Miller for Ovi clearly....
as we need to get to the cap floor next year. Also included,Chimera, Holtby and a 1st rounder. The Capitals generous package includes, Ville Leino, Mikhail Grigorenko and a conditional 7th rounders in 2017. Miller's wife is retained by the Sabres as an Icegirl through 2016 with Garth headed the other way to act as Valet to the former Sabres and stand-up comedian on the Capitals Team flights.

C'mon Murray, get this done. We shall not be fleeced!

- notalent

So you screw up resigning him and we pay for your lack of negotiating skills , Yeah right!


- Maximum Signal

I think this is close to fair...to make the pick conditional, like a second rounder if he doesn't sign or make the conference finals. Rattie, Halak, Conditional 1st......

I think this is close to fair...to make the pick conditional, like a second rounder if he doesn't sign or make the conference finals. Rattie, Halak, Conditional 1st......
- notalent

You also have not considered how late in the round their pick is. Let's say they try to low ball Miller offer wise . Hardly fair . Just give us picks non conditional . Cannot bank on someone else's skills at negotiating or lack of . Do not want Halak either . He can be dealt elsewhere .

I think this is close to fair...to make the pick conditional, like a second rounder if he doesn't sign or make the conference finals. Rattie, Halak, Conditional 1st......
- notalent

Final offer, since you demand conditions...
Miller for Ty Rattie.
If blues make it to the Conference finals...then your 1st in 2015
If blues win the cup, above plus Tarasenko.
And if you do win the cup, for sure Millers resigns and your good positioned for a repeat.

Final offer, since you demand conditions...
Miller for Ty Rattie.
If blues make it to the Conference finals...then your 1st in 2015
If blues win the cup, above plus Tarasenko.
And if you do win the cup, for sure Millers resigns and your good positioned for a repeat.
- IonSabres

Armstong would be stupid to give him up. He is going to be a consistent 25-30 goal scorer. McKenzie pretty much debunked everything Garth has been saying about Millers value. IMO Miller goes at the deadline for a goalie, mid level prospect, and a draft pick.

We have a new GM that is not going to let his legacy be getting fleeced on the second best goalie in franchise history.
- Maximum Signal

You have a new GM that is not going to let his legacy be losing the second best goalie in franchise history for absolutely nothing because he didn't take the best deal. And every other GM in the league knows it, and none of them are going to make some massive offer because of it.

You have a new GM that is not going to let his legacy be losing the second best goalie in franchise history for absolutely nothing because he didn't take the best deal. And every other GM in the league knows it, and none of them are going to make some massive offer because of it.
- Antilles

You have not studied up on this new GM , He is well respected and already set those straight trying to fleece him.

http://www.buffalonews.co...-from-any-trades-20140124

You have not studied up on this new GM , He is well respected and already set those straight trying to fleece him.

http://www.buffalonews.co...-from-any-trades-20140124
- Maximum Signal

Your GM said exactly the same thing every new GM in his position has always said. He told fans what they wanted to hear. It's going to fool any of his compatriots. He still isn't going to be willing to lose Miller for nothing. He'll take the best deal offered, whatever it may be, then tell fans how great a deal it was and that it was what he wanted all along.

Your GM said exactly the same thing every new GM in his position has always said. He told fans what they wanted to hear. It's going to fool any of his compatriots. He still isn't going to be willing to lose Miller for nothing. He'll take the best deal offered, whatever it may be, then tell fans how great a deal it was and that it was what he wanted all along.
- Antilles

Like I said he is not going to let his legacy being fleeced on a talent like Miller . He will get more respect letting Miller walk than getting fleeced .Man St Louis fans are naive about this. Keep all your picks and all your prospects and let your players work on the golf game in early June , when Stanley cup finals are on.

Things will heat up on Miller , just a matter of time.

He will get more respect letting Miller walk than getting fleeced .Man St Louis fans are naive about this. Keep all your picks and all your prospects and let your players work on the golf game in early June , when Stanley cup finals are on.
- Maximum Signal

You think your GM will get more respect for totally misjudging the market and walking away with absolutely nothing than for making the best deal possible? St. Louis fans aren't the naive ones here.

Blues are a young team in good cap position for the future. We have a goalie who has carried a team to the conference finals, but been injured come playoff time since then, who is currently looking sharp. Blues are faced with either taking a chance in the playoffs on him, and if it doesn't work out signing Miller for nothing this off-season for 5 of our 6 year window instead of 6; or making a trade for Miller. Either way, looking pretty good. Blues aren't desperate to make a trade. But Sabres are, and everyone knows it, despite your GM following the same script GM's always follow.

You think your GM will get more respect for totally misjudging the market and walking away with absolutely nothing than for making the best deal possible? St. Louis fans aren't the naive ones here.

Blues are a young team in good cap position for the future. We have a goalie who has carried a team to the conference finals, but been injured come playoff time since then, who is currently looking sharp. Blues are faced with either taking a chance in the playoffs on him, and if it doesn't work out signing Miller for nothing this off-season for 5 of our 6 year window instead of 6; or making a trade for Miller. Either way, looking pretty good. Blues aren't desperate to make a trade. But Sabres are, and everyone knows it, despite your GM following the same script GM's always follow.
- Antilles

He gets more respect letting him walk than getting fleeced. That is how it works . Getting fleeced on Iginla and Bowmeister was so good for Feaster's career . That is how the NHL works . The Blues are so close damn shame you guys blow a window at the cup . They do not come every year as you would like to believe. Hold on to those picks . for your next run 8 years from now . Good strategy.

Like I said he is not going to let his legacy being fleeced on a talent like Miller . He will get more respect letting Miller walk than getting fleeced .Man St Louis fans are naive about this. Keep all your picks and all your prospects and let your players work on the golf game in early June , when Stanley cup finals are on.

Things will heat up on Miller , just a matter of time.



- Maximum Signal

big talk coming from a sabres fan

you guys should listen to him, he knows how to win

He gets more respect letting him walk than getting fleeced. That is how it works . Getting fleeced on Iginla and Bowmeister was so good for Feaster's career . That is how the NHL works . The Blues are so close damn shame you guys blow a window at the cup . They do not come every year as you would like to believe. Hold on to those picks . for your next run 8 years from now . Good strategy.


- Maximum Signal

Just because your team only had a one chance to win the Cup doesn't mean actual good teams are built that way. You clearly don't follow other teams much.

Taking the best deal available isn't getting fleeced. It's accepting market value. That is how the NHL works. If 29 GM's think Miller isn't worth more than X to them, your GM doesn't get respect for thinking he knows better than all of them and getting nothing instead. He loses it. Plenty of Buffalo fans understand this, as does your GM I'm sure. But you are making them look bad.

For real, Buffalo fans need to stop bringing up Tarasenko. There is ZERO chance he is involved in any deal for Miller. ZERO

It is foolish. Rattie, maybe. Tarasenko? You crazy.

For real, Buffalo fans need to stop bringing up Tarasenko. There is ZERO chance he is involved in any deal for Miller. ZERO

It is foolish. Rattie, maybe. Tarasenko? You crazy.
- carcus

I am surprised at how the Sabre fans who mention his name in a trade scenario would want him due to their total hate for Russian players...

For real, Buffalo fans need to stop bringing up Tarasenko. There is ZERO chance he is involved in any deal for Miller. ZERO

It is foolish. Rattie, maybe. Tarasenko? You crazy.
- carcus

I just looked at his line combinations. He plays with Roy most of the time? If so, Roy is making another winger look good and is one of the most under appreciated Sabres ever. No joke.

Mock his compete, but he can play.

Final offer, since you demand conditions...
Miller for Ty Rattie.
If blues make it to the Conference finals...then your 1st in 2015
If blues win the cup, above plus Tarasenko.
And if you do win the cup, for sure Millers resigns and your good positioned for a repeat.
- IonSabres

Not that anyone really wants my opinion... but I have a keyboard too, so here goes... IF he (Miller) gets traded (alone) to the Blues then I really do believe Chris Stewart has a good chance at being included in the deal along with Ty Rattie and a 1st round pick (conditional or not... but if it is, I would think it would be tied to Blues' performance more so than his re-signing with them). I honestly think Rattie's inclusion in the deal is the current hang-up, which is funny because he's not doing so great in the AHL so far. As a Sabres fan, I've seen highly-touted prospects fade into the distance once they reach the AHL... you may want to trade him while his value is still up there.

Personally, I think Steve Ott gets dealt with Miller to the Blues and that bridges the gap between the two sides. Miller and Ott for Halak, Stewart, Berglund (maybe ?), Rattie and a 1st round pick (conditional, if that makes you feel better). Taking Halak (or sending him to another team in a 3-way trade for another asset) is really just a necessity for the Blues, not the Sabres. The Sabres may need to throw-in a lower line player or defenseman for roster purposes, but the main ingredients are Nolan getting his hands on Stewart along with the upside of Rattie and the draft pick... while Hitchcock gets his goalie and the grit in Ott to give the Dustin Brown's of the Western Conference a taste of their own medicine from time to time.

Not that anyone really wants my opinion... but I have a keyboard too, so here goes... IF he (Miller) gets traded (alone) to the Blues then I really do believe Chris Stewart has a good chance at being included in the deal along with Ty Rattie and a 1st round pick (conditional or not... but if it is, I would think it would be tied to Blues' performance more so than his re-signing with them). I honestly think Rattie's inclusion in the deal is the current hang-up, which is funny because he's not doing so great in the AHL so far. As a Sabres fan, I've seen highly-touted prospects fade into the distance once they reach the AHL... you may want to trade him while his value is still up there.

Personally, I think Steve Ott gets dealt with Miller to the Blues and that bridges the gap between the two sides. Miller and Ott for Halak, Stewart, Berglund (maybe ?), Rattie and a 1st round pick (conditional, if that makes you feel better). Taking Halak (or sending him to another team in a 3-way trade for another asset) is really just a necessity for the Blues, not the Sabres. The Sabres may need to throw-in a lower line player or defenseman for roster purposes, but the main ingredients are Nolan getting his hands on Stewart along with the upside of Rattie and the draft pick... while Hitchcock gets his goalie and the grit in Ott to give the Dustin Brown's of the Western Conference a taste of their own medicine from time to time.
- djc1877

This totally makes sense.

I just looked at his line combinations. He plays with Roy most of the time? If so, Roy is making another winger look good and is one of the most under appreciated Sabres ever. No joke.

Mock his compete, but he can play.
- rmiethaner

Tarasenko hasn't spent much time with Roy.

big talk coming from a sabres fan

you guys should listen to him, he knows how to win
- dmarsden2988

I know lol. Is it supposed to be super insulting to the blues fan? Sabres will be on the golf course well before any member of the blues are.

Just because your team only had a one chance to win the Cup doesn't mean actual good teams are built that way. You clearly don't follow other teams much.

Taking the best deal available isn't getting fleeced. It's accepting market value. That is how the NHL works. If 29 GM's think Miller isn't worth more than X to them, your GM doesn't get respect for thinking he knows better than all of them and getting nothing instead. He loses it. Plenty of Buffalo fans understand this, as does your GM I'm sure. But you are making them look bad.
- Antilles

More than one chance there. St louis fans just have no knowledge.

Final offer, since you demand conditions...
Miller for Ty Rattie.
If blues make it to the Conference finals...then your 1st in 2015
If blues win the cup, above plus Tarasenko.
And if you do win the cup, for sure Millers resigns and your good positioned for a repeat.
- IonSabres

Sorry. This is ridiculous. Tarasenko won't be traded. Not because he is Brett Hull re-incarnate, but because he is their top prospect and is already contributing at the NHL level. It is about perception. That type of player NEVER gets traded. I defy you show me one example of a team trading their top prospect without getting a top prospect back.

Trades that make sense.
Miller for Rattie, Halak and conditional 2nd (1st based on playoff success). Halak then gets flipped at the deadline for another 2nd.
-I think this would be ideal for the Sabres, since the system is short on scoring wingers.

Miller for Carrier or Schmaltz or Vanelli, Halak and 1st. Halak then flipped.
-Probably not what Murray wants, but may end up being the best offer. Mid level prospect, a 1 and a 2 (after Halak is dealt). Not ideal, but a pretty good haul for a rental.

Miller, Moulson for Neuvirth, Erat, Burakovsky and Washington's first in 15. Erat flipped for more picks prospects.
-This deal only/works for the Sabres if it happens early enough that Erat can be showcased for a few weeks before the deadline and flipped. Neuvirth then becomes the bridge goaltender with Enroth until the Sabres can find their new franchise Goalie in '15

Miller for Niemi, and a pick. Maybe a 2 in '15 that becomes a 1 if Miller resigns. Niemi then traded to Edmonton for something.
-I know this is a stretch, but San Jose is a realistic landing spot for Miller long term, so they may be willing to deal an established player for a deep playoff run this year, and a head start on negotiating with Miller for next year. Maybe Niemi gets packaged with McNabb/Pysyk and picks to get one of Edmonton's forwards. Maybe straight up for Gagner. Who knows.

This is all just speculation, and all for fun. But I think any of these proposals is more realistic than a deal involving Tarasenko. Just my opinion.

I just looked at his line combinations. He plays with Roy most of the time? If so, Roy is making another winger look good and is one of the most under appreciated Sabres ever. No joke.

Mock his compete, but he can play.
- rmiethaner

Tarasenko has played with Roy maybe one game this year. He has been with Berglund and Sobotka.

I know lol. Is it supposed to be super insulting to the blues fan? Sabres will be on the golf course well before any member of the blues are.

- thisisderrik

And you think we are all not aware of that ? Really ? Whose the fool here?

And you think we are all not aware of that ? Really ? Whose the fool here?


- Maximum Signal

I believe that is you.

I like Miller, but he is not the "missing piece" that will lead us to a for sure deep run. If the Blues picked him up, we could go out in the first round, just like you keep saying we will if we don't trade for him. Teams go out early every year when they are favorites.

Getting Miller doesn't ensure us of anything. If the price is too high, we will go with what we have and likely do very well with Halak in net.