I blame snow for not following up which I said from the day after the trade. Loved the trade hate the fact that he did nothing to help it be successful. As usual it was the lets throw shat at the wall routine and see if it sticks. More often than not it wont work as we are seeing now.
- Cptmjl

Truthfully, we should be more up Snow's a** about the fact that Snow did nothing BEFORE the trade, like during the summer. Making reactionary trades in November would have reeked of desperation and Snow would have been fleeced in any deals he made from a point of desperation. As it was he overpaid for Vanek, not terribly but to a small extent.

If Snow had done his job during the summer, the Vanek trade would have been an "icing on the cake" final piece of the puzzle deal that should have sent this team into the top half of the conference easily. Instead, Snow sat on his a**, did nothing to improve the team, traded a blue chip prospect that he helped rush and stall development with for a third line grinder and a third round pick. That rendered the Vanek trade a solitary desperation move, albeit one that I still think he should have made. It just would have been a better result if the other glaring needs from last year had been addressed this past summer.

go back to last years posts and find out if this is in fact true...

spoiler alert...you may be surrpised
- LetsGoIsles

Consistency criticisms from the fan base that wanted to ship out the coach and every player not named McDonagh to all corners of the NHL just two months or so ago

Truthfully, we should be more up Snow's a** about the fact that Snow did nothing BEFORE the trade, like during the summer. Making reactionary trades in November would have reeked of desperation and Snow would have been fleeced in any deals he made from a point of desperation. As it was he overpaid for Vanek, not terribly but to a small extent.

If Snow had done his job during the summer, the Vanek trade would have been an "icing on the cake" final piece of the puzzle deal that should have sent this team into the top half of the conference easily. Instead, Snow sat on his a**, did nothing to improve the team, traded a blue chip prospect that he helped rush and stall development with for a third line grinder and a third round pick. That rendered the Vanek trade a solitary desperation move, albeit one that I still think he should have made. It just would have been a better result if the other glaring needs from last year had been addressed this past summer.
- Jethro09

Hard to argue that about the offseason. Nino for Clutterbuck, Regin and PMB did nothing to address the longstanding needs, in order of importance, of D, goaltending and a winger for Tavares. Regin was replacing a player and a role that simply didn't need to be replaced (Aucoin), PMB was no better of an option for the first line than any in-house player they could have tossed there, and Clutterbuck, while good at what he does, doesn't fill one of those top-three needs.

Truthfully, we should be more up Snow's a** about the fact that Snow did nothing BEFORE the trade, like during the summer. Making reactionary trades in November would have reeked of desperation and Snow would have been fleeced in any deals he made from a point of desperation. As it was he overpaid for Vanek, not terribly but to a small extent.

If Snow had done his job during the summer, the Vanek trade would have been an "icing on the cake" final piece of the puzzle deal that should have sent this team into the top half of the conference easily. Instead, Snow sat on his a**, did nothing to improve the team, traded a blue chip prospect that he helped rush and stall development with for a third line grinder and a third round pick. That rendered the Vanek trade a solitary desperation move, albeit one that I still think he should have made. It just would have been a better result if the other glaring needs from last year had been addressed this past summer.
- Jethro09

I can understand not making reactionary trades. A coaching change should have happened. Garth could have let Weight run with things to see if he is an answer. A GM need to manage in the offseason and during the season.

for those complaining about garth trading moulson for vanek when the team needs are goalie and defense, now garth has a better player to trade and get said goalie/dman.
- LetsGoIsles

Yeah bcs a contending team is going to trade a nhl ready goalie and defenseman to prepare for their cup run.

Truthfully, we should be more up Snow's a** about the fact that Snow did nothing BEFORE the trade, like during the summer. Making reactionary trades in November would have reeked of desperation and Snow would have been fleeced in any deals he made from a point of desperation. As it was he overpaid for Vanek, not terribly but to a small extent.

If Snow had done his job during the summer, the Vanek trade would have been an "icing on the cake" final piece of the puzzle deal that should have sent this team into the top half of the conference easily. Instead, Snow sat on his a**, did nothing to improve the team, traded a blue chip prospect that he helped rush and stall development with for a third line grinder and a third round pick. That rendered the Vanek trade a solitary desperation move, albeit one that I still think he should have made. It just would have been a better result if the other glaring needs from last year had been addressed this past summer.
- Jethro09

I agree and I am negative on that aspect as well. All of this is all connected and it all leads back to one person and that guy is Snow so lets stop (not you) with the "its not snows fault" or I dont blame snow routine bcs honestly it makes everyone look stupid. The guy has more get out of jail free cards then Gotti in his younger days.

- Isles_since_6

Yeah bcs a contending team is going to trade a nhl ready goalie and defenseman to prepare for their cup run.
- Cptmjl

explain how this isnt a double standard.

explain how this isnt a double standard.
- LetsGoIsles

When you're done explaining how it is.

When you're done explaining how it is.
- Cptmjl

Scenario #1 --garth trades moulson
Response #1-- "hes an idiot, vanek isnt a need, garth should have traded moulson for nhl ready goalie and dmen!!"

Scenario #2 -- garth is (presumably) trading vanek
Response #2 -- "do we really expect any team to trade an nhl ready goalie or dman!?"

Scenario #1 --garth trades moulson
Response #1-- "hes an idiot, vanek isnt a need, garth should have traded moulson for nhl ready goalie and dmen!!"

Scenario #2 -- garth is (presumably) trading vanek
Response #2 -- "do we really expect any team to trade an nhl ready goalie or dman!?"
- LetsGoIsles

This is so stupid but I'll explain it to you none the less. Scenario # 1 would have happened in the beginning of the season, you're aware of that right? Scenario 2 is going to happen a month to a month and a half before the playoffs start. Do I really need to explain this further? And for the record I said i liked the trade from day 1 so stop with the "Vanek isn't a need" BS . The problem i had with it was he did nothing following it or before it which was a recipe for disaster which EVERY "hockey person" on the planet said. Guy isn't signing if the team falls flat on it's face. Common sense.

I loved the trade. Said that the day of. It was his inaction following that made it a bad trade. If he did something, anything to help this team following than I could say he tried. I didnt see any "trying" on his part. I dont think its a stretch that is one of the reasons vanek rejected the offer. I suspect there are many reasons why Vanek isnt signing but most Snow jobs on here will find some convoluted reason to formulate an excuse for their poopty GM. Hysterical. Id say the bottom line is the guy wanted to win and he doesnt think we are going to be able to do that. Id be more alarmed as a fan by this than busy making excuses for an incompetent GM.
- Cptmjl

Even if he had gotten a top pairing dman and we went deep into the playoffs, it appears that Vanek would have likely opted out and many would have proclaimed the trade a fail. So I do think it's a stretch as to why he rejected the offer. Vanek has now rejected mega deals with Buffalo and NY. We all know where he's heading when free agency hits. He's said all along that it was a family decision, I doubt his family cared much about whether the team was ready to challenge for a cup. It's been hinted to us all along, Vanek wants to go nowhere other than Minnesota.

I agree and I am negative on that aspect as well. All of this is all connected and it all leads back to one person and that guy is Snow so lets stop (not you) with the "its not snows fault" or I dont blame snow routine bcs honestly it makes everyone look stupid. The guy has more get out of jail free cards then Gotti in his younger days.
- Cptmjl

You're confusing the 'I don't blame Snow' comment with a comment that covers his body of work this season. But I don't blame him for taking a chance on Vanek regardless. The loss will be minimal. We'll get a #1 and decent level NHL prospect (hopefully). It will be more than Moulson would have brought back so the overall loss will be minimal.

You guys scare Trolls away. They can't get a mean word in..

This is so stupid but I'll explain it to you none the less. Scenario # 1 would have happened in the beginning of the season, you're aware of that right? Scenario 2 is going to happen a month to a month and a half before the playoffs start. Do I really need to explain this further? And for the record I said i liked the trade from day 1 so stop with the "Vanek isn't a need" BS . The problem i had with it was he did nothing following it or before it which was a recipe for disaster which EVERY "hockey person" on the planet said. Guy isn't signing if the team falls flat on it's face. Common sense.
- Cptmjl

i wont respond to this because of your inability to discuss a topic without name calling-- i look forward to discussing this with someone who is able to carry a mature discussion

Even if he had gotten a top pairing dman and we went deep into the playoffs, it appears that Vanek would have likely opted out and many would have proclaimed the trade a fail. So I do think it's a stretch as to why he rejected the offer. Vanek has now rejected mega deals with Buffalo and NY. We all know where he's heading when free agency hits. He's said all along that it was a family decision, I doubt his family cared much about whether the team was ready to challenge for a cup. It's been hinted to us all along, Vanek wants to go nowhere other than Minnesota.
- keaner17

If it was this well known he wanted MN I would not have made the trade. I heard about Vanek and his love affair with MN after the fact. I would have traded Moulson to a team that needed offense and had D or goalies to give up. Hopefully a Vanek trade gets a good return. Still does not excuse the fact the season was left to fall apart without further action taken.

Even if he had gotten a top pairing dman and we went deep into the playoffs, it appears that Vanek would have likely opted out and many would have proclaimed the trade a fail. So I do think it's a stretch as to why he rejected the offer. Vanek has now rejected mega deals with Buffalo and NY. We all know where he's heading when free agency hits. He's said all along that it was a family decision, I doubt his family cared much about whether the team was ready to challenge for a cup. It's been hinted to us all along, Vanek wants to go nowhere other than Minnesota.
- keaner17

See, this is where I have a problem with your consistency. You know i like you dude but you and I tend to disagree quite a bit lately which hopefully you don't take offense too? Last week you weren't sure if MN was actually the place to be for Vanek and "speculation" and now that he rejected an offer from the Isles it cements this to an extent? Even if he goes to MN it doesn't. The guy said he wanted to win AND his family needed to be happy. We didn't, Snow didn't have the right pieces in place for this to be a "good" trade. Simple as that and EVEN if he wanted to go to MN and EVERY wing nut on hockeybuzz was aware of it why wasn't our GM? Why risk the assets that he did on a player that for sure wanted to go to MN bcs of his family? You can't have it one way and not the other.

Now, for the record...if I'm Wang, I'd fire Snow at the end of the season. I know it won't happen, but he's had his chance. It's not to say he hasn't done some very good things along the way.
I do think Snow accepted the most difficult GM job in the NHL and at the time it was the worst in all of sports. I think there are plenty of reasons beyond his control for just how difficult that position has been. That said, you've had 6 years of rebuilding this club and an opportunity to improve those adverse conditions and we're now staring a bottom five finish and total regression from last year due to a coach you hired, holes you failed to plug and general inaction.
Like him or not, successes versus failures, in a business that is dependent upon achieving results, you've failed. Vio Con Dios.

Now, for the record...if I'm Wang, I'd fire Snow at the end of the season. I know it won't happen, but he's had his chance. It's not to say he hasn't done some very good things along the way.
I do think Snow accepted the most difficult GM job in the NHL and at the time it was the worst in all of sports. I think there are plenty of reasons beyond his control for just how difficult that position has been. That said, you've had 6 years of rebuilding this club and an opportunity to improve those adverse conditions and we're now staring a bottom five finish and total regression from last year due to a coach you hired, holes you failed to plug and general inaction.
Like him or not, successes versus failures, in a business that is dependent upon achieving results, you've failed. Vio Con Dios.
- keaner17

So this excludes you from rants for the rest of the day?

Now, for the record...if I'm Wang, I'd fire Snow at the end of the season. I know it won't happen, but he's had his chance. It's not to say he hasn't done some very good things along the way.
I do think Snow accepted the most difficult GM job in the NHL and at the time it was the worst in all of sports. I think there are plenty of reasons beyond his control for just how difficult that position has been. That said, you've had 6 years of rebuilding this club and an opportunity to improve those adverse conditions and we're now staring a bottom five finish and total regression from last year due to a coach you hired, holes you failed to plug and general inaction.
Like him or not, successes versus failures, in a business that is dependent upon achieving results, you've failed. Vio Con Dios.
- keaner17

Snow apologist!

Going off a Yahoo article whose source was Charley Walters?
The Wild are doing just fine financially and will have plenty of cap space to go after Vanek... but I hope they do not.
- SotaPopinski

clearly u just read one post in the middle of a discussion and took it way out of context. I never insinuated the Wild owners were in financial ruins. I just stated he has publically talked about how much he is losing every year on the team. When that was dismissed as years ago before the cap... I corrected the guy by stating actually it was last year. ... none of this was a shot at Minn ownership.

My only point is they are losing Heatley's $ at end of this year and I am not so sure they are DYING to replace that with Vanek .. given the owners griping on $. That said they also heavily front loaded Parise and Suter I think.. so I could be very wrong. ... Don't really care to tell the truth. More concerned with what Isles get for Vanek than if Minn signs him in off season.

See, this is where I have a problem with your consistency. You know i like you dude but you and I tend to disagree quite a bit lately which hopefully you don't take offense too? Last week you weren't sure if MN was actually the place to be for Vanek and "speculation" and now that he rejected an offer from the Isles it cements this to an extent? Even if he goes to MN it doesn't. The guy said he wanted to win AND his family needed to be happy. We didn't, Snow didn't have the right pieces in place for this to be a "good" trade. Simple as that and EVEN if he wanted to go to MN and EVERY wing nut on hockeybuzz was aware of it why wasn't our GM? Why risk the assets that he did on a player that for sure wanted to go to MN bcs of his family? You can't have it one way and not the other.
- Cptmjl

Let's put it this way. I've ALWAYS felt that if Vanek received an offer from MN he'd go there. PERIOD. The only thing I ever said was that it was speculation to say if he left there'd be no way he'd return. I still believe that.
It's well known that Vanek has been looking forward to being a UFA. (didn't know that at the time of the trade though). The only question in my mind was if MN would have as much interest in Vanek as he has in them. It takes two to tango. I'd say if that interest doesn't exist, there's a distinct possibility he could consider the Isles.

I also have to consider the fact that there may be a tampering issue here, though it never gets prooven these days. I have a funny feeling that Vanek already knows MN will be making a pitch. It's been said that Pommenville may very well be a middle man in that transaction so Vanek may already know he'll be in a Wild Jersey come next season.

So this excludes you from rants for the rest of the day?
- Cptmjl

It's stating my overall stance on the job Garth has done and the fact that I think it's time for accountability. I think there are a lot of issues with this club that are out of his control, but he's had long enough to deal with the handicaps. However, I see plenty of small victories during his tenure as well. We wouldn't be able to female dog about losing guys like Moulson and PA had Snow not plucked them from complete obscurity. I think many of his picks who haven't even seen the NHL will be big time players for this team for years to come, but the sad fact in sports is as a GM, you're either winning or your not. We're not. Time to move on.

Snow apologist!
- JimmyP

Snow apologist!
- JimmyP

Exactly!