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hes always hurt and we dont need another player with concussion issues...

I'll bet you have a huge fathead poster of him over your bed
- Bradlee3

How did you know who I was talking about????

How did you know who I was talking about????
- nbartley9

A face only a rabid hyena could love.

Haha, very entertaining thread today. While we are on this topic, I suppose I will throw in my 2 sense. In regards to the Cup or Bust premise, I don't think any 1 season can be viewed that way, nor a coaches or players year viewed that way. But to look at the team overall and to look at them over a 7 season span, starting in the 07'-08' season, like Ryan said this team has been in a position to compete for a Cup every year, with maybe the exception of 10'-11' due to Crosby and Malkin both being hurt, but that is an extremely unfortunate scenario that you can't really plan around. So that is a success to an extent, but I am not going to lie, to look at those 7 years and have 2 Cup appearances and 1 Cup win, it is somewhat disappointing with the team/players we have. So I wouldn't be opposed to a big change to the core if we don't at least make the Cup this year, and by big change I don't think you need to move multiple people for Shero to get his point across to the rest of the team. I think you move one piece of the core and hope the rest of the core realizes they need to change some things. I don't move Crosby obviously, and I don't move Malkin. I am looking at either Neal or Letang to move, preferably Letang, for a few reasons. Letang is the bigger cap hit going forward and we have tons of defense in the pipeline, not saying any one of them can replace everything brings, but there is absolutely nobody in the pipeline to replace a fraction of what Neal brings. You also use moving Letang as a chance to sit down with Neal and tell him he needs to learn some discipline when he is playing. Neal and Letang are ridiculous with the retaliating and stupid penalties. So whichever one you move you tell the other one to straighten up, discipline wise. Sorry for the longwinded comment.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I wouldn't trade Geno for Stamkos. I watch Geno on a nightly basis and I believe he is the 2nd best player in the world. I see things he can do that even Sid can't. And I'm by no means a big Geno fan.
- dbell646

This
look at his points per game. Even if the pens lose in the 1st round he's not being traded... no one will give you equal value (tampa is not trading stamkos for Malkin, neither is Pittsburgh)
In addition I ve been highly critical of Bylsma at times, he should not be fired after this season no matter what... Perhaps he's put on notice if they lose first round.

Haha, very entertaining thread today. While we are on this topic, I suppose I will throw in my 2 sense. In regards to the Cup or Bust premise, I don't think any 1 season can be viewed that way, nor a coaches or players year viewed that way. But to look at the team overall and to look at them over a 7 season span, starting in the 07'-08' season, like Ryan said this team has been in a position to compete for a Cup every year, with maybe the exception of 10'-11' due to Crosby and Malkin both being hurt, but that is an extremely unfortunate scenario that you can't really plan around. So that is a success to an extent, but I am not going to lie, to look at those 7 years and have 2 Cup appearances and 1 Cup win, it is somewhat disappointing with the team/players we have. So I wouldn't be opposed to a big change to the core if we don't at least make the Cup this year, and by big change I don't think you need to move multiple people for Shero to get his point across to the rest of the team. I think you move one piece of the core and hope the rest of the core realizes they need to change some things. I don't move Crosby obviously, and I don't move Malkin. I am looking at either Neal or Letang to move, preferably Letang, for a few reasons. Letang is the bigger cap hit going forward and we have tons of defense in the pipeline, not saying any one of them can replace everything brings, but there is absolutely nobody in the pipeline to replace a fraction of what Neal brings. You also use moving Letang as a chance to sit down with Neal and tell him he needs to learn some discipline when he is playing. Neal and Letang are ridiculous with the retaliating and stupid penalties. So whichever one you move you tell the other one to straighten up, discipline wise. Sorry for the longwinded comment.
- PensFan1103

PensFan you gave the exact reason why I'd rather move Letang (1st) or Neal (2nd). They have tons of value and could bring interesting assets to this team. Plus you'd be making your point.

We aren't far from contending "for real" again.

There's no imperative to move big pieces for next year, because the cap is going up. They can rebuild the 3rd line and general forward depth just fine, with their stars all returning.

You don't win now by getting rid of your best players. If it's win now, you trade your prospect and draft picks.

Those poll results have got to be filled with Flyers fans because both results couldn't be more of base. This team needs a guy like Ott, we cant and wont win without players like him on our team. This team is not constructed (currently) to be successful in the playoffs.


Bottom line is this year the Pens have to win the Cup, if they don't 2 things should happen Bylsma should instantly be fired and the team should be blown up, and I mean totally blown up; meaning Letang and Geno both find new homes. The time for this team is now and we have already wasted way too many of Sid and Geno's prime years by losing in the playoffs.
- nbartley9

Trading malkin would just be stupid there is no offer out there that would net us equal value. Letang should be gone before the deadline IMO but I don't think that will happen.

On Cammalleri and TJ Galiardi, from the Flames board:

Galiardi has been a bit of a disappointment to be honest, his play has picked up a bit as of late but he doesn't seem to be able to put the puck in the back of the net. Lots of effort and good speed, but needs to find a scoring touch.

Cammalleri is not lighting it up as most people probably would have hoped but then again he's a top talent with no support. He's a sniper and isn't the best defensively but he's also not a liability. Got speed and a wicked shot but again, he needs somebody to get him the puck (like he had with Tanguay). He can play on a team's top line or second line and i'm pretty sure he's played every forward position.
- Talking_hockey1


Ya, Cammi in Pit would rock; he would have the people to set him up for his snipe. I don't think Pit would want Gali.

That said, Dumoulin or Samuelsson would be good pieces to deal for a guy like Cammalleri. He would thrive on a line with Sid/Kuni.

With Staal gone, there is no reason to trade Malkin. I threw the idea around when we had the big 3 and Letang was looking like a superstar, but not today. Pens need a legit top 6, move Duper to the 3rd where he belongs, maybe another solid 3rd liner and the team is set (if healthy). Letang, Orpik or Nisk will not all be around next season, someone will be out. I don't follow the rest of the league much any more so my speculations as to who the Pens could bring in are useless.

Also, I hope Jussi stays, I love how well he plays to his level and the effort he puts in.

Trading malkin would just be stupid there is no offer out there that would net us equal value. Letang should be gone before the deadline IMO but I don't think that will happen.
- Genev21

I got to admit I don't want to trade Geno, I would be furious. I was just trying to get the ball rolling today.

On the other hand I will stand by my comment to the bitter end.

On Cammalleri and TJ Galiardi, from the Flames board:

Galiardi has been a bit of a disappointment to be honest, his play has picked up a bit as of late but he doesn't seem to be able to put the puck in the back of the net. Lots of effort and good speed, but needs to find a scoring touch.

Cammalleri is not lighting it up as most people probably would have hoped but then again he's a top talent with no support. He's a sniper and isn't the best defensively but he's also not a liability. Got speed and a wicked shot but again, he needs somebody to get him the puck (like he had with Tanguay). He can play on a team's top line or second line and i'm pretty sure he's played every forward position.
- Talking_hockey1


Ya, Cammi in Pit would rock; he would have the people to set him up for his snipe. I don't think Pit would want Gali.

That said, Dumoulin or Samuelsson would be good pieces to deal for a guy like Cammalleri. He would thrive on a line with Sid/Kuni.
- Orpik44

Cammi would be sweet on the Pens, and I think he would yield even less. He just came off a concussion. Love that guys shot!

Cammi would be sweet on the Pens, and I think he would yield even less. He just came off a concussion. Love that guys shot!
- sammy87

They are saying Dumoulin+2nd RP but I found that too much...plus we don't have our 2nd this year.

I'd part with Dumoulin for him...no high picks added.

If you want an example of musical coaches and blowing up a team only to find it blowing up in your face, look no further than the Craps.

IMO, this team needs more size and scoring in the bottom 6 forwards. If, and only if Dupuis did not go down I would say top 6 are fine. Unfortunately he did go down. So we are a weakened team.

We all knew coming in with the cap it was going to be a tough year to go all the way and the injuries are only going to make it more difficult. Shero will try but he is not a magician. I will say, I did not expect Vokoun to come back. That dude is very talented and hungry to win and go all the way, whatever it takes. If the team would respond and do it for him it could create an interesting dynamic.

I would not trade Malkin and Barley has his head further up you know where today more than usual. No offense, just acknowledging your just being a pot stirrer today. Maybe you would be better off smoking it instead of stirring it.

If you want an example of musical coaches and blowing up a team only to find it blowing up in your face, look no further than the Craps.

IMO, this team needs more size and scoring in the bottom 6 forwards. If, and only if Dupuis did not go down I would say top 6 are fine. Unfortunately he did go down. So we are a weakened team.

We all knew coming in with the cap it was going to be a tough year to go all the way and the injuries are only going to make it more difficult. Shero will try but he is not a magician. I will say, I did not expect Vokoun to come back. That dude is very talented and hungry to win and go all the way, whatever it takes. If the team would respond and do it for him it could create an interesting dynamic.

I would not trade Malkin and Barley has his head further up you know where today more than usual. No offense, just acknowledging your just being a pot stirrer today. Maybe you would be better off smoking it instead of stirring it.
- powerhouse

Are you out of your tree sir??!!!!
(anyone that can tell me what movie that is from, would be insanely impressive)

I don't want to trade Geno, but if we don't win the Cup this year, changes must be made; and drastic ones. Going by your Caps example, good ole Brucey had to go, Ovie along with most of the rest of the team tuned him out. It didn't matter if he was Badger Bob, if your team stops responding to you your time is up. That's what I fear is Bylsma's playoff problem, the guys like him so much and feel like he is their buddy that they do not take him seriously anymore. Its like he is just another player on the team.

Are you out of your tree sir??!!!!
(anyone that can tell me what movie that is from, would be insanely impressive)

I don't want to trade Geno, but if we don't win the Cup this year, changes must be made; and drastic ones. Going by your Caps example, good ole Brucey had to go, Ovie along with most of the rest of the team tuned him out. It didn't matter if he was Badger Bob, if your team stops responding to you your time is up. That's what I fear is Bylsma's playoff problem, the guys like him so much and feel like he is their buddy that they do not take him seriously anymore. Its like he is just another player on the team.
- nbartley9

The Flyers blew it up too and look at them.

Sid and Geno stay!

Kris and James would have to go first.

p.s. I don't see you trying to trade Sutter anymore Barts

I can think of 25 teams that would LOVE to have the Penguins roster.

The Flyers blew it up too and look at them.

Sid and Geno stay!

Kris and James would have to go first.

p.s. I don't see you trying to trade Sutter anymore Barts
- Orpik44

The real issue with the Flyers was the signing of Bryzgalov, the subsequent trading of JvR for Schenn, while allowing Carle and Jagr to walk while waiting on Weber/Parise/Suter. That was just a year's worth of a cluster(frank).

The Flyers blew it up too and look at them.

Sid and Geno stay!

Kris and James would have to go first.

p.s. I don't see you trying to trade Sutter anymore Barts
- Orpik44

I said take him behind the old barn and put him out of his misery.

Terrifyingly so he is our 2nd best bottom 6 player currently, and that is not a compliment at all. (also that's when Sill is out of the lineup)

Are you out of your tree sir??!!!!
(anyone that can tell me what movie that is from, would be insanely impressive)

I don't want to trade Geno, but if we don't win the Cup this year, changes must be made; and drastic ones. Going by your Caps example, good ole Brucey had to go, Ovie along with most of the rest of the team tuned him out. It didn't matter if he was Badger Bob, if your team stops responding to you your time is up. That's what I fear is Bylsma's playoff problem, the guys like him so much and feel like he is their buddy that they do not take him seriously anymore. Its like he is just another player on the team.
- nbartley9

I agree, but I think you need to go further. The Penguins have to trade Geno, Letang, Neal, Dupuis, Kunitz, Sid, Martin, Scuderi, the team equipment guy who has been there since the 90's and Jeff Jimmerson if they don't win the Cup. All of 'em.

You know what? After I re-read that, still not drastic enough. If the Penguins don't win the Cup by the trade deadline this year, then a message needs to be sent.

EDIT: Also fire Bylsma & hunt his family down like in the Hunger games, raze Console Energy Center to the ground, and detonate a 10-megaton nuclear bomb at the point. Yeah, that all feels right to me.

The real issue with the Flyers was the signing of Bryzgalov, the subsequent trading of JvR for Schenn, while allowing Carle and Jagr to walk while waiting on Weber/Parise/Suter. That was just a year's worth of a cluster(frank).
- jmatchett383

That's it, I have decided, I want Jagr back. I don't care what it takes get #68 back in the Burgh.

So it looks like apparently we are trading everyone. Outstanding.

I agree, but I think you need to go further. The Penguins have to trade Geno, Letang, Neal, Dupuis, Kunitz, Sid, Martin, Scuderi, the team equipment guy who has been there since the 90's and Jeff Jimmerson if they don't win the Cup. All of 'em.

You know what? After I re-read that, still not drastic enough. If the Penguins don't win the Cup by the trade deadline this year, then a message needs to be sent.

EDIT: Also fire Bylsma & hunt his family down like in the Hunger games, raze Console Energy Center to the ground, and detonate a 10-megaton nuclear bomb at the point. Yeah, that all feels right to me.
- s0rcerer1984

The state of the team is so bad, I wish Darren McCord would have just let Joshua Foss blow up the Civic Arena instead of getting in the way.

The real issue with the Flyers was the signing of Bryzgalov, the subsequent trading of JvR for Schenn, while allowing Carle and Jagr to walk while waiting on Weber/Parise/Suter. That was just a year's worth of a cluster(frank).
- jmatchett383

J I also heard that Lecavalier is not doing that great. I think coach has been playing him at wing or something like that and he's not producing as well as @ C. Berube also ripped Mezsaros defensive game. That's not a good atmosphere to be in.

I said take him behind the old barn and put him out of his misery.

Terrifyingly so he is our 2nd best bottom 6 player currently, and that is not a compliment at all. (also that's when Sill is out of the lineup)
- nbartley9

wow...your dislike for Sutter is amazing

As for SILL, I think he could be up for good. The guy is a warrior and is a perfect fit for our 4th line.