Ffs man I'm arguing the same thing as you. Focus
- Yeti1181

Focused!

I rather not see Orr and actually play an NHL fourth line.
- mykokes

I concur with this. Their (McLaren too) effectiveness hasn't carried over into this season, mostly due to the refs clamping down and their opponents refusing to engage in fisticuffs and allowing the Leafs to feed off that energy like they did last year.

Hey guys - am I too late to compare the effectiveness of 4th liners based on who averages 0.000003 PPG and who averages 0.0000034 PPG?

Again, why is Ashton less interesting than McKegg?
- mykokes

Ashton is pretty much proven to be totally fk'n useless...McKegg hasn't proven his uselessness yet...

Based on what? Leivo I can see it, but why is Ashton just Ashton? Is it because they had better junior careers? If that's the criteria, than I guess Michal Repik should've been a better NHLer than Milan Lucic. I know that's an extreme example, but why do we write of Ashton? I'll tell you why, because of the stupid decision to use him as a 20 year old. This year aside from getting his face punched in, what exactly has he done wrong? And can you really write off a guy based on getting the poopty assignment of 6 minutes with Orr?
- mykokes

Because what ashton is described to be about does not justify what he brings to the table in the NHL. Bodie works harder and does a better job, alot of people would agree to that statement. Even if he is on the 4th line with Orr and mcclement, he is lucky to even have a roster spot on the team while our lineups are congested enough, you have to make the most of the time given during games, even if its a small sample.

Focused!
- mykokes

I'll argue with you. What's the topic?

They go hand in hand though. If you want them to play more, shouldn't you be concerned with the guys you're giving those minutes too? Are you fine with playing Orr more or would you rather see Ashton/D'Amigo play more?
- systemtool

Probably Ashton and D'amigo.

I dont really care if the fourth line scores. I just want them to play well defensively, and do what ever they can to wear down the opposition.

As far as playing time. I understand that in a close game they arent going to be used often. But why arent they being played in games like yesterday against Florida when we are up by 3? Give them some minutes near the end of the game to save the other guys.

Hey guys - am I too late to compare the effectiveness of 4th liners based on who averages 0.000003 PPG and who averages 0.0000034 PPG?
- 1979AD

Probably Ashton and D'amigo.

I dont really care if the fourth line scores. I just want them to play well defensively, and do what ever they can to wear down the opposition.

As far as playing time. I understand that in a close game they arent going to be used often. But why arent they being played in games like yesterday against Florida when we are up by 3? Give them some minutes near the end of the game to save the other guys.
- Leafs43

Finally, some perspective!

Because what ashton is described to be about does not justify what he brings to the table in the NHL. Bodie works harder and does a better job, alot of people would agree to that statement. Even if he is on the 4th line with Orr and mcclement, he is lucky to even have a roster spot on the team while our lineups are congested enough, you have to make the most of the time given during games, even if its a small sample.
- Mapleleafs_91

That's the thing. People think it's a hate on for Ashton as opposed to giving guys who have worked harder than him a bit more credit. Nips was right. All these guys are a dime a dozen and pretty interchangeable. If we want to be fair about all this, Bodie has earned the most clout.

That's the thing. People think it's a hate on for Ashton as opposed to giving guys who have worked harder than him a bit more credit. Nips was right. All these guys are a dime a dozen and pretty interchangeable. If we want to be fair about all this, Bodie has earned the most clout.
- systemtool

Both ashton and damigo have played also on the 3rd line with the lineup switches and etc during games, still haven't fully taken advantage of that. They are a dime a dozen, thats why sometimes its good for a change once in a while. You gave 30 games to ashton, okay so give some games now to a guy like leivo or mckegg let them have a go. Same as damigo had about 20 games, let others have a try

Both ashton and damigo have played also on the 3rd line with the lineup switches and etc during games, still haven't fully taken advantage of that. They are a dime a dozen, thats why sometimes its good for a change once in a while. You gave 30 games to ashton, okay so give some games now to a guy like leivo or mckegg let them have a go. Same as damigo had about 20 games, let others have a try
- Mapleleafs_91

Best point made on this topic so far.

Keep these guys hungry and motivated.

Hey guys - am I too late to compare the effectiveness of 4th liners based on who averages 0.000003 PPG and who averages 0.0000034 PPG?
- 1979AD

I was going to suggest evaluating effectiveness based on corsi, where is Yost when you need him

I was going to suggest evaluating effectiveness based on corsi, where is Yost when you need him
- ky678468

Believe it or not, he's going ga-ga over Clarke Macs career year, without understanding it's a career year, and leading the parade to signing him long term.

Pretty Ironic that all we did was battle for 8th with Mac on our team (aside from last year and we benched him for half our playoff games), which is what they're doing right now.

Josh Leivo:1 Goal, 1 Assist in 7 games, PPG 0.29, Minutes 9:49, 0

Carter Ashton: 0 goals, 3 assists in 30 games, PPG 0.1, Minutes 6:12, +1

Bodie: 2 goals, 4 assists in 21 games, PPG 0.27, Minutes 7:08, +2

Smith: 4 goals, 5 assists in 25 games, PPG 0.36, Minutes 10:46, -2

Holland: 6 goals, 5 assists in 35 games, PPG: 0.31, Minutes 11:28, +1

Damigo: 1 goal, 1 assist in 19 games, PPG: 0.11, Minutes 8:03, -1

Best point made on this topic so far.

Keep these guys hungry and motivated.
- systemtool

Young kids like to prove themselves and those who have not played may be motivated for a call up, its just what they do to prepare and make the best of the situation given to them.

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Believe it or not, he's going ga-ga over Clarke Macs career year, without understanding it's a career year, and leading the parade to signing him long term.

Pretty Ironic that all we did was battle for 8th with Mac on our team (aside from last year and we benched him for half our playoff games), which is what they're doing right now.
- systemtool

I liked Mac better than Raymond, but not when you compare cap hits.

As for the forth line argument it wont really matter when Bolland smith and Clarkson step in next week. And I don't think Mckegg is going to get called up to play the forth line

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I liked Mac better than Raymond, but not when you compare cap hits.

As for the forth line argument it wont really matter when Bolland smith and Clarkson step in next week. And I don't think Mckegg is going to get called up to play the forth line
- ky678468

It would be foolish to slot in Bolland next week.

Callahan is going to be traded soon, I'm thinking St Louis

I liked Mac better than Raymond, but not when you compare cap hits.

As for the forth line argument it wont really matter when Bolland smith and Clarkson step in next week. And I don't think Mckegg is going to get called up to play the forth line
- ky678468

Well for tomorrows game, it will probably be:

JVR Boz Kess

Lupul Kadri Kul

Raymond Mckegg Ashton

Bodie Mcclement Orr

With bolland, smith still out i think clarkson is still out right? or can he comeback?

Callahan is going to be traded soon, I'm thinking St Louis
- LeafsFan64

Well if the blues get callahan***, its only fair we get girardi

Well if the blues get girardi, its only fair we get girardi
- Mapleleafs_91

I see what u did there....

I miss the old school FF games where you had 3-4 charactors to battle with and some reserves to rotate. The last best FF, turn based, was the one with Cloud, Strife, Barrett, Tifa etc.
- systemtool

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