Over 30? Check.
Can't stay healthy? Check.
Declining production? Check.
Needs humongous-big contract? Check.

It's all but done.
- Tomahawk

now THAT'S funny!!

Coburn and Hartnell for Eberle and either Nurse or Klefbom.

Would Oilers make this trade?
- mickel25

Agree for the most part...there IS a good group of young talent on the big club and some in the lower ranks...I like that Homer hasn't (yet) done desperation trades and giving up the young talent for big money vets...been there, done that...let the youth be served, hold onto the young pieces unless you must trade some to get a young(ish) (on the good side of 30) D stud to add to the team, as this is the area of most need...if they can refresh the top end of the D corps at some point and let the existing young talent continue to develop I think the Flyers window to SC contention will begin to open wider in the next year or two...we have to be patient and avoid reactionary urges to to rip apart the team (especially younger guys) to try and get more short term wins possibly at the expense of longer term team building.
- exlund

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- Feanor

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- Feanor

lol.

Almost nothing. Be nice to have that Downie/Talbot deal back.
- The_Universe

That looks to be a blunder! I'm just not sure if Homer overestimated Downie's real value, or the concussion he had has made him a different (see soft, non aggressive) player. The way he is playing, he won't be back....that's for sure.

- stayinthefnnet

We wish....

Teams that wanted him in the summer: Dallas, St. Louis, Montreal, Anaheim and Toronto.

Since July 1, Dallas traded for Seguin, Toronto re-signed Bozak and are getting Bolland back from IR, and St. Louis and Anaheim are killing it.

That leaves... Montreal. Maybe Bergevin wants to pull another Gainey and trade us a McDonagh?
- Tomahawk

You are on fire with the humorous sarcasm today. I like it!

Maybe I am a lunatic, but why the hell would any team want to touch LeCavalier right now.

The production has been declining, injury issues are surfacing, and his contract isn't exactly friendly.

Put yourself in another team's shoes...
- flyer_nutter

The flyers already have him, so I'm out of ideas

We wish....
- Flyers_V88

im still trying to decide if he was serious or not.

lol.
- Flyers_V88

Spondylolysis

Morin suspended 2 games and fined $250

Morin suspended 2 games and fined $250
- ob18

Figured he'd get a few. The $250 is hilarious considering that in two years he'll make that in one shift.

Figured he'd get a few. The $250 is hilarious considering that in two years he'll make that in one shift.
- jak521

He could sell a hockey stick and still come away with extra cash

Figured he'd get a few. The $250 is hilarious considering that in two years he'll make that in one shift.
- jak521

But right now that's more than he gets paid a month while in juniors

But right now that's more than he gets paid a month while in juniors
- ob18

Oh I know.. I get that their 50 a week stipend is low and that is a big fine by JR standards.. I just think its hilarious in the big picture.

That looks to be a blunder! I'm just not sure if Homer overestimated Downie's real value, or the concussion he had has made him a different (see soft, non aggressive) player. The way he is playing, he won't be back....that's for sure.
- Hokeeguy9

I don't think it was that bad...Downie looked great with Read and Couturier and then had some injury issues and sucked for a while...he seemed to respond to his recent benching and showed some better play since he came back...even last night, he did some good things, along with the not so good things. It seems like no Flyer has been consistently bringing their A game and each has had their time where some fans felt like they sucked and should be traded or whatever...but they usually pull out of it and have some good stretches too...Downie is a good player when he's on his game and I would consider signing him if he's 100% healthy and the money isn't too bad.

The contract is not that bad. And while he might not be a to pline all-star player, he is still an effective 2nd line players, and a good leader and veteran presence. The injuries he has isnt so much wear and tear like knees, and concussions but are freak accidents like broken jaws and a broken back.
- youarewrong

The issues seem to lie with how he is utilized. I'm still trying to figure out why they brought in a center on a team loaded at center, then ask him to play wing!


As for G and Voracek, they seemed to thrive with Jagr. A big guy who as his speed and skills diminish with age, has found a way to be uber valuable to any team he plays on. I'd look for someone in that mold (hard to knock of the puck, wins battles in the corners, and has great vision as a setup man), than a soft, injury prone, me type player. But I must be in the minority.

The issues seem to lie with how he is utilized. I'm still trying to figure out why they brought in a center on a team loaded at center, then ask him to play wing!


As for G and Voracek, they seemed to thrive with Jagr. A big guy who as his speed and skills diminish with age, has found a way to be uber valuable to any team he plays on. I'd look for someone in that mold (hard to knock of the puck, wins battles in the corners, and has great vision as a setup man), than a soft, injury prone, me type player. But I must be in the minority.
- Hokeeguy9

From many of the quotes I seem to remember him expressing his desire to play on G's wing quite often.

I do agree we need to find a place for him.

The issues seem to lie with how he is utilized. I'm still trying to figure out why they brought in a center on a team loaded at center, then ask him to play wing!


As for G and Voracek, they seemed to thrive with Jagr. A big guy who as his speed and skills diminish with age, has found a way to be uber valuable to any team he plays on. I'd look for someone in that mold (hard to knock of the puck, wins battles in the corners, and has great vision as a setup man), than a soft, injury prone, me type player. But I must be in the minority.
- Hokeeguy9

Its was my feeling that with Briere gone, and Schenn and Couturier not having good seasons last year, that there was some concern that 2nd line center wasnt something the Flyers had. I also believe that management thought last year was more fluke then it was the norm for this team... With so many injuries, such a short training camp and busy first half... So the addition on Vinny gave them a 2nd line center they werent sure Schenn was going to be this year.

But with the signing of Vinny... and personally I would keep him... I think now is the perfect oppertunity to make a structural change... Next year you will have Laughton and Cousins also battling for Center spots... The subtraction of Schenn or Couts for similiar young players to fill needs is not a bad thing.... Now if you trade Schenn for someone like Hornton I would freak, but if your getting E.Kane or Yakupov, or some young high potential D, then I look at it as a lateral move to build stability.

Most overrated and overstated thing I tend to read on this board is the fact that the Flyers need a sniper.

We have 6 players with at least 12 goals on this team...
- jak521

Are you trying to say that is good? 55 games and 17 goals is the best we got. At that pace the Flyers leading goal scorer will end the season at 25 Goals.... That is crap compared to 1st line players. Top teams are at the top because they got guys who have 25 goals or more. Anaheim has Perry (29 G) and Getzlaf (26 G), Pittsburgh has Crosby (27) and Kunitz (27), Chicago has Kane (25) Sharp (28). Simmonds is our guy at 17 and on pace for 25 but I doubt he will hit it. Goals win hockey games and in the end your top line has to lead by example.

Are you trying to say that is good? 55 games and 17 goals is the best we got. At that pace the Flyers leading goal scorer will end the season at 25 Goals.... That is crap compared to 1st line players. Top teams are at the top because they got guys who have 25 goals or more. Anaheim has Perry (29 G) and Getzlaf (26 G), Pittsburgh has Crosby (27) and Kunitz (27), Chicago has Kane (25) Sharp (28). Simmonds is our guy at 17 and on pace for 25 but I doubt he will hit it. Goals win hockey games and in the end your top line has to lead by example.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

That is exactly what I am talking about. This team needs top scorers. The other option is to have 7 or so guys on 25+ goal paces. In other words, you would need to count on your 2nd and 3rd line to score a lot more then they currently are.

Are you trying to say that is good? 55 games and 17 goals is the best we got. At that pace the Flyers leading goal scorer will end the season at 25 Goals.... That is crap compared to 1st line players. Top teams are at the top because they got guys who have 25 goals or more. Anaheim has Perry (29 G) and Getzlaf (26 G), Pittsburgh has Crosby (27) and Kunitz (27), Chicago has Kane (25) Sharp (28). Simmonds is our guy at 17 and on pace for 25 but I doubt he will hit it. Goals win hockey games and in the end your top line has to lead by example.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Might not be ideal, but it's not bad either. Considering the dismal offensive output for the first 10 games, the fact that Flyers have 7 10 goal scorers (Coots needs one more to make it 8), I see that as depth. That means 3 lines of forwards are potentially dangerous and can roll them over. Only wish we could have a 4th line, but that's a whole other topic.

I believe the Flyers are the only team with 7 double digit goal scorers. I know the three teams previously mentioned do not.

Might not be ideal, but it's not bad either. Considering the dismal offensive output for the first 10 games, the fact that Flyers have 7 10 goal scorers (Coots needs one more to make it 8), I see that as depth. That means 3 lines of forwards are potentially dangerous and can roll them over. Only wish we could have a 4th line, but that's a whole other topic.

I believe the Flyers are the only team with 7 double digit goal scorers. I know the three teams previously mentioned do not.
- bgratch

Who needs 7 guys getting double digit goals when you have 2 guys suppling almost as much... That means instead of the other players having to worry about scoring they can focus on.... closing the gaps in defense... back checking.... Defense...

Are you trying to say that is good? 55 games and 17 goals is the best we got. At that pace the Flyers leading goal scorer will end the season at 25 Goals.... That is crap compared to 1st line players. Top teams are at the top because they got guys who have 25 goals or more. Anaheim has Perry (29 G) and Getzlaf (26 G), Pittsburgh has Crosby (27) and Kunitz (27), Chicago has Kane (25) Sharp (28). Simmonds is our guy at 17 and on pace for 25 but I doubt he will hit it. Goals win hockey games and in the end your top line has to lead by example.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The Flyers are currently 17th in goals scored. The top 4 teams (Chi, Anaheim, St Louis, and Pitt) are way ahead, then the difference narrows considerably after 5th.

The Flyers are just not very good 5v5. The problem is, the guys who are going to push the Flyers toward the front of the pack aren't available.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/te...t=goals&viewName=goalsFor