Im not saying its not a good return.. Im just saying they need to sure up that spot with definites not maybes...
- jak521

Here is my list of players they should trade.

1. Timmonen-UFA probably not coming back
2. Mezsaros-UFA probably not coming back
3. Downie-UFA probably not coming back

What kind of return would they get for those guys?

None, because they know he's not going anywhere. And he shouldn't.

I've noticed over the years that (most) big, marquee free agents take a year/year and a half to get fully acclimated to new surroundings after spending many years in another location.

I fully expect Lecavlier and Streit to become more comfortable over time, and their play should show that.
- mochoson

I tend to agree with you. I just think he stunting the growth of B Schenn. Schenn prefers center and so does Vinny.

Okay, thought so. I'm done with this blog.

Bill, thanks for being a fantastic writer, I'll continue to read it every day.
- jmatchett383

Noooooo please don't go!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is my list of players they should trade.

1. Timmonen-UFA probably not coming back
2. Mezsaros-UFA probably not coming back
3. Downie-UFA probably not coming back

What kind of return would they get for those guys?
- mickel25

Almost nothing. Be nice to have that Downie/Talbot deal back.

Which teams would have an interest in Vinny?
- mickel25

Teams that wanted him in the summer: Dallas, St. Louis, Montreal, Anaheim and Toronto.

Since July 1, Dallas traded for Seguin, Toronto re-signed Bozak and are getting Bolland back from IR, and St. Louis and Anaheim are killing it.

That leaves... Montreal. Maybe Bergevin wants to pull another Gainey and trade us a McDonagh?

Over 30? Check.
Can't stay healthy? Check.
Declining production? Check.
Needs humongous-big contract? Check.

It's all but done.
- Tomahawk

I knew somethign like that was coming. First to the contract. I dont think he cashes in huge. I think teams will be wary, and if he wants to go to a winning team, then he will have to take a 3-4 year 4.5-5 million deal. I think the Flyers should offer something like a 5.5 million 1 year, show what you can do and get a better contract next year deal...

I just dont think there is much to lose if your not giving him a long contract.

I knew somethign like that was coming. First to the contract. I dont think he cashes in huge. I think teams will be wary, and if he wants to go to a winning team, then he will have to take a 3-4 year 4.5-5 million deal. I think the Flyers should offer something like a 5.5 million 1 year, show what you can do and get a better contract next year deal...

I just dont think there is much to lose if your not giving him a long contract.
- youarewrong

He OK'd getting traded to Columbus... nay, he rejoiced... I don't think he cares too much about winning.

It's UFA and he's a former 40-goal scorer... unless you want to give him a Semin-y $7M dollars, a 1-year offer at a show-me rate is not getting it done.

I knew somethign like that was coming. First to the contract. I dont think he cashes in huge. I think teams will be wary, and if he wants to go to a winning team, then he will have to take a 3-4 year 4.5-5 million deal. I think the Flyers should offer something like a 5.5 million 1 year, show what you can do and get a better contract next year deal...

I just dont think there is much to lose if your not giving him a long contract.
- youarewrong

Gaborik?

I understand that, but adding one player isnt going to put them over the top. What they need is for guys like Couts to take the next step offensively. They need Schenn to keep growing. Right now they have 6 guys that will almost certainly end up scoring 20 plus goals. Thats a great thing to have. Having a 40 goal scorer isnt a common thing. Hell, having a thirty goal scorer isnt really a super common thing. What they need to do is transition their defense to offense. In order to do that they need to add a couple better two way d-men.
- jak521

Like I said earlier, I dont think any part of this team is built with a solid Framework. They have great pieces in Couts and Schenn and G and V. But even if they do become better players, I still dont think they will be the right mix to either outscore the other team, or play strong enough defensively to shut down the other team.

The Flyers need to decide which way they want to go with the team, and get players that will be the foundation of that system... Like Dustin Brown and Mike Richards....

the flyers wanted setoguchi? oh boy

Here is my list of players they should trade.

1. Timmonen-UFA probably not coming back
2. Mezsaros-UFA probably not coming back
3. Downie-UFA probably not coming back

What kind of return would they get for those guys?
- mickel25

Not much. 2nd-3rd if Timonen waives. 7th for Mez, maybe 4th or 5th is Flyers eat salary. And maybe 3rd for Downie.

If they fall out of the playoff race, and I was taking over as GM, I would see what I could get for those guys. Then I would build my team around strong defense with a fast counter attack.

I would probally trade the Schenn Bros, or Couturier... but I think you get more for the brother pair with Bschenn's nice season.

I would probally trade One of Hartnell or Simmonds. Rather do Hartnell if we can get him to waive, but Simmonds would bring back more.

I would rebuild the rest of the defense. Coburn can stay. I think Streit might have to stay.

My first goal would be getting faster forwards and that have decent scoring, but can play 2-way hockey or defenseman that can play 2 ways. Or I'll take draft picks and do my best to fill holes with short term UFAs.

I would make sure my young d-men get a shot to show what they can do, and I'll bring up guys like Cousins, Akeson, and Straka to see how well they play.

Teams that wanted him in the summer: Dallas, St. Louis, Montreal, Anaheim and Toronto.

Since July 1, Dallas traded for Seguin, Toronto re-signed Bozak and are getting Bolland back from IR, and St. Louis and Anaheim are killing it.

That leaves... Montreal. Maybe Bergevin wants to pull another Gainey and trade us a McDonagh?
- Tomahawk

I'd take Diaz and a pick

Teams that wanted him in the summer: Dallas, St. Louis, Montreal, Anaheim and Toronto.

Since July 1, Dallas traded for Seguin, Toronto re-signed Bozak and are getting Bolland back from IR, and St. Louis and Anaheim are killing it.

That leaves... Montreal. Maybe Bergevin wants to pull another Gainey and trade us a McDonagh?
- Tomahawk

Your forgetting Nashville.

Maybe I am a lunatic, but why the hell would any team want to touch LeCavalier right now.

The production has been declining, injury issues are surfacing, and his contract isn't exactly friendly.

Put yourself in another team's shoes...

Like I said earlier, I dont think any part of this team is built with a solid Framework. They have great pieces in Couts and Schenn and G and V. But even if they do become better players, I still dont think they will be the right mix to either outscore the other team, or play strong enough defensively to shut down the other team.

The Flyers need to decide which way they want to go with the team, and get players that will be the foundation of that system... Like Dustin Brown and Mike Richards....
- youarewrong

Well.. G is one of the top point scorers over the past 4 years.. and Couts is one of the best young defensive centers in the game. So both of those guys already accomplish things you dont think they will accomplish. What we need to do is continue developing our other players.. Simmonds is a young stud. Many teams covet a player like that.

We have hope with some guys coming up in the next few years as well..

Some people will be doom and gloom no matter what.. I wont. We have a very good young core to build around.. Hopefully we can find a few diamonds in the rough in the near future.

Maybe I am a lunatic, but why the hell would any team want to touch LeCavalier right now.

The production has been declining, injury issues are surfacing, and his contract isn't exactly friendly.

Put yourself in another team's shoes...
- flyer_nutter

I wonder the same thing.

I think its about time to take timonen off the first power play. He is giving up to many short handed breaks and with any mistakes he just doesnt have the legs to get back. I would also tell him to sit down and not play in the Olympics he is to beat up he could use that time to rest.
- mace14

I couldn't agree more. His play and speed have slipped quite a bit, and I honestly think Mark Streit is a better shooter, passer, and half-court player than Timonen is at this stage of his career. I don't see why Berube loves Kimmo so much on that 1st PP?

Maybe I am a lunatic, but why the hell would any team want to touch LeCavalier right now.

The production has been declining, injury issues are surfacing, and his contract isn't exactly friendly.

Put yourself in another team's shoes...
- flyer_nutter

The contract is not that bad. And while he might not be a to pline all-star player, he is still an effective 2nd line players, and a good leader and veteran presence. The injuries he has isnt so much wear and tear like knees, and concussions but are freak accidents like broken jaws and a broken back.

The contract is not that bad. And while he might not be a to pline all-star player, he is still an effective 2nd line players, and a good leader and veteran presence. The injuries he has isnt so much wear and tear like knees, and concussions but are freak accidents like broken jaws and a broken back.
- youarewrong

The stress fracture in his back is 100% a result of wear and tear. It is a chronic issue not an acute issue.

the flyers wanted setoguchi? oh boy
- 2Real

Ek is extremely reliable

Ek is extremely reliable
- funmaster18

true

Ek is extremely reliable
- funmaster18

I wouldn't give up much of anything to get Seto... What does he offer that we really need? If Chris Stewart is available, I'd prefer to go after him, assuming NYR doesn't offer Callahan...

Well.. G is one of the top point scorers over the past 4 years.. and Couts is one of the best young defensive centers in the game. So both of those guys already accomplish things you dont think they will accomplish. What we need to do is continue developing our other players.. Simmonds is a young stud. Many teams covet a player like that.

We have hope with some guys coming up in the next few years as well..

Some people will be doom and gloom no matter what.. I wont. We have a very good young core to build around.. Hopefully we can find a few diamonds in the rough in the near future.
- jak521

Agree for the most part...there IS a good group of young talent on the big club and some in the lower ranks...I like that Homer hasn't (yet) done desperation trades and giving up the young talent for big money vets...been there, done that...let the youth be served, hold onto the young pieces unless you must trade some to get a young(ish) (on the good side of 30) D stud to add to the team, as this is the area of most need...if they can refresh the top end of the D corps at some point and let the existing young talent continue to develop I think the Flyers window to SC contention will begin to open wider in the next year or two...we have to be patient and avoid reactionary urges to to rip apart the team (especially younger guys) to try and get more short term wins possibly at the expense of longer term team building.

Agree for the most part...there IS a good group of young talent on the big club and some in the lower ranks...I like that Homer hasn't (yet) done desperation trades and giving up the young talent for big money vets...been there, done that...let the youth be served, hold onto the young pieces unless you must trade some to get a young(ish) (on the good side of 30) D stud to add to the team, as this is the area of most need...if they can refresh the top end of the D corps at some point and let the existing young talent continue to develop I think the Flyers window to SC contention will begin to open wider in the next year or two...we have to be patient and avoid reactionary urges to to rip apart the team (especially younger guys) to try and get more short term wins possibly at the expense of longer term team building.
- exlund

BINGO! Its been a common theme that has also been this teams undoing. There are really no quick fixes. But thats actually ok for this team. Let them continue to develop. We need to continue building from the ground up.

The stress fracture in his back is 100% a result of wear and tear. It is a chronic issue not an acute issue.
- jak521

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