As someone who took TTC for many years, and drives now... I can tell you this city needs more rail, now. The population keeps growing, the roads get more and more congested, and the city gets larger.

The way things are going, we simply can't wait 25 years for 3 stops when another system could cover the entire city in less time.

As someone who took TTC for many years, and drives now... I can tell you this city needs more rail, now. The population keeps growing, the roads get more and more congested, and the city gets larger.

The way things are going, we simply can't wait 25 years for 3 stops when another system could cover the entire city in less time.
- Feeling Glucky?

we dont need more rail.. just more trains on the existing rail

let the highways get plugged up.. it will encourage people to get out of their cars and take more eco friendly transportation.

not at all. snow doesnt just fall straight down.

if anything a solitary roof creates a wind tunnel of sorts increasing the likelyhood of freezing.

also.. here is the thing you guys arent considering. when digging up these lines sewers and electrical can all be upgraded to current standards at a fraction of the cost.. because you take care of all the effected underground utilities at the same time you build the subway.

trust me.. up front.. its a massive expense.. long term.. it saves a city a boatload of money
- Dozzer

hence, walls.

But you do raise a good point the other infrastructure that can be upgraded... assuming they actually do that.

when it boils right down to it.. in canada, underground is far smarter in the end.. and cheaper.
- Dozzer

happens in all types of projects. Most people look at the initial project costs and balk at the big $$ attached to it, and look for alternatives...they rarely focus or take into consideration the cost of long term maintenance after the project launch.

Happens with IT projects all the time. Some guy screams because systems X, Y and Z experience too much down time resulting is lost cycles and ultimately money in some form or fashion. So a project is put into place to improve availability/scalability/redundancy etc. using some type of ROI numbers to justify the project expense... Sure this improves things, but now your infrastructure has doubled, and now requires more time/staff and costly licenses and vendor contracts to maintain it... which were not initially included in the ROI calculations.

hence, walls.

But you do raise a good point the other infrastructure that can be upgraded... assuming they actually do that.
- Feeling Glucky?

if they dont their (frank)ing idiots

its pretty much standard practice for any road recon.

hence, walls.

But you do raise a good point the other infrastructure that can be upgraded... assuming they actually do that.
- Feeling Glucky?

One of my closest friends is a structural engineer. He's helped me understand the importance of the long term. Plus you made a good point of upgrading where they dig up.

Dozzer for Mayor! Well, you can be Ford's sidekick.

Did anyone hear him say the new price increases on fines is a money scam done by the police That bumbaclot is a straight up guy.

I go to bed. Night Graham.
- AdamFrench

Night. Sweet Dreams Adam.

happens in all types of projects. Most people look at the initial project costs and balk at the big $$ attached to it, and look for alternatives...they rarely focus or take into consideration the cost of long term maintenance after the project launch.

Happens with IT projects all the time. Some guy screams because systems X, Y and Z experience too much down time resulting is lost cycles and ultimately money in some form or fashion. So a project is put into place to improve availability/scalability/redundancy etc. using some type of ROI numbers to justify the project expense... Sure this improves things, but now your infrastructure has doubled, and now requires more time/staff and costly licenses and vendor contracts to maintain it... which were not initially included in the ROI calculations.
- vermie22

you got it vermie.. short term solutions rarely work out.. and generally.. in the long run cost tax payers more

its a massive problem with north american culture.. we're too used to having all our problems wants and needs satisfied immediately

we dont need more rail.. just more trains on the existing rail

let the highways get plugged up.. it will encourage people to get out of their cars and take more eco friendly transportation.
- Dozzer

No it won't... because with the lack of coverage, cars are still more convenient... as the highways get more congested, you'll just see even more pollution, because of how many more people will be in the stop-and-go traffic. Most people don't seem to understand how to drive in those conditions, and accelerate and break hard. Taking a car that should average 6-9 liters per 100km on the highway to the mid-to-high teens.

More trains on the same routes does make it more comfortable to get on the trains, but it also increases the delays on the routes... and you still have to get to the main subway stations to get on the rail. That can take over an hour by bus, depending where you are.

Adding more rails with more stations allows people to get into the rail system faster, rather than waiting half an hour for the delayed buses stuck in the same car traffic everyone else is in.

One of my closest friends is a structural engineer. He's helped me understand the importance of the long term. Plus you made a good point of upgrading where they dig up.

Dozzer for Mayor! Well, you can be Ford's sidekick.

Did anyone hear him say the new price increases on fines is a money scam done by the police That bumbaclot is a straight up guy.
- CanadianBodmon

didnt catch that.. i follow him.. but i actually live in London

our mayor just embezzles tax payer money

there was a poll done here in London.. would you rather A: have a mayor who embezzles money? or B: have a mayor who smokes crack?

overwhelmingly the voters chose the crack smoking mayor

if they dont their (frank)ing idiots

its pretty much standard practice for any road recon.
- Dozzer

Where do they run the wires on streets where they bury them?

Because I've seen countless streets where they've upgraded the watermain, but that still have above-ground power lines... which in Canada is just idiocy.

we dont need more rail.. just more trains on the existing rail

let the highways get plugged up.. it will encourage people to get out of their cars and take more eco friendly transportation.
- Dozzer

misnomer about the rail. Edmonton and Calgary both have LRT systems. They work fine in the cold. The Scarborough SRT is not the same technology, nor are the streetcars. Modern tech allows them to function properly in all weather.

Saying they won't work is part of the misinformation of the pro subway crowd.

No it won't... because with the lack of coverage, cars are still more convenient... as the highways get more congested, you'll just see even more pollution, because of how many more people will be in the stop-and-go traffic. Most people don't seem to understand how to drive in those conditions, and accelerate and break hard. Taking a car that should average 6-9 liters per 100km on the highway to the mid-to-high teens.

More trains on the same routes does make it more comfortable to get on the trains, but it also increases the delays on the routes... and you still have to get to the main subway stations to get on the rail. That can take over an hour by bus, depending where you are.

Adding more rails with more stations allows people to get into the rail system faster, rather than waiting half an hour for the delayed buses stuck in the same car traffic everyone else is in.
- Feeling Glucky?

you cant just keep piling poop on the ground gluck.. its short sighted. horribly so

what should be done is make it a HUGE pain in the ass to drive your own vehicle.

dedicate one lane on EVERY segment of highway to busses only. ... (frank) car pool lanes. seriously limit the ability to move quickly across the city in a car.

force people into taking public transit.. it will increase profits which in turn can be redistributed into more infrastructure, speeding the entire process up. you'd be shocked with just how fast the infrastructure could get up to par if people would just take their lazy asses out of their cars.

more rail is the same thing as putting a bandaid on a knife wound.

Where do they run the wires on streets where they bury them?

Because I've seen countless streets where they've upgraded the watermain, but that still have above-ground power lines... which in Canada is just idiocy.
- Feeling Glucky?

Actually not. Due to the depth that they would have to be buried. And, the cost associated if something goes wrong and must be fixed. In excess of 4.5 feet or 1.5 meters is a long way and a tremendous expense to assume. For little gain.

misnomer about the rail. Edmonton and Calgary both have LRT systems. They work fine in the cold. The Scarborough SRT is not the same technology, nor are the streetcars. Modern tech allows them to function properly in all weather.

Saying they won't work is part of the misinformation of the pro subway crowd.
- ILoveLamp

did you read what i said?

Ontario has something edmonton and calgary doesnt

MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF HUMIDITY AND PRECIPITATION

changes everything. out there its super cold but its dry.. here its wet, and more ice occurs.

you got it vermie.. short term solutions rarely work out.. and generally.. in the long run cost tax payers more

its a massive problem with north american culture.. we're too used to having all our problems wants and needs satisfied immediately
- Dozzer

It's not just the high costs that are the problem, it's the lack of scope.


I mean great, we have 3 stops in scarborough that will take 25 years to build, but will last forever. That's cool for the people near those 3 stops.

But what about everyone else?

Hell, building a light rail system short term still works with a long-term subway system, as people would take that light rail to get to the stations.

Right now our subway is great for hitting the places need to go. But getting to the subway, and getting back home at the end of the day... that's the problem.

Where do they run the wires on streets where they bury them?

Because I've seen countless streets where they've upgraded the watermain, but that still have above-ground power lines... which in Canada is just idiocy.
- Feeling Glucky?

agreed.. short sighted engineers trying to solve budget issues.. doesnt make it right tho.

(frank)ing stupid.

did you read what i said?

Ontario has something edmonton and calgary doesnt

MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF HUMIDITY AND PRECIPITATION

changes everything. out there its super cold but its dry.. here its wet, and more ice occurs.
- Dozzer

HUMIDITY, is the largest factor of the cold.

It's not just the high costs that are the problem, it's the lack of scope.


I mean great, we have 3 stops in scarborough that will take 25 years to build, but will last forever. That's cool for the people near those 3 stops.

But what about everyone else?

Hell, building a light rail system short term still works with a long-term subway system, as people would take that light rail to get to the stations.

Right now our subway is great for hitting the places need to go. But getting to the subway, and getting back home at the end of the day... that's the problem.
- Feeling Glucky?

one answer.

BUS

btw new blog up

HUMIDITY, is the largest factor of the cold.
- bixll

lol

i'm worked up and couldnt find the word moisture

you cant just keep piling poop on the ground gluck.. its short sighted. horribly so

what should be done is make it a HUGE pain in the ass to drive your own vehicle.

dedicate one lane on EVERY segment of highway to busses only. ... (frank) car pool lanes. seriously limit the ability to move quickly across the city in a car.

force people into taking public transit.. it will increase profits which in turn can be redistributed into more infrastructure, speeding the entire process up. you'd be shocked with just how fast the infrastructure could get up to par if people would just take their lazy asses out of their cars.

more rail is the same thing as putting a bandaid on a knife wound.
- Dozzer

That's not actually a bad analogy. You slow down the bleeding until you can get the proper treatment.

I'm not against subways long term. The subway systems in europe are almost like porn. But the city needs more than just a few stops in Scarborough. It's growing too fast to just wait decades for subways.

Seriously, waiting for subways, it'll probably be decades before we even remotely match the needs for the city as it stands now... and by that time the problems will be much, much worse.

Oh, and side note: Bombardier makes light rail vehicles for European cities that have very similar climates to Toronto. It would be interesting to see how they're working out over there.

lol

i'm worked up and couldnt find the word moisture
- Dozzer

I couldn't tell... step back, chill out...... Breathe


Better?

one answer.

BUS

btw new blog up
- Dozzer

You know how bad the busses in London are?

There are lots of parts of Toronto that are just as bad, or worse.

Not to mention how insanely hilly some parts of Toronto are... in bad weather conditions, I've seen the cops shut down some roads so that the busses can get up(and more importantly, down) without smashing through all the cars.

Bus buzz.

Exciting stuff guys.

Ford and Bush are exactly what is wrong with the modern day voting systems.

Millionaires, claiming to be just like the average Joe, who fail at most things they do in life, are propped up into some of the highest positions of power by people who know that they can manipulate them once they are in power.

It's the Manchurian candidate come to reality.
- ILoveLamp

Well not quite.
Who's pulling the strings and propping them up?

For Ford...its the stupid people of the city