Yeah, for sure. But really, every passionate fanbase has it's overreactions.
- Nucker101

The problem with overreactions is that most just want change for the sake of change which is rarely a good thing.

They were/are both seasons in which the club has been handcuffed financially. It should come as no surprise to any fan that saw the cap drop that this has happened.
- golfingsince

Gillis played a part in that though, and other teams have the same cap to work with. But it's hard to know for sure...who knows what would have happened if Booth was able to be bought out and if Detroit matched MG's asking price and Edler got traded.

Yeah, for sure. But really, every passionate fanbase has it's overreactions.
- Nucker101

Passionate...fickle...?

I'd say even fair-weather...

They were/are both seasons in which the club has been handcuffed financially. It should come as no surprise to any fan that saw the cap drop that this has happened.
- golfingsince

start Trading off the core group..not them all....but a few...waive their NTC...

The problem with overreactions is that most just want change for the sake of change which is rarely a good thing.
- golfingsince

Meh, with this core, I think one of the guys has to be moved this summer(by core, I'm including the NTC guys that are top 4 D or top 6 F). If this team had one of the better cores of young players coming up then you could afford to stay patient, but with an older team/core and a not so strong farm system...you kind of have to make a few significant moves.

Passionate...fickle...?

I'd say even fair-weather...
- Fosco

You should read the boards of other team's fanbases during a losing streak, it's all the same IMO.

You should read the boards of other team's fanbases during a losing streak, it's all the same IMO.
- Nucker101

This is very true.

It's not like a reset can take place within an offseason or two.

It's not a rebuild on speed—it can take just as long, it's just not as drastic.

You guys all laugh at "the process" like it's some cliché, but that's exactly what it is...

This season was always a throw-away.
- Fosco

You are absolutely right Fosco. We all knew this team was not going to contend. My biggest concern is that I can't figure out what Gillis's options are to improve the situation.

Meh, with this core, I think one of the guys has to be moved this summer(by core, I'm including the NTC guys that are top 4 D or top 6 F). If this team had one of the better cores of young players coming up then you could afford to stay patient, but with an older team/core and a not so strong farm system...you kind of have to make a few significant moves.
- Nucker101

The biggest problem that we have is the definition of core. Most team have 5-8 guys are core and the rest are available for trade to improve the team. Canucks have 11-12 guys as core that makes only bottom 6 and 3rd pairing D as trade bait. Unfortunately Milbury is no longer a GM that will take 3rd and 4th liners for top 6 return. We need to redefine our core and make players expendable if they are not part of the team trajectory.

All the memories of 2010 from last night have left me feeling blue today.

My mopey new blog is up...

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=57613

The biggest problem that we have is the definition of core. Most team have 5-8 guys are core and the rest are available for trade to improve the team. Canucks have 11-12 guys as core that makes only bottom 6 and 3rd pairing D as trade bait. Unfortunately Milbury is no longer a GM that will take 3rd and 4th liners for top 6 return. We need to redefine our core and make players expendable if they are not part of the team trajectory.
- Linden_4_Capt

I have to agree, and trading a away a young guy like Tanev or trading away a 1st rounder instead of one of the core guys is not the way to go. Gotta keep guys like Kassian/Tanev/Horvat/Shinkaruk/Corrado since this team needs to build up a decent pool of young talent since right now they're not an elite team. The teams with the best cap management usually have multiple young player son bargain deals so having a strong group of young players is a must.

I'm all for a re-tool, not a rebuild. The smart move is to trade away a replaceable asset at the TDL for a pick/prospect at the TDL this year IMO.

You are absolutely right Fosco. We all knew this team was not going to contend. My biggest concern is that I can't figure out what Gillis's options are to improve the situation.
- fiveandagame

I don't see a lot of options until the summer, unfortunately.

Even then, MG is gonna be in tough...

I don't see a lot of options until the summer, unfortunately.

Even then, MG is gonna be in tough...
- Fosco

Trading an Edler for some help up front and buying out Booth would be a good start. Use that feed up money to sign a decent forward and try to actually ice 3 capable lines. Evander Kane and ROR are pipedreams, and highly unlike moves but a guy like Brayden Schenn maybe in an Edler deal would be ideal if Philly is willing to consider.

So if he is in the hot seat who the hell do they bring in to replace him? Is there a better guy out there right now?

I need to let this season play out before I jump off the MG train. Good and bad he has done more good than bad and that is a fact not an opinion.
- thundachunk

Well at this point, anyone.

I don't see a lot of options until the summer, unfortunately.

Even then, MG is gonna be in tough...
- Fosco

Exactly. I wouldn't be so concerned if the Core wasn't having such a bad year. Burrows is goal less, the twins are looking at season low numbers in 10 years, Kesler will be lucky to get 25 goals. The "top 4" D men have all had inconsistent seasons so far.

On the positive side Tanev, Stanton, Kassian, Santorelli and Richardson have all been pleasant surprises.

Trading an Edler for some help up front and buying out Booth would be a good start. Use that feed up money to sign a decent forward and try to actually ice 3 capable lines. Evander Kane and ROR are pipedreams, and highly unlike moves but a guy like Brayden Schenn maybe in an Edler deal would be ideal if Philly is willing to consider.
- Nucker101

Edler has zero value, he'd have to be packaged with picks to get anything in return.

Edler has zero value, he'd have to be packaged with picks to get anything in return.
- Scooby_Doo

Gagner straight up

Gagner straight up
- hugefemale dog77

Only if you're talking about Dave... He'd be the key piece in the deal.

Gagner straight up
- hugefemale dog77

Scooy's trolling his own fanbase now.

Only if you're talking about Dave... He'd be the key piece in the deal.
- Scooby_Doo

I have no problem adding dave in the package

Scooy's trolling his own fanbase now.
- Nucker101

I'm being realistic. Who would want a 5million dollar dman who's -20 on the year?

Guys are talking about blowing it up and building around Horvat ...he hasn't done poop. We'd be better off building around Kassian. Give him some line mates and he'd score 40.

I'm being realistic. Who would want a 5million dollar dman who's -20 on the year?

Guys are talking about blowing it up and building around Horvat ...he hasn't done poop. We'd be better off building around Kassian. Give him some line mates and he'd score 40.
- Scooby_Doo

This. I'll eat my poop if he becomes a 1A C in this league.

I'm being realistic. Who would want a 5million dollar dman who's -20 on the year?

Guys are talking about blowing it up and building around Horvat ...he hasn't done poop. We'd be better off building around Kassian. Give him some line mates and he'd score 40.
- Scooby_Doo

He has value, but it's definitely taken a hit.

Horvat projects to be a nice 2LC so he's a nice piece for the future but I doubt he'll be a franchise player unless he exceeds expectations big time. As GS mentioned, if Bieksa has a decent amount of more value than Edler and is willing to move then I'd deal him.

He has value, but it's definitely taken a hit.

Horvat projects to be a nice 2LC so he's a nice piece for the future but I doubt he'll be a franchise player unless he exceeds expectations big time. As GS mentioned, if Bieksa has a decent amount of more value than Edler and is willing to move then I'd deal him.
- Nucker101

Only thing is Colorado traded Stewart and Shattenkirk for a similar player in Johnson. So here's to hoping they trade us ROR and Elliott for Edler.

Only thing is Colorado traded Stewart and Shattenkirk for a similar player in Johnson. So here's to hoping they trade us ROR and Elliott for Edler.
- Scooby_Doo

I'd target the Islanders. Snow seems like a complete moron.