gillis should be tarred and feathered for not accepting.

Even if the Sedins were traded, they'd insist on being traded as a pair which would severely limit the teams able to take on $14m in cap.

I'm sure some teams would clear room, but I'd be genuinely curious to see if any teams have made offers this season for the Sedins and what those offers were. It's tough to gauge their valuation.
- AlexF

They're 1 & 2 in scoring for the Nucks, clearly they're not the problem. Who's the last team to trade their best two players, age 33, when things are going south?

The Cap hit is not an issue, as the Cap continues to rise we should be in good shape regarding the forwards, too much money spent on the defence though.

So you're offering garbage dump Cleary instead?

The rumored DET offer over the summer was either Smith, Tatar, Sheehan or Smith, Tatar, Nyquist (depending on who you talk to). Both look better than the deals you've offered. I already stated many times that if it was the 2nd of these two Gillis should be tarred and feathered for not accepting.
- AlexF

Yeah, that 2nd deal looks decent for sure.

This....

Trading the Sedins would have proven to be quite difficult. Maybe if Burke was still in Toronto they could have pulled it off but otherwise, very few teams would be willing to make that deal.
- Canuckleafer

Burke is running the ship in Calgary the top 5 pick would be a very good start. They have 36 mil in cap space next year

I honestly think the twins burned out already from waaaaaay too many minutes. They've simple played too much, they can't sustain that, which has been widely said throughout the media/ex-NHL players.
- LeftCoaster

I think we were all asking that question earlier in the season when seeing those minutes getting logged.

Which prompted my question yesterday: is it the roster, is it Torts, or are both to blame for our current predicament? I'm leaning to the latter of the three.

Quincey, Nyquist and a pick for Edler.
- fiveandagame

Seriously, though. Nyquist is going nowhere. I, personally, wouldn't trade Tatar or Jurco, but they are not untouchable. IMO Nyquist certainly is.

Let's go with, eh...

Quincey, Mantha, Ouellet, and a 2nd? Or do you guys not need defenseman prospects?

(frank)ing Burrows comes to mind

I thought Raymond was bad....................
- Whiskey-Tango

Yeah, Burrows My favorite Canucks, but he has no business being on the first PP with the way he is currently playing. It doesn't really seem like there is any true accountablity on this team. Torts preaches it, but only Booth, Kassian, and Weise were the only one held accountable. Anyone one of those 3 has a bad game: benched or scratched. Anybody gets to carry on their merry way...

Seriously, though. Nyquist is going nowhere. I, personally, wouldn't trade Tatar or Jurco, but they are not untouchable. IMO Nyquist certainly is.

Let's go with, eh...

Quincey, Mantha, Ouellet, and a 2nd? Or do you guys not need defenseman prospects?
- TwoPieceFeed

We need any prospects we can get

Seriously, though. Nyquist is going nowhere. I, personally, wouldn't trade Tatar or Jurco, but they are not untouchable. IMO Nyquist certainly is.

Let's go with, eh...

Quincey, Mantha, Ouellet, and a 2nd? Or do you guys not need defenseman prospects?
- TwoPieceFeed

We need forwards, we are pretty good on defense right now.

I think we were all asking that question earlier in the season when seeing those minutes getting logged.

Which prompted my question yesterday: is it the roster, is it Torts, or are both to blame for our current predicament? I'm leaning to the latter of the three.
- AlexF

They are the top paid players on the team, they should be getting the most ice time of the forwards. Their style is not suited for the type of game Torts plays. He wants an in your face crash and hit team. Sedins are. One of those

They're 1 & 2 in scoring for the Nucks, clearly they're not the problem. Who's the last team to trade their best two players, age 33, when things are going south?

The Cap hit is not an issue, as the Cap continues to rise we should be in good shape regarding the forwards, too much money spent on the defence though.
- LeftCoaster

Daniel's on pace for his lowest points total since 2004 - he (they) are part of the problem. No one gets a pass on this team.

I'm not saying you get rid of them, all I'm getting at is that it is tough to trade 2 players (especially who are trending downwards) with 7 mil cap hits right now.

So you're offering garbage dump Cleary instead?

The rumored DET offer over the summer was either Smith, Tatar, Sheehan or Smith, Tatar, Nyquist (depending on who you talk to). Both look better than the deals you've offered. I already stated many times that if it was the 2nd of these two Gillis should be tarred and feathered for not accepting.
- AlexF

The fact of the matter is that Detrot would need a salary dump to acquire Edler, and it isn't going to be a pretty one. Hence the inclusion of viable mid-20's defenseman and a valuable prospect, along with a draft pick. Elder isn't a necessary commodity for the Red Wings at this moment. He would be an upgrade, for sure, but we can't and won't sell a glut of NHL offensive talent for a player we don't need, especially considering the amount of high-end defensive talent we have in the minors and Europe.

Burke is running the ship in Calgary the top 5 pick would be a very good start. They have 36 mil in cap space next year
- VANTEL

The only problem with Calgary is that the top 5 pick is the only asset they have that is worth anything. Unless you include Mark Jankowski - steal of the 2012 draft

Seriously, though. Nyquist is going nowhere. I, personally, wouldn't trade Tatar or Jurco, but they are not untouchable. IMO Nyquist certainly is.

Let's go with, eh...

Quincey, Mantha, Ouellet, and a 2nd? Or do you guys not need defenseman prospects?
- TwoPieceFeed

Switch Ouellette with Sheahan.

On another note, what happened to Frk?

Daniel's on pace for his lowest points total since 2004 - he (they) are part of the problem. No one gets a pass on this team.

I'm not saying you get rid of them, all I'm getting at is that it is tough to trade 2 players (especially who are trending downwards) with 7 mil cap hits right now.
- Canuckleafer

Yes he is, you'll get no argument from me with respect to them not performing. But, up until the 40 game mark he was on pace for a regular 70+ point year. It's only until recently that he's poop the bed.

For years there's been nothing behind those two in terms of scoring, I'll defend them as players until the end. Are we starting to see a decline, sure, they're 33, bound to happen. Still, if you get rid of them, we're talking last place Edmonton Oiler scenario.

The only way we could escape a cap dump would be a 2-for-1 at the face value. Example: Kindl AND Smith, +Mantha for Edler. We could call up Almquist full-time that way to be our #7 (maybe, didn't check numbers). But, you guys don't understand how bad I don't want Quincey on the Wings anymore... I don't believe in God, but I've been praying all season long...

They're 1 & 2 in scoring for the Nucks, clearly they're not the problem. Who's the last team to trade their best two players, age 33, when things are going south?

The Cap hit is not an issue, as the Cap continues to rise we should be in good shape regarding the forwards, too much money spent on the defence though.
- LeftCoaster

They might be 1 and 2 in scoring for the Canucks but that's not saying much. Both Sedins, for instance, are in a 17 game goal-scoring drought and the guys are given many of the best opportunities to score.

In the last 108 games Daniel has scored 25 goals while Booth in 107 games total for the Canucks has scored 22. Yet we like to pile on Booth because he hasn't won an Art Ross and Daniel has.

I do believe Henrik is still a $7m player but Daniel no longer is. Which takes me back to point, it's tough to put a valuation on what a trade might be for them since they come as a pairing, a pairing which does not produce at $14m clip and seems to be in rapid decline.

The only way we could escape a cap dump would be a 2-for-1 at the face value. Example: Kindl AND Smith, +Mantha for Edler. We could call up Almquist full-time that way to be our #7 (maybe, didn't check numbers). But, you guys don't understand how bad I don't want Quincey on the Wings anymore... I don't believe in God, but I've been praying all season long...
- TwoPieceFeed

Yeah, like I said it's probably smart for the Canucks to take on Quincey if it meant getting a better return since he's an expiring contract anyways and the Canucks aren't in the Vanek/Moulson/Cammy market so cap space for just this year isn't a big deal.

Switch Ouellette with Sheahan.

On another note, what happened to Frk?
- fiveandagame

I would... Probably make that trade. Sounds fair. As per Frk, all I can say is that I knew his bad habits would hinder his potential professional career. To this extent - I didn't imagine. He had Tomas Holmstrom written all over his profile. Skilled, physical, slow, built like a truck. Huge difference being that Homer was Lidstrom-like in his dedication to fitness and tried his best to be disciplined. Looks like we'll never see him in the NHL at this point. Certainly not for this franchise.

They might be 1 and 2 in scoring for the Canucks but that's not saying much. Both Sedins, for instance, are in a 17 game goal-scoring drought and the guys are given many of the best opportunities to score.

In the last 108 games Daniel has scored 25 goals while Booth in 107 games total for the Canucks has scored 22. Yet we like to pile on Booth because he hasn't won an Art Ross and Daniel has.

I do believe Henrik is still a $7m player but Daniel no longer is. Which takes me back to point, it's tough to put a valuation on what a trade might be for them since they come as a pairing, a pairing which does not produce at $14m clip and seems to be in rapid decline.
- AlexF

As we've seen here, the Canucks without a healthy Henrik are arguably a bottom 3-5 team in the West in terms of offense.

They might be 1 and 2 in scoring for the Canucks but that's not saying much. Both Sedins, for instance, are in a 17 game goal-scoring drought and the guys are given many of the best opportunities to score.

In the last 108 games Daniel has scored 25 goals while Booth in 107 games total for the Canucks has scored 22. Yet we like to pile on Booth because he hasn't won an Art Ross and Daniel has.

I do believe Henrik is still a $7m player but Daniel no longer is. Which takes me back to point, it's tough to put a valuation on what a trade might be for them since they come as a pairing, a pairing which does not produce at $14m clip and seems to be in rapid decline.
- AlexF

If we had secondary scoring we wouldn't have to rely on them so much. It's not a hard concept to grasp for me, a much more balanced lineup means you don't focus on the only two guys that have provided scoring for this team for as far as memory can serve me. Just look at the other players in the league with a 6 million dollar cap hits. Their scoring is only slightly a problem, or it SHOULD be, if we had secondary scoring.

Is currently Daniel struggling, yes absolutely!!

As we've seen here, the Canucks without a healthy Henrik are arguably a bottom 3-5 team in the West in terms of offense.
- Nucker101

Henrik looks hurt, shouldn't be playing. Kesler and Daniel looked gased, not much left in those tanks. Higgins is providing the only other scoring for the team, that's how bad it it.