I would love to get Derek Forbort, Tyler Toffoli and Martin Jones from L.A.

Question; what pick would we need for you guys to consider keeping this years?

For me, if we have a chance at Ekblad I keep it, otherwise I'm not really interested

how about vanek to columbus for erixon + dansk + 2nd? you could maybe get even a 1st instead of a 2nd?
- rangerdanger94

That doesnt work from Columbus cap perspective. I wouldnt be surprised if they offer Gaborik for Vanek, better yet I would love J. Johnson for Vanek, but that is a pipe dream.

That doesnt work from Columbus cap perspective. I wouldnt be surprised if they offer Gaborik for Vanek, better yet I would love J. Johnson for Vanek, but that is a pipe dream.
- ziggy_skalica

yea wow didn't realize how close they were to the cap...although that is with erixon on the roster. $2 million might be enough cap space with how the whole pro-rated cap hit thing works with the deadline.

and yea, can't see them trading johnson for a rental at all.

Just a FYI Wang not paying his loan on the Marriot is no indication he is in financial trouble. This is common practice when a bank won't adjust your loan when better terms are available. A good example of this is if you owe 5k to a hospital or on a CC once you go to collections MAGICALLY they will offer you a way better repayment deal and remove the mark from your credit report.

Just a FYI Wang not paying his loan on the Marriot is no indication he is in financial trouble. This is common practice when a bank won't adjust your loan when better terms are available. A good example of this is if you owe 5k to a hospital or on a CC once you go to collections MAGICALLY they will offer you a way better repayment deal and remove the mark from your credit report.
- guno89

True, I have no idea how that works on a $102 million note. Just don't see it as an encouraging sign is all.

no and no. considering Vanek wont resign with detroit anyway
and macdonalds is garbage

anddd

Smith-sucks.
Frk-who knows, just started in GR
Mrazek-could be a backup next season

and detroit is at the cap.
- Jurco_28

Frk is a great player this I know as I watched him here with the Mooseheads...but yes that was junior. I thought Smith was a good d-man. you are right about AMac for sure....

That doesnt work from Columbus cap perspective. I wouldnt be surprised if they offer Gaborik for Vanek, better yet I would love J. Johnson for Vanek, but that is a pipe dream.
- ziggy_skalica

you are right..this is a trade we need to go for a big time dman....leave the goalie til FA as it doesn't matter now anyway...

I know how to fix bailey. Put him on top line with Tavares for a few games. He'll be producing in no time.

Whelp, I take the day off from the internet and look what happens...
Mixed feelings on this whole experience, but here's my two cents:

No regrets. While it sucks that we're about to be left at the alter once again, the reality is this was a big risk and we knew it all along. On one hand, we can certainly blame Snow for taking this risk, but in reality it was an honest attempt. This wasn't about the team being cheap, it wasn't about them not being aggressive enough and it certainly wasn't about them not being able to broker a deal. 7 years ago, Snow attempted to bring instant credibility back to the franchise by trading for Captain Canada. It blew up in his face due largely to reputation that had been built years before he even joined the club. That was of course the last straw for Garth and the Isles went into a hiatus from big ticket trades/UFA's, deciding to instead draft their own big players.

After last seasons success, Garth decided it was time to see if the franchise had indeed turned the corner, not just in the minds of their fans but around the league as well. The trade may have been unpopular with some due to the player we sent packing, or the consideration that it wasn't a huge 'need', but Snow took the risk to bring in one of the biggest names in the game and signal t the league that the Islanders were serious again.

The fact is they made this bet on a player that wasn't likely to stay here regardless of the teams past, present or future. Vanek has his sites set elsewhere and seems to believe it's not such a huge risk to turn a massive deal down for. Obviously what it does for us, is suggest to the league that we still aren't that hotspot for UFA's.

It's the worst case scenario for the fans, the players, management and ownership. It's essentially a comment advising "you're still on your own".

I'm sure today has provided the fodder for the malcontents to tee off on the last 8 years, tell us how ownership is a joke, management is a joke, the team has no hope etc and some of it's deserved, but I think the story isn't complete at this moment. I'm pretty sure that Snow took into account the possibility that Vanek might not stay. Afterall, if we've gotten wind all along that MN was a preferred destination, I'm pretty sure Garth knew it as well. I imagine Garth will seek a 1st rd pick, a top prospect who is NHL ready and perhaps a player. It will be a huge asking price that may or may not pan out, but that return will only slightly dull the pain of getting publically insulted once again, deserved or not.

I don't blame Garth, this COULD have been a watershed moment for the franchise. Instead it's a reminder that this team has to earn a reputation. The players, coaches, management, ownership and even fans are all responsible (though not equally so). How we recovery from this, will truly be the franchises most defining moment.
- keaner17

"I dont blame Garth". Well who do you blame then? The guy traded alot for vanek and did NOTHING to help this team succeed. Not a facking thing. From keeping a terrible coach on to leaving his team as is in the offseason amd present when it was evident what its needs were. When is Garth to blame with sone of you guys? When do you hold him accountable? Unreal the unfounded respect this clown gets from sone of you guys. Why do you think he doesbt want to resign? Think it nay have to do with managements inaction when the team was floundering? Or now all of a sudden you think he wants to go to MN when last week you werent so sure that was his intent? Does this now cement that for you? When and if he goes to MN is all forgiven? If thats the case then Snow should have had a better handle on the situation bcs every troll on hockeybuzz was onto something he wasnt.

Vanek, Bailey and AMAC for Ward, Murphy and Tlusty

I have to say at least Milbury never hid from the media. I will give him that at least. He when on the radio many times and took a beating.
- ses111

Because it was all about him being on the radio, the TV, or whatever, which is why he should have stayed there in the first place.

I know how to fix bailey. Put him on top line with Tavares for a few games. He'll be producing in no time.
- Spartiarti

Too little too late. SOS

True, I have no idea how that works on a $102 million note. Just don't see it as an encouraging sign is all.
- Isles316

I still know what I heard before the season this year, so let's just say this news doesn't surprise me and leave it at that. We need that Russian guy who doesn't know how to count because too many piles of cash keep coming in from the oil fields every week to buy this team. That would solve half of the problem around here- the building solves the other half. Plus, guys like that won't put up with a bunch of simpletons running their operation, either.

"I dont blame Garth". Well who do you blame then? The guy traded alot for vanek and did NOTHING to help this team succeed. Not a facking thing. From keeping a terrible coach on to leaving his team as is in the offseason amd present when it was evident what its needs were. When is Garth to blame with sone of you guys? When do you hold him accountable? Unreal the unfounded respect this clown gets from sone of you guys. Why do you think he doesbt want to resign? Think it nay have to do with managements inaction when the team was floundering? Or now all of a sudden you think he wants to go to MN when last week you werent so sure that was his intent? Does this now cement that for you? When and if he goes to MN is all forgiven? If thats the case then Snow should have had a better handle on the situation bcs every troll on hockeybuzz was onto something he wasnt.
- Cptmjl

I don't think people blame Garth for the Vanek deal. It was a risky move, but one that was of the type needed to make a big improvement with the team. You can't build through the draft alone. I think people do blame Garth (and rightly so) for the awful summer he had that led to this debacle of a season.

Snow needs a monster offseason. He has to make the right choices with the coaching staff, defense and goaltending. If he doesn't, Wang must fire him. It's time that Snow be evaluated on results, i.e. Wins and playoff results, not on his 2008 draft results.

I don't think people blame Garth for the Vanek deal. It was a risky move, but one that was of the type needed to make a big improvement with the team. You can't build through the draft alone. I think people do blame Garth (and rightly so) for the awful summer he had that led to this debacle of a season.

Snow needs a monster offseason. He has to make the right choices with the coaching staff, defense and goaltending. If he doesn't, Wang must fire him. It's time that Snow be evaluated on results, i.e. Wins and playoff results, not on his 2008 draft results.
- Jethro09

The freefall in November and no action taken to correct things is also why many are upset with Garth. Isles cannot keep writing seasons off when they are just starting up.

"I dont blame Garth". Well who do you blame then? The guy traded alot for vanek and did NOTHING to help this team succeed. Not a facking thing. From keeping a terrible coach on to leaving his team as is in the offseason amd present when it was evident what its needs were. When is Garth to blame with sone of you guys? When do you hold him accountable? Unreal the unfounded respect this clown gets from sone of you guys. Why do you think he doesbt want to resign? Think it nay have to do with managements inaction when the team was floundering? Or now all of a sudden you think he wants to go to MN when last week you werent so sure that was his intent? Does this now cement that for you? When and if he goes to MN is all forgiven? If thats the case then Snow should have had a better handle on the situation bcs every troll on hockeybuzz was onto something he wasnt.
- Cptmjl

You're waaaaaayyy overstretching my comment. There is plenty I blame Garth for, but let's keep it specific to the Vanek trade. For all the female doging that goes on around here about our GM never making trades, the guy dealt picks from a crap draft and a guy many of us wanted out on a rail for one of the elite forwards in the game. From a player perspective, Vanek, JT and Okposo have been excellent together. Anytime you trade for a pending UFA, there's a danger they may not hang around but this club took a risk to try and make last years playoff team (and beyond) just a bit better.

We can blame Garth for Cappy, the defense, Bailey, goaltending etc but the trade itself was a risky shot from a gm that most of you complain all day long is too conservative. So I don't blame him for TRYING. I appreciate that he tried.

I know how to fix bailey. Put him on top line with Tavares for a few games. He'll be producing in no time.
- Spartiarti

No thanks. I'd rather we put him with the equipment manager

No thanks. I'd rather we put him with the equipment manager
- keaner17

i bet you loved him last year when he got you into the playoffs !!
I guess he forgot how to coach ...
- rsmarro

go back to last years posts and find out if this is in fact true...

spoiler alert...you may be surrpised

I don't think people blame Garth for the Vanek deal. It was a risky move, but one that was of the type needed to make a big improvement with the team. You can't build through the draft alone. I think people do blame Garth (and rightly so) for the awful summer he had that led to this debacle of a season.

Snow needs a monster offseason. He has to make the right choices with the coaching staff, defense and goaltending. If he doesn't, Wang must fire him. It's time that Snow be evaluated on results, i.e. Wins and playoff results, not on his 2008 draft results.
- Jethro09

I blame snow for not following up which I said from the day after the trade. Loved the trade hate the fact that he did nothing to help it be successful. As usual it was the lets throw shat at the wall routine and see if it sticks. More often than not it wont work as we are seeing now.

You're waaaaaayyy overstretching my comment. There is plenty I blame Garth for, but let's keep it specific to the Vanek trade. For all the female doging that goes on around here about our GM never making trades, the guy dealt picks from a crap draft and a guy many of us wanted out on a rail for one of the elite forwards in the game. From a player perspective, Vanek, JT and Okposo have been excellent together. Anytime you trade for a pending UFA, there's a danger they may not hang around but this club took a risk to try and make last years playoff team (and beyond) just a bit better.

We can blame Garth for Cappy, the defense, Bailey, goaltending etc but the trade itself was a risky shot from a gm that most of you complain all day long is too conservative. So I don't blame him for TRYING. I appreciate that he tried.
- keaner17

I loved the trade. Said that the day of. It was his inaction following that made it a bad trade. If he did something, anything to help this team following than I could say he tried. I didnt see any "trying" on his part. I dont think its a stretch that is one of the reasons vanek rejected the offer. I suspect there are many reasons why Vanek isnt signing but most Snow jobs on here will find some convoluted reason to formulate an excuse for their poopty GM. Hysterical. Id say the bottom line is the guy wanted to win and he doesnt think we are going to be able to do that. Id be more alarmed as a fan by this than busy making excuses for an incompetent GM.

I loved the trade. Said that the day of. It was his inaction following that made it a bad trade. If he did something, anything to help this team following than I could say he tried. I didnt see any "trying" on his part. I dont think its a stretch that is one of the reasons vanek rejected the offer. I suspect there are many reasons why Vanek isnt signing but most Snow jobs on here will find some convoluted reason to formulate an excuse for their poopty GM. Hysterical. Id say the bottom line is the guy wanted to win and he doesnt think we are going to be able to do that. Id be more alarmed as a fan by this than busy making excuses for an incompetent GM.
- Cptmjl

Cpt, are you saying letting the season fall apart in November is not trying? do something like fire Thompson. Make some move to show you care. Do not let the season fall away ater making the playoffs for the first time in years.

It's all well and good to trade for Vanek keaner, the problem is letting another season go into the tank without a coaching change or further trades. Season ticket holders deserve more than watching another lost season in November. Hopefully the Isles get a good return on Vanek, still the sting of losing a Vanek is most likely going to hurt well after this season and it will hurt in many ways. How it affects JT is the biggest concern.

If MN was a known destination for Vanek, I'm not sure I would have even made this move and would have traded Moulson for a goalie or Dman. I just hope everything works out and we have a good offseason and the team brings in a new coach so I can stop being a malcontent.
- ses111

for those complaining about garth trading moulson for vanek when the team needs are goalie and defense, now garth has a better player to trade and get said goalie/dman.

for those complaining about garth trading moulson for vanek when the team needs are goalie and defense, now garth has a better player to trade and get said goalie/dman.
- LetsGoIsles

Hopefully he can add goalie/dman. I supported the trade. I just had a problem with no further coaching or player moves and letting the season fall apart in November.