I’m not saying just give them away. But at the same time they can’t look to always come out massively on top and pull one over on the trading partner.

Look at the Seguin trade. In the long run Dallas will win this trade from the player perspective. In the much bigger picture they got better then the Bruins did. They got the better player who will be the better player for a long time. They got a piece they needed to help continue them forward and to match up with Jamie Benn.

But in the here and now the Bruins got what they needed to impact what their team needs now. Looking at it today (and there have been injuries), Boston has won from their perspective as they are poised to make another significant Cup run. They were willing to give up a great future talent to fit their needs now.

No the Oilers aren’t the Bruins. It is a different stage for their team. But they need to make impacts and move to effect the now. I’m not saying to add a player that will only help now and next season. There has to be some continuance on that. But it needs to help now and beyond. Whoever would be that draftpick may be a superstar in 6+ years. Whoever they may package with it may be a superstar in 6+ years. But if the Oilers have to continue to wait then they have failed. But the Oilers need impact now and have to be willing to give to get it.
- dal_johnson

The price for Coburn last year at the draft was reportedly more than Klefbom, Marincin and two 2nds.

Coburn.

GMs don't want to settle for anything that isn't a HUGE package or one of our top players. They don't want us to work up from gagner, they want to work up from whoever their Gagner equivalent is. Actually, scratch that, they don't want to provide fair value at all because we're "desperate" and they're not.

As much as we can consider that Eberle-Letang are roughly analogous in value and it helps both teams, the fact of the matter is that deal isn't actually available to us because The pens don't need help but the oilers do.

There's making a move to help the team, and then there's posturing yourself as a desperate team in a self-defeating way.

Is it just me or is it really annoying that Ek keeps saying the Islanders are in on Miller? Is he doing it just to mess with us? I mean as a long time Islanders fan haven't I gone through enough?

Stop saying the Islanders are in on Miller. The Islanders are sellers, they will not be bringing in a UFA, the Isles are probably on his no trade list. What would be the point of bringing in Miller? They are no where near the playoffs.
- cawala

LOL take this site as a form of entertainment, I prefer reading what the fans of each team write then the garbage rumors that are written. Not one person had the scoop of the Vanek/Moulson trade nor the minor trade Mont/Van just made.
Garth has had Miller going to just about every team in the NHL at one time or another, it's laughable.

I’m not saying just give them away. But at the same time they can’t look to always come out massively on top and pull one over on the trading partner.

Look at the Seguin trade. In the long run Dallas will win this trade from the player perspective. In the much bigger picture they got better then the Bruins did. They got the better player who will be the better player for a long time. They got a piece they needed to help continue them forward and to match up with Jamie Benn.

But in the here and now the Bruins got what they needed to impact what their team needs now. Looking at it today (and there have been injuries), Boston has won from their perspective as they are poised to make another significant Cup run. They were willing to give up a great future talent to fit their needs now.

No the Oilers aren’t the Bruins. It is a different stage for their team. But they need to make impacts and move to effect the now. I’m not saying to add a player that will only help now and next season. There has to be some continuance on that. But it needs to help now and beyond. Whoever would be that draftpick may be a superstar in 6+ years. Whoever they may package with it may be a superstar in 6+ years. But if the Oilers have to continue to wait then they have failed. But the Oilers need impact now and have to be willing to give to get it.
- dal_johnson

Nicely put. Couldn't agree more. Oilers have been holding on to their tradeable assets with a kung fu death grip thinking they are going to get a kings ransom for each and every one should they decide to move one or some of them.

I agree with your take completely, doesn't have to be a one sided heavy trade. As long as you improve your team, whats the difference really if it's a balanced trade or one side gets the better of the deal?!

I’m not saying just give them away. But at the same time they can’t look to always come out massively on top and pull one over on the trading partner.

Look at the Seguin trade. In the long run Dallas will win this trade from the player perspective. In the much bigger picture they got better then the Bruins did. They got the better player who will be the better player for a long time. They got a piece they needed to help continue them forward and to match up with Jamie Benn.

But in the here and now the Bruins got what they needed to impact what their team needs now. Looking at it today (and there have been injuries), Boston has won from their perspective as they are poised to make another significant Cup run. They were willing to give up a great future talent to fit their needs now.

No the Oilers aren’t the Bruins. It is a different stage for their team. But they need to make impacts and move to effect the now. I’m not saying to add a player that will only help now and next season. There has to be some continuance on that. But it needs to help now and beyond. Whoever would be that draftpick may be a superstar in 6+ years. Whoever they may package with it may be a superstar in 6+ years. But if the Oilers have to continue to wait then they have failed. But the Oilers need impact now and have to be willing to give to get it.
- dal_johnson

Seguin has shown that he's owned up to his immaturity. He's also bought into Lindys system down in Dallas, which has seemed to bring his game to the next level. IMO the trade is relatively equal.

Kuli for Leino...
- ImThatGuy

How about Jay Leno?

Nicely put. Couldn't agree more. Oilers have been holding on to their tradeable assets with a kung fu death grip thinking they are going to get a kings ransom for each and every one should they decide to move one or some of them.

I agree with your take completely, doesn't have to be a one sided heavy trade. As long as you improve your team, whats the difference really if it's a balanced trade or one side gets the better of the deal?!
- MnGump

Their rationale is not apparent to us from the mere fact they haven't been moved.

I'd bet they make and field dozens of calls a day.

And as I said earlier, other teams don't want our Gagner for their Gagner who plays a different position. They want Eberle for their Gagner. Because everyone knows the Oilers need fixing.

For the record I do agree with him on the subject of floating the first, and so do many oilers fans.

Their rationale is not apparent to us from the mere fact they haven't been moved.

I'd bet they make and field dozens of calls a day.

And as I said earlier, other teams don't want our Gagner for their Gagner who plays a different position. They want Eberle for their Gagner. Because everyone knows the Oilers need fixing.
For the record I do agree with him on the subject of floating the first, and so do many oilers fans.
- Morris

Makes sense. But I have to believe there have to be some offers out there that will improve the Oilers without them having to give up the young stars. Who knows, maybe not, but intuition tells me that the Oliers are still looking for ultimate and top value and that's primarily why they've not made more moves.

Their rationale is not apparent to us from the mere fact they haven't been moved.

I'd bet they make and field dozens of calls a day.

And as I said earlier, other teams don't want our Gagner for their Gagner who plays a different position. They want Eberle for their Gagner. Because everyone knows the Oilers need fixing.

For the record I do agree with him on the subject of floating the first, and so do many oilers fans.
- Morris

The oil needs a housecleaning from the management ,to the zamboni driver.Not to trade away what little they have to show for the current ,managments ineptitude

How about Jay Leno?
- bflobillww

I like Fallon...

Their rationale is not apparent to us from the mere fact they haven't been moved.

I'd bet they make and field dozens of calls a day.

And as I said earlier, other teams don't want our Gagner for their Gagner who plays a different position. They want Eberle for their Gagner. Because everyone knows the Oilers need fixing.

For the record I do agree with him on the subject of floating the first, and so do many oilers fans.
- Morris

we absolutely need some changes, but we certainly don't need a change just for the sake of it.

the first should and is being floated id guess. as is gagner.
as far as ebs or yaks, im sure they've been discussed as well. be we aint dealing one of them for a much lesser player just cause we happen to be losing. we'll be losing even worse if we do so. and im sure every time we call for any average or decent player, the immediate response is 'eberle'.......no thanks.
and let's not even discuss hall or nuge. there's no realistic scenario/deal where we're a better team long term from moving them

we absolutely need some changes, but we certainly don't need a change just for the sake of it.

the first should and is being floated id guess. as is gagner.
as far as ebs of yaks, im sure they've been discussed as well. be we aint dealing one of them for a much lesser player just cause we happen to be losing. we'll be losing even worse if we do so.
and let's not even discuss hall or nuge. there's no realistic scenario/deal where we're a better team from moving them
- hugefemale dog77

THISSSSSS

we absolutely need some changes, but we certainly don't need a change just for the sake of it.

the first should and is being floated id guess. as is gagner.
as far as ebs of yaks, im sure they've been discussed as well. be we aint dealing one of them for a much lesser player just cause we happen to be losing. we'll be losing even worse if we do so.
and let's not even discuss hall or nuge. there's no realistic scenario/deal where we're a better team from moving them
- hugefemale dog77

I find it very hard to evaluate talent at this point without a top pairing Dman on the roster.

I wish we had a monster two-way centre, a bona fide starter and some more scoring depth but it feels like we can't accurately tell what's wrong with the car if we don't even have an engine block.

LOL take this site as a form of entertainment, I prefer reading what the fans of each team write then the garbage rumors that are written. Not one person had the scoop of the Vanek/Moulson trade nor the minor trade Mont/Van just made.
Garth has had Miller going to just about every team in the NHL at one time or another, it's laughable.
- Leninthebuff

I know this is a form of entertainment and its purpose is to get fans talking. But making stuff up and saying he is hearing if from his "inside sources" is just laughable. At least make something up that makes sense.

Miller to the Islanders is just so inconceivably wrong. The only reason Snow should be talking to Buffalo is if he can get them to undo the Vanek trade. But I heard there is a strong "No Take Backs" clause in the trade.

I know this is a form of entertainment and its purpose is to get fans talking. But making stuff up and saying he is hearing if from his "inside sources" is just laughable. At least make something up that makes sense.

Miller to the Islanders is just so inconceivably wrong. The only reason Snow should be talking to Buffalo is if he can get them to undo the Vanek trade. But I heard there is a strong "No Take Backs" clause in the trade.
- cawala

Snow does have a hard on for goalies tho....

The oil needs a housecleaning from the management ,to the zamboni driver.Not to trade away what little they have to show for the current ,managments ineptitude

- top shelf 15

MacT has been GM for less than a year and has made multiple good deals....just because he hasn't pulled of the big deal for a top 2 Dman everyone poops on him?

Haters just like to hate I guess...

As a NYI fan...I would be ok with one of the following:

Vanek to LAK for Toffoli + 1st round pick

Vanek + MacDonald to LAK for Toffoli + Muzzin + 2014 1st round pick

Vanek + MacDonald to DET for Kindl + 2014 1st round pick
- kcNYI

Oh i bet you would..too bad none of that will happen you will get a first back for him and maybe a B level prospect..toffoli wont be in any deal involving vanek

I find it very hard to evaluate talent at this point without a top pairing Dman on the roster.

I wish we had a monster two-way centre, a bona fide starter and some more scoring depth but it feels like we can't accurately tell what's wrong with the car if we don't even have an engine block.
- Morris

agreed.

ive never really been a 'blame the goalie first' guy like many oiler fans seem to be. but there's no argument that at least in the first third of the season, it was pretty atrocious. and this kinda skews things.

obviously our defence is bad, but is tending letting us down all the time as well?
what about the defensive play of the top 6?? they aint making life easier for our porous defence, nor our goalies.

if we had those things u mentioned, it would be so much easier to identify the real problems. even just the consistent 1 goalie makes things more clear.

I will say that I believe the continued losing and loss of confidence has a lot to do with it as well. this is obviously even HARDER to quanitfy as it's so much less tangible. but I don't see how these kids aren't incredibly fragile after all the losing to start to their careers

we absolutely need some changes, but we certainly don't need a change just for the sake of it.

the first should and is being floated id guess. as is gagner.
as far as ebs of yaks, im sure they've been discussed as well. be we aint dealing one of them for a much lesser player just cause we happen to be losing. we'll be losing even worse if we do so.
and let's not even discuss hall or nuge. there's no realistic scenario/deal where we're a better team from moving them
- hugefemale dog77

Hall no. But I think you need to keep in mind that as good as some of these guys are, maybe as a team or line mates they just dont jibe. Could be chemistry issues, personality conflicts etc... things that just don't make this thing work as a team.

Obviously I don't know any of that, but I'm just saying maybe there are issues at play here that you or we as fans can't see or are not privy to that just won't allow these guys to play better as a team.

Personally, if I were an Oiler fan, I would want them to keep their draft picks and start trying to acquire more talent via trades, be it players and prospects and/or more picks. I mean somethings gotta give there, because obviously something is not working. You can't tell me that with all that talent there, these guys shouldn't at least be in the middle of the standings, at least! But with all that talent, they still linger around the very bottom of the league year after year.

That to me means that these guys don't belong together. Like I said, I think you keep Hall no matter what, maybe RNH too, but you start shopping guys like Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz, Hemsky and Gagner. Get a max return on guys like Eberle and Schultz and get some equal returns on guys like Hemsky and Gagner. Oilers clearly need more depth players.

Oh Ek, I love how you fly all over the place as if you are a legitimate journalist.
- XFactorHabs

proof that with the right....imagination...you can fly to the moon without leaving your couch

According to Bob Mac the Rags and Callahan are far apart on dollars and term....

Wants between 6.5 and 7 mill for 7 years. No way anyone is giving him that.
- Iggysbff

unfortunately I would think that Callahan has the Rangers a little over the barrell at the moment... similar to the Phaneuf in Toronto situation... the Rags really do need to keep Callahan.

unless Sather has a plan to resign FAs Gaborik and Gomez in the off season and needs the CAP space

MacT has been GM for less than a year and has made multiple good deals....just because he hasn't pulled of the big deal for a top 2 Dman everyone poops on him?

Haters just like to hate I guess...
- Iggysbff

Would have loved to have seen Perron in Van or Toronto. That was a great trade for Edmonton.

unfortunately I would think that Callahan has the Rangers a little over the barrell at the moment... similar to the Phaneuf in Toronto situation... the Rags really do need to keep Callahan.

unless Sather has a plan to resign FAs Gaborik and Gomez in the off season and needs the CAP space
- BorjeFan4Ever

I don't think he does really. The Leafs didn't have anyone to replace Dion for top pairing minutes - that was the issue. While Callahan is bringing levels of grit and the glue factor - he's more replaceable.

MacT has been GM for less than a year and has made multiple good deals....just because he hasn't pulled of the big deal for a top 2 Dman everyone poops on him?

Haters just like to hate I guess...
- Iggysbff

its tough to make those type of deals - when you are essentially being forced to give away a young player that has been developed by your organization... and there just isn't that many top 2 defensemen that are going to be available.

MacT ain't the problem... the problem is having guys such as Lowe around who probably want to constantly reinforce their own poor decisions and force MacT's hand or hold him back.

MacT has been GM for less than a year and has made multiple good deals....just because he hasn't pulled of the big deal for a top 2 Dman everyone poops on him?

Haters just like to hate I guess...
- Iggysbff

Would you be saying the same if Clarkson accepted that contract?

unfortunately I would think that Callahan has the Rangers a little over the barrell at the moment... similar to the Phaneuf in Toronto situation... the Rags really do need to keep Callahan.

unless Sather has a plan to resign FAs Gaborik and Gomez in the off season and needs the CAP space
- BorjeFan4Ever

I think it behooves the Rangers to keep Callahan as well, but he can't mean enough to that organization to justify over paying him by $15 to $20 million dollars.