What are you talking about?

I never said anything about coveting Coburn. Never.

The reason I said it's his reward is because he and Coburn as a pair were a force. Grossmann played his best hockey when paired with Coburn.

Coburn doesn't deserve praise. Coburn doesn't really get praise. Coburn is not really viewed by the fans as something worth coveting. Coburn is viewed, for the most part, by this fanbase as a solid defenseman with great skating ability. We as a fanbase- again, for the most part- believe it is NOT in this team's best interest to trade him because a) the D would be SO MUCH SLOWER and b) in much worse shape after dealing him.

I say for the most part, because there are some delusional Flyers fans out there who think Coburn is the second coming of Osi Vaananan.

SMH
- Giroux_Is_God

The fact that people think Coburn is a solid defenseman is sickening in itself. He has set up more goals for the other team than he has helped his own team. I understand our defense is big slow and inept but keeping Coburn isn't going to help this team either. Coburn is not going stop turning the puck over. He isn't going to learn to be more physical. He isn't going to learn to not be out of position. Coburn is just not good, period.

After 2

Erie - 3
Oshawa - 1

Laughton with a power pay goal

I love how people think Coburn is terrible. Goes back to Bill's comments on hockey IQ.

The fact that people think Coburn is a solid defenseman is sickening in itself. He has set up more goals for the other team than he has helped his own team. I understand our defense is big slow and inept but keeping Coburn isn't going to help this team either. Coburn is not going stop turning the puck over. He isn't going to learn to be more physical. He isn't going to learn to not be out of position. Coburn is just not good, period.
- Daveflyers36

Were you really disappointed to see Rask save the shot that G took from the neutral zone with Hartnell offside?

I love how people think Coburn is terrible. Goes back to Bill's comments on hockey IQ.


- funmaster18

The entire team has been hit and or miss at times or all season, seems a waste of time to find one player to pick on.

Many of their failures are team wide.

I love how people think Coburn is terrible. Goes back to Bill's comments on hockey IQ.


- funmaster18

i do think that given his physical abilities, he should be better than he is though

i do think that given his physical abilities, he should be better than he is though
- stayinthefnnet

I will not argue with that.

I know Gus is not going to change things, but I thought he was pretty solid for the most part yesterday.

He is able to make a quick accurate first pass and skate the puck a bit.
He will never be a physical, grind them against the wall, defenseman but overall I was happy with his play and would keep him in there.

The rest of it, well yuk.
- Marc D

that's why we pair him with schenn on the 5/6 pair

The fact that people think Coburn is a solid defenseman is sickening in itself. He has set up more goals for the other team than he has helped his own team. I understand our defense is big slow and inept but keeping Coburn isn't going to help this team either. Coburn is not going stop turning the puck over. He isn't going to learn to be more physical. He isn't going to learn to not be out of position. Coburn is just not good, period.
- Daveflyers36

He's freaking 6 5 and he plays like he's 5 11

I love how people think Coburn is terrible. Goes back to Bill's comments on hockey IQ.


- funmaster18

oh really then why aren't teams lining up to over pay for coburn then?

I love how people think Coburn is terrible. Goes back to Bill's comments on hockey IQ.


- funmaster18

agree!!

The entire team has been hit and or miss at times or all season, seems a waste of time to find one player to pick on.

Many of their failures are team wide.
- ob18

many players repeat their failures

that's why we pair him with schenn on the 5/6 pair
- 2Real

WE?

Sharks fan we?

i do think that given his physical abilities, he should be better than he is though
- stayinthefnnet

No because he is a defensive defenseman who can skate better then other D men that are in the same category
edit Pens fan, imagine if Orpik was 6'5" & skated really fast, you'd expect 40-50 points from him, but thats not his game

Were you really disappointed to see Rask save the shot that G took from the neutral zone with Hartnell offside?
- Giroux_Is_God

I guess that is you taking a shot at me thinking I have no clue what I am talking about. Coburn minus 16 the last 2 seasons when his first 2 seasons he was a +24 with 16 goals and 48 assists. He has only scored 16 more goals since then. Yep he is a quality defenseman and the Flyers are lucky to have him. You know all.

I will not argue with that.
- Giroux_Is_God

he still is a decent, minute munching guy. hes not an ace, but to push that baseball analogy further, he is a solid number 3 starter who can log a ton of innings. absolutely nothing wrong with that if you accept the reality of what he is. you need guys like that.

WE?

Sharks fan we?
- puckhead17

quiet fraud fan that accepts this team losing no real fan wants to see their team lose

quiet fraud fan that accepts this team losing no real fan wants to see their team lose
- 2Real

go celebrate the signings of Jumbo Joe & Patrick Mar-Low

I guess that is you taking a shot at me thinking I have no clue what I am talking about. Coburn minus 16 the last 2 seasons when his first 2 seasons he was a +24 with 16 goals and 48 assists. He has only scored 16 more goals since then. Yep he is a quality defenseman and the Flyers are lucky to have him. You know all.
- Daveflyers36

don't forget who coburn had to inflate his stats those seasons

i do think that given his physical abilities, he should be better than he is though
- stayinthefnnet

We see flashes of what he could be when he gets a burr in his jock and plays with an edge - 'Mean' Coburn.

Those instances are very rare this season.

go celebrate the signings of Jumbo Joe & Patrick Mar-Low


- puckhead17

already did are we done celebrating the signing streit and vinny yet?

he still is a decent, minute munching guy. hes not an ace, but to push that baseball analogy further, he is a solid number 3 starter who can log a ton of innings. absolutely nothing wrong with that if you accept the reality of what he is. you need guys like that.
- stayinthefnnet

problem is he's expected to shoulder the load because of the dearth of solid D men on the team, that & Kimmo turning 40 doesn't help

already did are we done celebrating the signing streit and vinny yet?
- 2Real

I hated those signings then & hate them just the same now

No because he is a defensive defenseman who can skate better then other D men that are in the same category
edit Pens fan, imagine if Orpik was 6'5" & skated really fast, you'd expect 40-50 points from him, but thats not his game
- puckhead17

okay fair enough. but if orpik was 6 5 and skated really fast, i wouldnt expect 40 to 50 points out of him because like you said, that isnt his game. but given those physical tools, i would expect him to be absolutely incredible at what his game is. no coburn isnt going suddenly morph into bobby orr, but a lot of times he does tend to play smaller than what you think his frame would allow him to. he isnt fragile by any means, but he doesnt really have much mauler in him.

We see flashes of what he could be when he gets a burr in his jock and plays with an edge - 'Mean' Coburn.

Those instances are very rare this season.
- tangent_man

yeah exactly what i mean. he has it in him, its just too uncommon on a consistent level, and thats a shame for him because his overall game suffers