wow. sharks must be (frank)ing pissed.....59 save shutout

wow. sharks must be (frank)ing pissed.....59 save shutout
- RileyB77

I just saw a Drouin for O'Reily proposal in the avs board...

I just saw a Drouin for O'Reily proposal in the avs board...
- Icegirl94

that's just......no

- Icegirl94

why is that his nickname?? is it because he had musical masterpieces written on his helmet? that's what I heard but don't really know...maybe I just sounded stupid :O

oh...shakespear quotes...got it

this is complete BS man, have some respect....your team just got brutally outplayed by ours and you're talking about best of 7's being a cake walk...come on now,

I have a completely different view, as I think a first round vs the Leafs would be a joke, bring on the 2nd round in 4...ill take the way we played against you over the way you played against us 8 days a week, that series would be 4-0 / 4-1 my friend...bernier could steal you another one..

you won 1 game and we have what, 4?5? left...let's just see how the rest of them pan out before we start disrespecting each other , holy (frank)

you have no idea who its a testament towards, or else you wouldn't be so oblivious saying its only our coach marty and bishop...i dont need to say anymore than that, because everyone in tampa knows what our team is made of and i dont need to list it off you basically support us, by telling us we have an offensive output from various different guys...isn't that what playoff teams are all about? depth scoring? depth production? depth rosters filled with people of versatality
- RileyB77

ooooh, testy, testy.....

Relax, man. You need to learn how to take an opposing fan's point of view without getting so agitated. I'm not trying to make a personal attack against your beloved Bolts. In fact, I did my best to call out your team's strengths. Namely, your goaltending, coaching, and team leader. But you DO lack high-end talent. That's a fact. Yet you keep whining and crying when I point it out

You seem to have some decent depth. The vast majority of your forwards are 3rd / 4th line talents that seem to gel. And while depth is important in the playoffs, high-end talent is what wins cups. Leafs have it, which is why you lost to them on Tuesday night, and will continue to lose to them more often than not in big games

why is that his nickname?? is it because he had musical masterpieces written on his helmet? that's what I heard but don't really know...maybe I just sounded stupid :O

oh...shakespear quotes...got it
- RileyB77

he is a Cornell grad...smart guy I guess.

ooooh, testy, testy.....

Relax, man. You need to learn how to take an opposing fan's point of view without getting so agitated. I'm not trying to make a personal attack against your beloved Bolts. In fact, I did my best to call out your team's strengths. Namely, your goaltending, coaching, and team leader. But you DO lack high-end talent. That's a fact. Yet you keep whining and crying when I point it out

You seem to have some decent depth. The vast majority of your forwards are 3rd / 4th line talents that seem to gel. And while depth is important in the playoffs, high-end talent is what wins cups. Leafs have it, which is why you lost to them on Tuesday night, and will continue to lose to them more often than not in big games
- AxlRose91

this is a false fact. stamkos, st Louis, hedman, kucherov , filppula. what do you have? kessel? lupul? that's as far as it goes...JVR a top tier talent? id be doubtin it...agree 2 disagree, that's all

[quote=RileyB77]

The issue with the guys screaming advanced stats show that the Leafs are a poopty team, and will collapse any day now is that over the last two seasons (last year and this year) they have played 103 games and have a 54-38-11 record. Not amazing, but a winning, bottom playoff spot record, despite being out corsied many of those games.

So the question becomes, how big of a sample size is needed to provide evidence that maybe their system and players do work against the corsi/fenwick models?

How about the title of the blog? Isn't that a reference to Bernier being the only reason for the Leafs' win?

Yeah, anytime someone disagrees with you about your team's skill level, that must mean they know nothing about hockey. Intelligent statement, bud. You're getting decent production from a variety of different guys, but let's be honest. Who do you have up front right now beyond St Louis? Filpulla? Malone? Purcell? Not exactly top tier guys

I'm shocked at how well you guys have done this year with such a group of pluggers. It's a testament to your coach and your goalie. And obviously St Louis, who is a beauty. But a team with high end talent is gonna walk all over you in the playoffs. I'm praying that the Leafs draw Tampa in the first round. Would be a cakewalk
- AxlRose91

Malone is playing on our 4th line so his presence in your skill player list is a non-factor. My point was he said the Bolts don't have a lot of skill players which is a false statement. The only drawback you can draw from the Bolts current roster is youth. With upwards of 10+ rookies playing or having played for us this year we have a lot of youth. But does that youth mean we don't have skill? Well if you believe that then by all means keep on believing. I can tell you that Palat, Killorn, Kucherov, Brown, and Johnson all have plenty of skill. And again they are all rookies. Will they get even better with experience, more than likely. But again does that mean they don't have skill right now? So now I will ask, whose the one making "intelligent statements bud" when you refer to a 4th liner as one of our offensive mainstays

Malone is playing on our 4th line so his presence in your skill player list is a non-factor. My point was he said the Bolts don't have a lot of skill players which is a false statement. The only drawback you can draw from the Bolts current roster is youth. With upwards of 10+ rookies playing or having played for us this year we have a lot of youth. But does that youth mean we don't have skill? Well if you believe that then by all means keep on believing. I can tell you that Palat, Killorn, Kucherov, Brown, and Johnson all have plenty of skill. And again they are all rookies. Will they get even better with experience, more than likely. But again does that mean they don't have skill right now? So now I will ask, whose the one making "intelligent statements bud" when you refer to a 4th liner as one of our offensive mainstays
- uf1910

I don't want to be blunt here, but I fear it's the only way....

Can you read? I cited St Louis as your only high-end player up front. Malone was brought up as one of the players who would fall under the category of "not exactly top-tier talent"

Soooo.....kinda makes your entire comment irrelevant

[quote=RileyB77]


Hahaha....a "false fact", huh? That's what the guys who actually graduated from your high school would call an "oxymoron"

Sorry bud, you made it too easy for me....

The issue with the guys screaming advanced stats show that the Leafs are a poopty team, and will collapse any day now is that over the last two seasons (last year and this year) they have played 103 games and have a 54-38-11 record. Not amazing, but a winning, bottom playoff spot record, despite being out corsied many of those games.

So the question becomes, how big of a sample size is needed to provide evidence that maybe their system and players do work against the corsi/fenwick models?
- vermie22

When Bernier plays like he did the other night the Leafs will win more than they lose. But the style currently employed by the Leafs doesn't leave a lot of margin for error. The offensive players better bury the chances they get (which they did against the Bolts) and the tender better stand on his head (which Bernier did). You Leafs fans act like others pointing out that those things need to happen for the Leafs to win means we are saying your collapse is imminent, which is not the case. We are simply pointing out that those things need to happen for the Leafs to win and if they stop happening then your collapse is imminent.

Hahaha....a "false fact", huh? That's what the guys who actually graduated from your high school would call an "oxymoron"

Sorry bud, you made it too easy for me....
- AxlRose91

Okay, lol..I guess guys who graduate from highschool wouldn't make a sentence that included them either...

I don't want to be blunt here, but I fear it's the only way....

Can you read? I cited St Louis as your only high-end player up front. Malone was brought up as one of the players who would fall under the category of "not exactly top-tier talent"

Soooo.....kinda makes your entire comment irrelevant
- AxlRose91

So who is all the top end talent you are talking about playing for Toronto?? Kessel is the only one I would consider top end talent. Lupul? JVR? Give me a break. You are starting a guy in Ashton that couldn't crack top minutes in our minor league system, BEFORE our minor league system was something to talk about. Keep believing the Toronto Sun propaganda that Toronto is a playoff contender. It's allright with us.

I don't want to be blunt here, but I fear it's the only way....

Can you read? I cited St Louis as your only high-end player up front. Malone was brought up as one of the players who would fall under the category of "not exactly top-tier talent"

Soooo.....kinda makes your entire comment irrelevant
- AxlRose91

terrible..you're oblivious

ooooh, testy, testy.....

Relax, man. You need to learn how to take an opposing fan's point of view without getting so agitated. I'm not trying to make a personal attack against your beloved Bolts. In fact, I did my best to call out your team's strengths. Namely, your goaltending, coaching, and team leader. But you DO lack high-end talent. That's a fact. Yet you keep whining and crying when I point it out

You seem to have some decent depth. The vast majority of your forwards are 3rd / 4th line talents that seem to gel. And while depth is important in the playoffs, high-end talent is what wins cups. Leafs have it, which is why you lost to them on Tuesday night, and will continue to lose to them more often than not in big games
- AxlRose91

l to the o to the l

I don't want to be blunt here, but I fear it's the only way....

Can you read? I cited St Louis as your only high-end player up front. Malone was brought up as one of the players who would fall under the category of "not exactly top-tier talent"

Soooo.....kinda makes your entire comment irrelevant
- AxlRose91

Yet still no mention of any of the rookies I listed. Again, whether referring to that statement or the one that started this entire conversation you guys said the Bolts lacked high-end talent which points to either lack of knowledge or ignorance outside of Toronto. Again, Kucherov, Brown, Palat, Killorn, and TJ all have plenty of offensive talent and have proven that not only in Q or in the AHL but has also parlayed that into the NHL. Yet none of those players are mentioned. Instead you throw Malone in there as proof that the Bolts don't have high-end talent. Well wouldn't the fact that he is on our 4th line show that maybe the Bolts do have some talent which has pushed him to the 4th line in the first place? So actually it doesn't make my argument irrelevant. The fact he is on our 4th line means we have talent playing on our scoring lines.

Yet still no mention of any of the rookies I listed. Again, whether referring to that statement or the one that started this entire conversation you guys said the Bolts lacked high-end talent which points to either lack of knowledge or ignorance outside of Toronto. Again, Kucherov, Brown, Palat, Killorn, and TJ all have plenty of offensive talent and have proven that not only in Q or in the AHL but has also parlayed that into the NHL. Yet none of those players are mentioned. Instead you throw Malone in there as proof that the Bolts don't have high-end talent. Well wouldn't the fact that he is on our 4th line show that maybe the Bolts do have some talent which has pushed him to the 4th line in the first place? So actually it doesn't make my argument irrelevant. The fact he is on our 4th line means we have talent playing on our scoring lines.
- uf1910

Toronto has 1 guy with over 50 points...2nd? 41...pretty similar to tampa...so I don't know where the (frank) all these top tier superstars are within torontos system

Hahaha....a "false fact", huh? That's what the guys who actually graduated from your high school would call an "oxymoron"

Sorry bud, you made it too easy for me....
- AxlRose91

I wouldn't have to claim a "fact" as false if the guy making up these "facts" had any sense of idea what tampa bay is about...you clearly have no clue who our lineup even consists of without looking it up...you can probably name stamkos st Louis Purcell and Malone...

I don't want to be blunt here, but I fear it's the only way....

Can you read? I cited St Louis as your only high-end player up front. Malone was brought up as one of the players who would fall under the category of "not exactly top-tier talent"

Soooo.....kinda makes your entire comment irrelevant
- AxlRose91

I really hope you meant that as in the line up presently.

terrible..you're oblivious
- RileyB77

Wow, you guys really have your panties in a bunch over this, huh?

All fans have a tendency to fall in love with their own players. I get that. You're living in your little Tampa Bay bubble, and you find it completely outrageous that anyone would ever dare to claim that Radko Gudas and Ondrej Palat aren't future Hall of Famers

All I'm doing is providing some honest outside perspective. But you guys are refusing to hear it. Which is fine. You're homers, and homers are expected to be a bit delusional

Wow, you guys really have your panties in a bunch over this, huh?

All fans have a tendency to fall in love with their own players. I get that. You're living in your little Tampa Bay bubble, and you find it completely outrageous that anyone would ever dare to claim that Radko Gudas and Ondrej Palat aren't future Hall of Famers

All I'm doing is providing some honest outside perspective. But you guys are refusing to hear it. Which is fine. You're homers, and homers are expected to be a bit delusional
- AxlRose91

Sounds a bit hypocritical but I do agree to an extent. Although you have to expect that saying a vague statement like St.Louis is our only high end talent up front will get some sort of response...should know better.

It's like going into pits boards and saying Crosby is there only high end forward.

Wow, you guys really have your panties in a bunch over this, huh?

All fans have a tendency to fall in love with their own players. I get that. You're living in your little Tampa Bay bubble, and you find it completely outrageous that anyone would ever dare to claim that Radko Gudas and Ondrej Palat aren't future Hall of Famers

All I'm doing is providing some honest outside perspective. But you guys are refusing to hear it. Which is fine. You're homers, and homers are expected to be a bit delusional
- AxlRose91

And how many future All of Famers are on Toronto's lineup? Huh, ZERO!

And how many future All of Famers are on Toronto's lineup? Huh, ZERO!
- TBolts4

Bad comeback. All he said was Palat and Gudas aren't future hall of famers. Which isn't wrong...