Orr has gone from being arguably the best fighter in the league to a punching bag. After losing a fight (which was rare),the old Orr would be looking desperately to fight trying to prove his toughness , now he loses them all and doesn't look like he gives a (frank).
- dionschenn

Agree 100%

Orr is mailing it in, you don't go from that tough and mean a player to...Nothing.

He gave up after Parros.

Now he's like having Laraque on the team

You mean Gardiner will have to sit

Franson may be bad at d but Gards is worse
- Garnie

Look, Carlyle and Nonis need to wake up. The Leafs have ONE right handed defence man. You might not think it effects the D man that much but it dose. Trust me. The Leafs need to get some righty's. I am not saying this is a great option, but it is just an example.

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - Niskanen
Gardiner - Gleason
Frason for Girardi. Kulemin for Niskanen
Or

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - Niskanen
Gunnarsson - Gleason
Frason for Girardi. Kulemin for Niskanen
Trade Gards for a forward.
Or like I said yesterday.

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - McKeown
Gardiner/Gunnar - Gleason

I do not think trading Franson for GIrardi is the answer, but it is just an example. To me I like the third one the best.

He isn't that bad man, FML can't even stand up and fight anymore.

Orr is a shell of a once great fighter.

Somebody call Kaberle
- Byfuglien Ate Me

So we will use mclaren, if a guy tries to pass him he will punch them in the head

Look, Carlyle and Nonis need to wake up. The Leafs have ONE right handed defence man. You might not think it effects the D man that much but it dose. Trust me. The Leafs need to get some righty's. I am not saying this is a great option, but it is just an example.

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - Niskanen
Gardiner - Gleason
Frason for Girardi. Kulemin for Niskanen
Or

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - Niskanen
Gunnarsson - Gleason
Frason for Girardi. Kulemin for Niskanen
Trade Gards for a forward.
Or like I said yesterday.

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - McKeown
Gardiner/Gunnar - Gleason

I do not think trading Franson for GIrardi is the answer, but it is just an example. To me I like the third one the best.
- BoTtLePoLiCe

yeah trading for one of the better defenders in the league while our defense still has its lapses is not a good idea, if you like gleason you will like girardi way more

Agree 100%

Orr is mailing it in, you don't go from that tough and mean a player to...Nothing.

He gave up after Parros.

Now he's like having Laraque on the team
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Orr, Biggs, Gunner++ for Gio

So we will use mclaren, if a guy tries to pass him he will punch them in the head
- Mapleleafs_91

Well I guess it couldn't hurt to try....

But really, no one thinks Ranger is getting rusty sitting this long??

His game wasn't that good to begin with

Well I guess it couldn't hurt to try....

But really, no one thinks Ranger is getting rusty sitting this long??

His game wasn't that good to begin with
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Leafs need to make a major move on defense, if that means bringing in a guy like girardi you do it. We need one more top defender who is similar to gleason but better

yeah trading for one of the better defenders in the league while our defense still has its lapses is not a good idea, if you like gleason you will like girardi way more
- Mapleleafs_91

You think hes one of the better defenders in the league?

You think hes one of the better defenders in the league?
- LeafsFan64

Yes and one of the best in blocking shots in the league as well

You think hes one of the better defenders in the league?
- LeafsFan64

He's not the best but he is pretty good.

He's not the best but he is pretty good.
- BoTtLePoLiCe

We have our offensive defenders :

gards, phaneuf(two-way player now), rielly

More defensive:

Gunner, Gleason


Need at least one more top defensive defender

Why are we trading an RFA (Franson) for a UFA (Girardi)?

You think hes one of the better defenders in the league?
- LeafsFan64

Gleason is easily the best defensive dman on the team

Yzerman needs to man up and tell Stamkos he isn't going to Sochi.

Sorry, but you can't play one game and then go to the Olympics.

I love the fact the guy is dying to play for his country, but it isn't fair to his country.
- Atomic Wedgie

dead wrong.

you're talking about the second best player our country has, and probably top 3 on the face of the planet.

if he's cleared, and deemed ready, he plays. it doesn't make a difference how many nhl games he's squeezed in beforehand.

Why are we trading an RFA (Franson) for a UFA (Girardi)?
- gravyface

Cause he sucks defensively. Not that franson would get girardi

Look, Carlyle and Nonis need to wake up. The Leafs have ONE right handed defence man. You might not think it effects the D man that much but it dose. Trust me. The Leafs need to get some righty's. I am not saying this is a great option, but it is just an example.

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - Niskanen
Gardiner - Gleason
Frason for Girardi. Kulemin for Niskanen
Or

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - Niskanen
Gunnarsson - Gleason
Frason for Girardi. Kulemin for Niskanen
Trade Gards for a forward.
Or like I said yesterday.

Phaneuf - Girardi
Rielly - McKeown
Gardiner/Gunnar - Gleason

I do not think trading Franson for GIrardi is the answer, but it is just an example. To me I like the third one the best.
- BoTtLePoLiCe

So why do you keep Gardiner in every option? Honestly he's a terrible defenseman. I love his skating but who doesn't. It's his D brain that is totally useless, again against Ottawa another terrible pinch but I know...I know it was a fransons fault......right?

( not just you but many on HB )

Why are we trading an RFA (Franson) for a UFA (Girardi)?
- gravyface

The UFA would arguably sign with us, given consent that we would be able to talk to his agent firstly

So why do you keep Gardiner in every option? Honestly he's a terrible defenseman. I love his skating but who doesn't. It's his D brain that is totally useless, again against Ottawa another terrible pinch but I know...I know it was a fransons fault......right?

( not just you but many on HB )

- Garnie

Pretty much it was his fault not fransons. Both (frank) up a lot

Rush > Aerosmith (out of the water margin)

-Garnie-

Id honestly take Kessel Bozak JVR over most lines in the NHL
- lotempio8119

according to Hughson and Simpson on Saturday's HNIC broadcast... Turris with Bobby Ryan and Clarke MacArthur is the best line in the NHL.

how dare you argue with their esteemed opinions!

Pretty much it was his fault not fransons. Both (frank) up a lot
- Mapleleafs_91

I guess

Rush > Aerosmith (out of the water margin)

-Garnie-
- Not_Stee

Exactly, when was the last Aerosmith album?

according to Hughson and Simpson on Saturday's HNIC broadcast... Turris with Bobby Ryan and Clarke MacArthur is the best line in the NHL.

how dare you argue with their esteemed opinions!
- BorjeFan4Ever

Did they produce against the leafs? No. Thus, their line is irrelevant. Remember the hockey world revolves around us, not the senz.

...and on that note, that's akin to saying:

Monkees > Beatles

Coldplay > Radiohead

Eddie Van Halen > Joe Satriani

Nirvana > Pearl Jam

...and on that note, that's akin to saying:

Monkees > Beatles

Coldplay > Radiohead

Eddie Van Halen > Joe Satriani

Nirvana > Pearl Jam
- Not_Stee

All over rated