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Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 28 @ 11:26 AM ET
I really wish Berube would return to the line combinations that worked for us in the past and considers changing up the 4th line that is a horrendous collective - 33 playing against weak competition:

Rinaldo - 12
Hall - 15
Rosehill - 5

Raffl - Giroux- Voracek
Hartnell - B. Scenn - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Downie
McGinn - Lecavalier - Vandevelde


A lot more emphasis should be on overall team defense just like when the team started winning games a few months back and when Mason was stellar and stealing games for us.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 28 @ 11:28 AM ET
Kulikov over thinks everything he does. You can see it every time he makes a bad pass, or misses the net, or turns the puck over.. he lets it effect him the rest of the night. He can be an amazing player in this league. He is young with tons of potential. BUT, the system here has changed since his arrival. Tallon love the big North American boys on the blue line. Kulikov just doesn't fit the mold.
- Panthers88


Sounds like he needs a better coach to bring him through it. Maybe a change in scenery.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 28 @ 11:29 AM ET
I really wish Berube would return to the line combinations that worked for us in the past and considers changing up the 4th line that is a horrendous collective - 33 playing against weak competition:

Rinaldo - 12
Hall - 15
Rosehill - 5

Raffl - Giroux- Voracek
Hartnell - B. Scenn - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Downie
McGinn - Lecavalier - Vandevelde


A lot more emphasis should be on overall team defense just like when the team started winning games a few months back and when Mason was stellar and stealing games for us.

- Chris48


You can shuffle a deck of cards as many times as you want, but you still end up with the same 52 cards....
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:29 AM ET
I see we are coddling the 35 YOA VL and bumping him up to 2nd line center bc clearly he's earned it while shifting B Schenn to his ineffective wing spot. Clearly this is how you grow and groom young talent
- Just5



Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Jan 28 @ 11:33 AM ET
Kulikov over thinks everything he does. You can see it every time he makes a bad pass, or misses the net, or turns the puck over.. he lets it effect him the rest of the night. He can be an amazing player in this league. He is young with tons of potential. BUT, the system here has changed since his arrival. Tallon love the big North American boys on the blue line. Kulikov just doesn't fit the mold.
- Panthers88

I'd take him on the Flyers.
get er done Hempglobin
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 28 @ 11:34 AM ET
True.

If he leans on Kimmo and Coburn too much
(Above 22-23 minutes) they get exposed too.

But 8 and 32 have stood out as particularly bad recently.

No real solution with the current group.

But there are things to try.

Luke with Kimmo,
Grossmann with Coburn.

Or Streit as a 4th line wing and PP point.
This seems least likely to happen.

- Marc D


I'm with you. Things aren't working, so Berube has to change things up. The results will likely be re-shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic, but he has to try.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 28 @ 11:39 AM ET
You can shuffle a deck of cards as many times as you want, but you still end up with the same 52 cards....
- youarewrong




True, but I'd take A-K preflop over 7-2 any day.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Jan 28 @ 11:41 AM ET
True, but I'd take A-K preflop over 7-2 any day.
- Chris48


You can keep your A-K preflop as long as the flop is 7-7-2
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 28 @ 11:42 AM ET
You can keep your A-K preflop as long as the flop is 7-7-2
- youarewrong



Omg, your the new jsaq ????
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jan 28 @ 11:45 AM ET
I really wish Berube would return to the line combinations that worked for us in the past and considers changing up the 4th line that is a horrendous collective - 33 playing against weak competition:

Rinaldo - 12
Hall - 15
Rosehill - 5

Raffl - Giroux- Voracek
Hartnell - B. Scenn - Simmonds
Read - Couturier - Downie
McGinn - Lecavalier - Vandevelde


A lot more emphasis should be on overall team defense just like when the team started winning games a few months back and when Mason was stellar and stealing games for us.

- Chris48
I think the winning back in December got the Flyers too comfortable, and they sank back into bad habits. But I'm with you, shake the lines up like crazy and hope something sticks.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 28 @ 11:47 AM ET
Trade coming ?

Homer:

"Right now, it's getting to the point where we need to see what we have, see what's out there and make a move if we're going to do it."

http://www.philly.com/phi...deal_to_improve_team.html
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Jan 28 @ 11:49 AM ET
Trade coming ?

Homer:

"Right now, it's getting to the point where we need to see what we have, see what's out there and make a move if we're going to do it."

http://www.philly.com/phi...deal_to_improve_team.html

- Chris48


Oh goody a trade that wreaks of desperation. 50 cents on the dollar.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 11:51 AM ET
Happy I sold my tickets. Only wanted to really go to see Datsyuk play. I think he missed the last game in Philly as well. He may not have played here in the last 5 years.
Panthers88
Florida Panthers
Location: It's gonna be a long one.., FL
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:51 AM ET
Typically there arent any Panther fans in the crowd either.
- youarewrong

I'm not getting into the crowd debate. All I can and will say is that this organization deserves everything it gets in terms of crowds because of horrible management we have gone through. I don't care what fans of other teams do. I don't care who sells out when.

We've gone through 12 years of owners who had no money to spend. We now have one worth over $1 billion. All I can say is that he will hopefully right the ship.

At the end of the day, I'm there every game and that's all I care about/can control.
Panthers88
Florida Panthers
Location: It's gonna be a long one.., FL
Joined: 07.21.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:52 AM ET
Sounds like he needs a better coach to bring him through it. Maybe a change in scenery.
- youarewrong

Absolutely. Only problem is he is rumored to be KHL bound at the end of this season.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 28 @ 11:53 AM ET
I think the winning back in December got the Flyers too comfortable, and they sank back into bad habits. But I'm with you, shake the lines up like crazy and hope something sticks.
- Flyers_V88



I agree. We see plenty of bad habits lately, the decline of puck support and overall team defense and a more run and gun style hockey. Going back to what made the team have success and to the lines that showed chemistry would be a start. I also think it's time to switch up the D pairings.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 28 @ 11:55 AM ET
Trade coming ?

Homer:

"Right now, it's getting to the point where we need to see what we have, see what's out there and make a move if we're going to do it."

http://www.philly.com/phi...deal_to_improve_team.html

- Chris48



Yeah, Homer's fighting for his job right now... but glad to see him still insisting that any trade needs to make sense both for the present and future.

Frank's an idiot, but he does have something right... if the Flyers were to miss the PO's in consecutive years (last time was early 90's), Homer's out the door on his ass.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jan 28 @ 11:57 AM ET
Yeah, Homer's fighting for his job right now... but glad to see him still insisting that any trade needs to make sense both for the present and future.

Frank's an idiot, but he does have something right... if the Flyers were to miss the PO's in consecutive years (last time was early 90's), Homer's out the door on his ass.

- Tomahawk



yep ... Hextall is maybe the main guy next year if we miss the playoffs again
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 11:57 AM ET
I'm not getting into the crowd debate. All I can and will say is that this organization deserves everything it gets in terms of crowds because of horrible management we have gone through. I don't care what fans of other teams do. I don't care who sells out when.

We've gone through 12 years of owners who had no money to spend. We now have one worth over $1 billion. All I can say is that he will hopefully right the ship.

At the end of the day, I'm there every game and that's all I care about/can control.

- Panthers88


I don't care what management does: When you have season tickets starting at, what, $4/game (plus a free jersey), and can't sell out, that's bad. That's cheaper than an NLL game or Div. 3 college football game.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 11:58 AM ET
Yeah, Homer's fighting for his job right now... but glad to see him still insisting that any trade needs to make sense both for the present and future.

Frank's an idiot, but he does have something right... if the Flyers were to miss the PO's in consecutive years (last time was early 90's), Homer's out the door on his ass.

- Tomahawk


I agree. But at what point do you just oust Homer? Do you let him make a trade and just HOPE it's not a desperation deal to save his own ass, or do you just hand the reins to Hexy now to limit that possibility? I truly do believe Holmgren, but he might end up deluding himself.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 28 @ 12:02 PM ET
I don't care what management does: When you have season tickets starting at, what, $4/game (plus a free jersey), and can't sell out, that's bad. That's cheaper than an NLL game or Div. 3 college football game.
- jmatchett383


Welp, the city of Miami does, at least, have one of each of the 4 major sports leagues represented in their sports portfolio.

Which is more than, say, Buffalo or Pittsburgh can say.

/all I got
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jan 28 @ 12:04 PM ET
I agree. But at what point do you just oust Homer? Do you let him make a trade and just HOPE it's not a desperation deal to save his own ass, or do you just hand the reins to Hexy now to limit that possibility? I truly do believe Holmgren, but he might end up deluding himself.
- jmatchett383


I think the Chairman feels enough loyalty to Holmgren to give him until the end of this season.

I feel like, in recent interviews, that even Homer sees the writing on the wall, in some ways.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jan 28 @ 12:05 PM ET
Welp, the city of Miami does, at least, have one of each of the 4 major sports leagues represented in their sports portfolio.

Which is more than, say, Buffalo or Pittsburgh can say.

/all I got

- johndewar


Miami doesn't have a baseball team. They may have a baseball stadium where 18 men play a casual game of baseball from time to time, but they don't have a pro team.

And it's nice that they allow the opposition's fans all of the tickets to Dolphins' "home" games in Miami. That's very sweet of them.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jan 28 @ 12:05 PM ET
I agree. But at what point do you just oust Homer? Do you let him make a trade and just HOPE it's not a desperation deal to save his own ass, or do you just hand the reins to Hexy now to limit that possibility? I truly do believe Holmgren, but he might end up deluding himself.
- jmatchett383



My money would be on Snider letting Homer finish the year out -- then fire him right after the last game is played.

The only way I see Homer saving his job is them making some kind of run in the PO's... barely making it and getting ousted immediately probably wouldn't even save him.
Flyers_V88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 02.26.2013

Jan 28 @ 12:08 PM ET
My money would be on Snider letting Homer finish the year out -- then fire him right after the last game is played.

The only way I see Homer saving his job is them making some kind of run in the PO's... barely making it and getting ousted immediately probably wouldn't even save him.

- Tomahawk

Or, if he can make a move that dramatically improves the team in the foreseeable future.
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