So we should take a loss on a guy who is playing 22 minutes a night? So easy to target the negatives but if I said Myers should only get you Gagner in return because last year....blah blah, and remember.... blah blah, etc... you would flip out and call me a dumb@$$ pointing out all of Myers' positives.

Same situation here. Gardiner has negatives but is a damn good d-man, for cheap as hell and young too. The Leafs don't have to or want to move him but will if they are offered a package they cannot refuse, because of how deep they are with offensive d-men.

Now to me that package isn't Gagner+, doesn't matter what the '+' is it doesn't fill our needs. If Gardiner doesn't fill Edmonton's need then they shouldn't be asking for him.
- Steven_Dean

I don't think either player is great. Which is why I'm saying I don't see how either one would be worth "way more" than the other.

So we should take a loss on a guy who is playing 22 minutes a night? So easy to target the negatives but if I said Myers should only get you Gagner in return because last year....blah blah, and remember.... blah blah, etc... you would flip out and call me a dumb@$$ pointing out all of Myers' positives.

Same situation here. Gardiner has negatives but is a damn good d-man, for cheap as hell and young too. The Leafs don't have to or want to move him but will if they are offered a package they cannot refuse, because of how deep they are with offensive d-men.

Now to me that package isn't Gagner+, doesn't matter what the '+' is it doesn't fill our needs. If Gardiner doesn't fill Edmonton's need then they shouldn't be asking for him.
- Steven_Dean

Miller & Ruutu will not be traded to an Eastern team...Bet on that!
- elaeskimos

If Buffalo trades Miller they wont be playoff ready for 3-5 years and Miller wont be relevant to their chances. Miller will go to whoever pays the most.

Though I am getting the feeling people are going to be disappointed with the return. Goalie trade value has been a joke lately and if no one gets desperate for Miller then I cannot see why he would get a higher return than most rentals have been getting in the past.

So what if Garth Snow goes out and gets Ryan Miller and the Islanders still miss the playoffs. Is he gonna still have a job after giving up 2 - 1sts and a 2nd and god knows how much for Miller?

I don't think either player is great. Which is why I'm saying I don't see how either one would be worth "way more" than the other.
- sbroads24

*Waits patiently for your opinion on Miller, Myers or Moulson's trade value*

I don't think either player is great. Which is why I'm saying I don't see how either one would be worth "way more" than the other.
- sbroads24

Gardiner has much more value then Gange...4.5 mil with 8 goals and a minus 20 ..come on....plus you forget Gardner has a high value to edmonton..Eakins knows and loves him,plus him and schultz are like best freinds and play very very well together...

*Waits patiently for your opinion on Miller, Myers or Moulson's trade value*


- Steven_Dean

They won't be trading Myers, Miller might get a 1st from St. Louis and a B prospect, Moulson might get similar

So what if Garth Snow goes out and gets Ryan Miller and the Islanders still miss the playoffs. Is he gonna still have a job after giving up 2 - 1sts and a 2nd and god knows how much for Miller?
- Ihatebrianburke

if he resigns Miller and Vanek, then yes. Ryan Smyth cost the Islanders 3 firsts and he walked, didn't seem to affect him all that much. Heck he was named NHL Executive of the Year.

Gardiner has much more value then Gange...4.5 mil with 8 goals and a minus 20 ..come on....plus you forget Gardner has a high value to edmonton..Eakins knows and loves him,plus him and schultz are like best freinds and play very very well together...
- Daddichronic

And last season Gardiner played just 12 games, and Gagner had 38 points in 48 games..... Again if you think Gardiner is worth a lot more I think you are kidding yourself

They won't be trading Myers, Miller might get a 1st from St. Louis and a B prospect, Moulson might get similar
- sbroads24

Glad to meet a Sabres fan who doesn't think Miller will get them 2 1sts a 2nd and a prospect.

I can see those returns happening.

Glad to meet a Sabres fan who doesn't think Miller will get them 2 1sts a 2nd and a prospect.

I can see those returns happening.
- Steven_Dean

Yea he isn't getting a ton back. I'd take the 1st and whatever B level prospect and run, and I'm a Miller fan

Just the leafs would
- jake24242

Sounds like what the Leafs fans said with the JVR trade

Just a case where I hope the rumors are just stupid speculation. I just don't see any reason for the Leafs to go after Gagner. The center crisis was months ago. Gagner isn't such an upgrade that he's worth sacrificing Gardiner for. Not to mention if there is a need to add to that it makes even less sense.

Value can be debated all day, but I don't see the fit here.

Yea he isn't getting a ton back. I'd take the 1st and whatever B level prospect and run, and I'm a Miller fan
- sbroads24

I wouldn't mind an A prospect and a 2nd or even a 3rd

And last season Gardiner didn't played just 12 games, and Gagner had 38 points in 48 games..... Again if you think Gardiner is worth a lot more I think you are kidding yourself
- sbroads24

teams don't trade young players with potential for the low side of their value when they are having career years. Even if you and many others think Gardiner is having a fluke of a year the argument still is that he is young, finding his game and getting better and will be better than he is now.

Would be similar (though not exactly the same) if I said Ristolainen and Zadorov wouldn't get you Gagner because of their play right now, pointing out Gagner's success in the past. Youth and potential always have significant trade value, that's why everyone loves 1st round picks.

One thing to remember, Gardiner is playing very well right now and defense usually don't hit their prime until 25-28. Add that to a great contract position and you have a lot more value than a forward with a big contract that is struggling.

Ask Clarkson what his trade value is right now.

I don't think either player is great. Which is why I'm saying I don't see how either one would be worth "way more" than the other.
- sbroads24

hows this for a serious trade scenario:Reimer(you get a #1goalie) Gardner who Eakins loves and best freinds with schultz and our number one pic this year for Yak and nurse

I wouldn't mind an A prospect and a 2nd or even a 3rd
- Buffalo_Boy

tough to give up unless you knew Miller would resign. At least with giving up the first you can say "yeah we gave up a lot but the pick only has a 30-40% chance of being anything useful anyway, completely worth the risk of winning a cup and resigning a top goalie."

Only a sign and trade will get you huge value now IMO.

Something has to give in Montreal. They are dismal as of late and we need a new infusion of some jam in there. Bourque - just go away. Maybe add one of Montreal's smaller players to get Buff. Even adding a draft pick (2nd?) in a package would be fine. Montreal's draft team would make up the difference in later rounds. Things need to change fast or else the playoff spot is all but a fantasy. One worried Habs fan here.

teams don't trade young players with potential for the low side of their value when they are having career years. Even if you and many others think Gardiner is having a fluke of a year the argument still is that he is young, finding his game and getting better and will be better than he is now.

Would be similar (though not exactly the same) if I said Ristolainen and Zadorov wouldn't get you Gagner because of their play right now, pointing out Gagner's success in the past. Youth and potential always have significant trade value, that's why everyone loves 1st round picks.

One thing to remember, Gardiner is playing very well right now and defense usually don't hit their prime until 25-28. Add that to a great contract position and you have a lot more value than a forward with a big contract that is struggling.

Ask Clarkson what his trade value is right now.
- Steven_Dean

It wouldn't be similar though. Gardiner is 23, Gagner is 24.

I agree, the trade doesn't make much sense. Leafs need a #1 center, not someone like Gagner, and the Oilers don't need another unproven defensemen

hows this for a serious trade scenario:Reimer(you get a #1goalie) Gardner who Eakins loves and best freinds with schultz and our number one pic this year for Yak and nurse
- Daddichronic

you had to throw Nurse in there as if Yakupov wasn't hard enough to take for that package.

I know people are very anti-Yakupov right now but no team is ever going to trade a 1st overall pick with 40-50 goal potential (who was drafted a year and a half ago) for pieces like that especially when Gardiner for Nurse straight up can be argued as bad for each team.

Something has to give in Montreal. They are dismal as of late and we need a new infusion of some jam in there. Bourque - just go away. Maybe add one of Montreal's smaller players to get Buff. Even adding a draft pick (2nd?) in a package would be fine. Montreal's draft team would make up the difference in later rounds. Things need to change fast or else the playoff spot is all but a fantasy. One worried Habs fan here.
- Nobesadados

I could be reading this wrong but Buf for Bourque, 'smaller player', 2nd?

Isles are not trading Nelson Strome Pulock or Reinhart. Already gave up a 1st for vanek. Not trading for miller

It wouldn't be similar though. Gardiner is 23, Gagner is 24.

I agree, the trade doesn't make much sense. Leafs need a #1 center, not someone like Gagner, and the Oilers don't need another unproven defensemen
- sbroads24

Big issue with the 'unproven' thing. If we are talking Percy+ or Finn+ or Gagner then absolutely, really stupid idea. But Gardiner is a proven NHL d-man who can still develop into a solid 2/3/4 guy.

hows this for a serious trade scenario:Reimer(you get a #1goalie) Gardner who Eakins loves and best freinds with schultz and our number one pic this year for Yak and nurse
- Daddichronic

sorry I forgot Franson is in that mix to..so Franson, Reimer Gardner and a first for Yaks and Nurse

Ek you are aware Miller already nixed a trade to the Isles right?