Ah yes I see we're back trading Brayden Schenn.

I watched the 3rd period last night. Combine that with the commentary of Bill and other posters, I can comfortably say if the Flyers play the same game they played last night, they'll go on a whole bunch of 6-0-1 stretches.

That's something to hang their hat on against the best team in the NHL playing on their home ice.

Yes, I still believe they take 4 of 6 points in this gauntlet. They'll beat the Kings and the Sharks. Last night reaffirmed that for me.
- Giroux_Is_God

I shouldnt have bit.. but I did.

Most overrated and overstated thing I tend to read on this board is the fact that the Flyers need a sniper.

We have 6 players with at least 12 goals on this team...
- jak521

Sniper + Playmaker + Power Forward = BONUS TIME!!

#ItsInTheGame

Now this is interesting... What about Baertschi and Guedreau plus thier 1st for Schenn bros and our first... Johnny Hockey just might not resign with them, so it would be a good idea IMO.
- youarewrong

Im not totally sold on Guedreau being able to convert his success into NHL success, but it is definitely an interesting thought.

However, If I am giving up both Schenns, I need a projectable top end 2 way d-man coming back.

Sniper + Playmaker + Power Forward = BONUS TIME!!

#ItsInTheGame
- Tomahawk

Even better.. when we had Carter we needed to trade him because he missed the net too much and wasnt a true sniper.

The idea that there are guys out there that can score at will with a quick snap of the wrist is just absurd. There are maybe 4-5 players in the entire league that are pure elite goal scorers... and Stamkos, AO and co. arent getting traded.

I think its about time to take timonen off the first power play. He is giving up to many short handed breaks and with any mistakes he just doesnt have the legs to get back. I would also tell him to sit down and not play in the Olympics he is to beat up he could use that time to rest.

I think its about time to take timonen off the first power play. He is giving up to many short handed breaks and with any mistakes he just doesnt have the legs to get back. I would also tell him to sit down and not play in the Olympics he is to beat up he could use that time to rest.
- mace14

I thought about that before as well. Have Streit move up to the top unit. Adds a different element to that group.

I think I understand what he is saying though... We are stacked at Center. And putting the Schenn Bros up at the draft to everyone might get a better return then if you picked a team and asked for something... Its a sales ploy. Let them come to you and overpay, instead of going to them and asking what they would give you....
- youarewrong

I understand now. However, his original post said "trade the Schenn brothers at the draft." Had he said something like "see what other GM's, such as Burke, would give for the Schenn's", it would have made more sense. Not nitpicking, just getting clarification.

Most overrated and overstated thing I tend to read on this board is the fact that the Flyers need a sniper.

We have 6 players with at least 12 goals on this team...
- jak521

There are literally more then 50 NHL players that have as many or more goals then our top scorer... There are some players that are close to having twice as many goals as our top player. Maybe the word Sniper is wrong... How about Pure goals scorer instead?

"if you have a gripe, and decide to air it out, you better put forth what you consider a workable solution, or you're fired."
- Hokeeguy9

Excellent!

Downie and Raffl have had a hard enough cracking the top-9 lately... trading from a position of need just to add another player to that cluster(frank) doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

If you really want a slow, small, skilled guy, I heard Edmonton is literally giving away Sam Gagner. The contract is similar, but the difference in upside isn't even close.
- Tomahawk

Downie is a fringe 2nd liner-bottom 6 guy. He's been pretty bad for awhile now. Raffl is a rookie, so him bouncing around is too be expected.

You are exactly right though. This forward group is a cluster(frank). It's just not a good mix of players IMO. Basically, I think Hartnell need's to be replaced with a much more skilled player. His 4m+ contract is a burden IMO for what he brings when you think about what we already have on the team.

It doesn't have to be Parenteau, although I think he is definitely a player we could use. I would prefer more of a finisher if were trading for a scorer, yes. But I like the idea of moving Jake away from Giroux. I think they both have the ability to make whoever they play with better. I think seperating them gives the line-up up front much more balance.

The defense is an entirely different animal.....

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- Tomahawk

You could take a chance on Gaborik.
- youarewrong

Now THERES an idea. A risky idea, but an idea I would support for sure.

A healthy season playing with G? Woooooooo

Literally everybody made the list.
- BulliesPhan87

lol

The game last nite was fun to watch as a flyer and a ducks fan living in so cal. The only thing i wished for was that no one got too terribly injured where players miss an extended period of time

Im not totally sold on Guedreau being able to convert his success into NHL success, but it is definitely an interesting thought.

However, If I am giving up both Schenns, I need a projectable top end 2 way d-man coming back.
- jak521

Calgary 1st is either pick 1-4, and there are 2 top projected d-man to go in the top 4.

Even better.. when we had Carter we needed to trade him because he missed the net too much and wasnt a true sniper.

The idea that there are guys out there that can score at will with a quick snap of the wrist is just absurd. There are maybe 4-5 players in the entire league that are pure elite goal scorers... and Stamkos, AO and co. arent getting traded.
- jak521

That is why you try and go after that 2nd teir guy like E.kane or someone with the ability like Yakupov. Or sign someone known to be able to like Gaborik.

And just to add, I liked Carter, and never had an issue if he missed the net. The only shot that never goes in is the one never shot.

Now THERES an idea. A risky idea, but an idea I would support for sure.

A healthy season playing with G? Woooooooo
- mochoson

Over 30? Check.
Can't stay healthy? Check.
Declining production? Check.
Needs humongous-big contract? Check.

It's all but done.

There are literally more then 50 NHL players that have as many or more goals then our top scorer... There are some players that are close to having twice as many goals as our top player. Maybe the word Sniper is wrong... How about Pure goals scorer instead?
- youarewrong

I understand that, but adding one player isnt going to put them over the top. What they need is for guys like Couts to take the next step offensively. They need Schenn to keep growing. Right now they have 6 guys that will almost certainly end up scoring 20 plus goals. Thats a great thing to have. Having a 40 goal scorer isnt a common thing. Hell, having a thirty goal scorer isnt really a super common thing. What they need to do is transition their defense to offense. In order to do that they need to add a couple better two way d-men.

Downie is a fringe 2nd liner-bottom 6 guy. He's been pretty bad for awhile now. Raffl is a rookie, so him bouncing around is too be expected.

You are exactly right though. This forward group is a cluster(frank). It's just not a good mix of players IMO. Basically, I think Hartnell need's to be replaced with a much more skilled player. His 4m+ contract is a burden IMO for what he brings when you think about what we already have on the team.

It doesn't have to be Parenteau, although I think he is definitely a player we could use. I would prefer more of a finisher if were trading for a scorer, yes. But I like the idea of moving Jake away from Giroux. I think they both have the ability to make whoever they play with better. I think seperating them gives the line-up up front much more balance.

The defense is an entirely different animal.....
- mochoson

Which teams would have an interest in Vinny?

That is why you try and go after that 2nd teir guy like E.kane or someone with the ability like Yakupov. Or sign someone known to be able to like Gaborik.

And just to add, I liked Carter, and never had an issue if he missed the net. The only shot that never goes in is the one never shot.
- youarewrong

I definitely wouldn't go after Gaborik, not much different than what we have in VL. A bit younger, but apparently more injury prone.

Calgary 1st is either pick 1-4, and there are 2 top projected d-man to go in the top 4.
- youarewrong

Im not saying its not a good return.. Im just saying they need to sure up that spot with definites not maybes...

That is why you try and go after that 2nd teir guy like E.kane or someone with the ability like Yakupov. Or sign someone known to be able to like Gaborik.

And just to add, I liked Carter, and never had an issue if he missed the net. The only shot that never goes in is the one never shot.
- youarewrong

I wouldnt mind a move like that, but I really think Brayden Schenn has the potential to be a 25-30 goal scorer. Thats a solid player right there... The Yakupov thing is certainly interesting, but I dont know what I would be willing to give up for him..

Over 30? Check.
Can't stay healthy? Check.
Declining production? Check.
Needs humongous-big contract? Check.

It's all but done.
- Tomahawk

Has Homer's name written all over it

Over 30? Check.
Can't stay healthy? Check.
Declining production? Check.
Needs humongous-big contract? Check.

It's all but done.
- Tomahawk

Which teams would have an interest in Vinny?
- mickel25

None, because they know he's not going anywhere. And he shouldn't.

I've noticed over the years that (most) big, marquee free agents take a year/year and a half to get fully acclimated to new surroundings after spending many years in another location.

I fully expect Lecavlier and Streit to become more comfortable over time, and their play should show that.