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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:09 PM ET
How much will Niskanen get in free agency this summer? I wonder if it will be north of what Carle got from the Lightning.
- ravishingone


Probably in the same ballpark.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:10 PM ET
That is about where the impressive numbers end. In the analytics and advanced-stats world, Simmonds would not be lauded as an MVP-caliber player. He is the 247th ranked player in the NHL in relative Corsi percentage - the Flyers get 0.6 percent fewer shot attempts when he is on the ice compared to when he is on the bench, according to ExtraSkater.com.

Corsi is used as a way to help simply explain puck possession - a valuable stat since you can't attempt to shoot when you don't have it, and you can't win without shooting. He also starts more of his shifts than not already in the offensive zone, and the quality of competition he is facing is about average for the league.


Read more at http://www.philly.com/phi....html#YQf8bvgsUx277fhP.99


- KINGKENZO


Extraskater.com is a great site. I use it a lot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:11 PM ET
How much will Niskanen get in free agency this summer? I wonder if it will be north of what Carle got from the Lightning.
- ravishingone


I would think that the rarity of available quality defenseman would elevate the price.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:14 PM ET
Probably in the same ballpark.
- PhillySportsGuy


So for that kind of cap hit, do you convince Kimmo to come back another year, or invest 7 years for Niskanen. He's only 27, I think he gets 7 years.
ZaphodB
Joined: 10.21.2013

Feb 3 @ 9:15 PM ET
takes a mighty small sense of self esteem to fight about something so stupid all day long
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:17 PM ET
So for that kind of cap hit, do you convince Kimmo to come back another year, or invest 7 years for Niskanen. He's only 27, I think he gets 7 years.
- ravishingone


Niskanen is having a great year, but he is incredibly inconsistent. There is no guarantee he will continue to play like this. I would much rather get Girardi. He's a steady, reliable dman. Not a ton of offense but he will chip in his 30-35 points. He will play very strong defense though.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:19 PM ET
So for that kind of cap hit, do you convince Kimmo to come back another year, or invest 7 years for Niskanen. He's only 27, I think he gets 7 years.
- ravishingone


I think it depends on the Cap hit. Niskanen is a player I wouldn't mind adding. But in my opinion I think the Flyers need a high minute player that can play the hard minutes. If the Flyers could somehow move Streit, Niskanen would be a big upgrade.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:20 PM ET
Niskanen is having a great year, but he is incredibly inconsistent. There is no guarantee he will continue to play like this. I would much rather get Girardi. He's a steady, reliable dman. Not a ton of offense but he will chip in his 30-35 points. He will play very strong defense though.
- PhillySportsGuy


I'm with you there. Definitely would love to add Girardi.
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:20 PM ET
LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!

- ggunky

stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:22 PM ET
Probably in the same ballpark.
- PhillySportsGuy

leave him alone!
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:25 PM ET
Niskanen is having a great year, but he is incredibly inconsistent. There is no guarantee he will continue to play like this. I would much rather get Girardi. He's a steady, reliable dman. Not a ton of offense but he will chip in his 30-35 points. He will play very strong defense though.
- PhillySportsGuy


Ultimately, I think Sather caves to Girardi's demands, of course I could be wrong. I like Markov, but another over 35 contract and with his injury history is very much a concern.

I love Kimmo, I just don't think you can get another year out of him on the top pair without him breaking down further next season or being worn too far down at playoff time.

I think they would give up the farm for P.K., but the Habs can't trade him, no matter how much of a pain in the arse he is.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:25 PM ET
leave him alone!
- stayinthefnnet


You know Homer will be in on him. It makes me nervous because I don't know if this is just a great year or not.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:26 PM ET
I would think that the rarity of available quality defenseman would elevate the price.
- MJL

if girardi signs before FA, niskanen will be the number one Dman available. love him, but thats crazy
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Feb 3 @ 9:27 PM ET
Bad foot bruise form blocking a shot in anaheim
- Jsaquella

csn philly said it was in the detroit game but they also said the flyers play next on monday 2/6???
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:27 PM ET
Ultimately, I think Sather caves to Girardi's demands, of course I could be wrong. I like Markov, but another over 35 contract and with his injury history is very much a concern.

I love Kimmo, I just don't think you can get another year out of him on the top pair without him breaking down further next season or being worn too far down at playoff time.

I think they would give up the farm for P.K., but the Habs can't trade him, no matter how much of a pain in the arse he is.

- ravishingone


I think you're right, Girardi will be re-signed. The more I think about it, with the available Cap space the Flyers have for next year. I'd think real hard bout giving Niskanen Carle level money.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:27 PM ET
You know Homer will be in on him. It makes me nervous because I don't know if this is just a great year or not.
- PhillySportsGuy

want to give up 7 years and 38 million to find out?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:28 PM ET
if girardi signs before FA, niskanen will be the number one Dman available. love him, but thats crazy
- stayinthefnnet


He'll cash in. Do you think Pittsburgh re-signs him?
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:28 PM ET
Ultimately, I think Sather caves to Girardi's demands, of course I could be wrong. I like Markov, but another over 35 contract and with his injury history is very much a concern.

I love Kimmo, I just don't think you can get another year out of him on the top pair without him breaking down further next season or being worn too far down at playoff time.

I think they would give up the farm for P.K., but the Habs can't trade him, no matter how much of a pain in the arse he is.

- ravishingone


I agree with you. The Rangers looked stacked on D a couple years ago. They could end up losing Girardi, Del Zotto and Staal is a shell of himself.

I would take Kimmo back. He would still be the best defenseman on this team next year if they don't make another move. Having him as your best defenseman puts a cap on how far this team can go though. He's just not able to carry the load like he used to.

I agree about Subban. I would part with Couturier+ for him. Habs would be insane to let him go. They need to overpay if they have to. He's really progressing in his own end as well. The future is really bright for him.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:29 PM ET
He'll cash in. Do you think Pittsburgh re-signs him?
- MJL

i dont think so. only because i just dont think they can. and honestly, i dont think ill hold it against him when he leaves, because for him to resign it pittsburgh, he would have to turn down a ton of extra money. like max talbot times 5.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:29 PM ET
want to give up 7 years and 38 million to find out?
- stayinthefnnet


Maybe not 7 years, but 5 for 27.5.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:30 PM ET
csn philly said it was in the detroit game but they also said the flyers play next on monday 2/6???
- hogweed


It was the Detroit game. He left that game early.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:30 PM ET
LETS GO SHARKS I mean.. FLYERS!
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:30 PM ET
I agree with you. The Rangers looked stacked on D a couple years ago. They could end up losing Girardi, Del Zotto and Staal is a shell of himself.

I would take Kimmo back. He would still be the best defenseman on this team next year if they don't make another move. Having him as your best defenseman puts a cap on how far this team can go though. He's just not able to carry the load like he used to.

I agree about Subban. I would part with Couturier+ for him. Habs would be insane to let him go. They need to overpay if they have to. He's really progressing in his own end as well. The future is really bright for him.

- PhillySportsGuy

i hate him, but Subban is another one of those guys who would single handedly improve the flyers by leaps and bounds. he is the real deal.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Feb 3 @ 9:31 PM ET
i dont think so. only because i just dont think they can. and honestly, i dont think ill hold it against him when he leaves, because for him to resign it pittsburgh, he would have to turn down a ton of extra money. like max talbot times 5.
- stayinthefnnet


Max deal was a fair deal in hindsight. The cap keeps going up so much. These deals end up not being that bad after a few years.

Carles deal looked terrible and now it look reasonable.
ravishingone
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 06.30.2007

Feb 3 @ 9:31 PM ET
Maybe not 7 years, but 5 for 27.5.
- MJL


Supply and demand, he will be 28 next season. I think he gets 7 years in the market place, IMO.
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