Man I didn't hear anything about coaching..

If you bring Scotty Bowman in do their D all of the sudden not suck?
Does Couturier do anything useful on the ice?
Are L Schenn and Grossmann and other D guys any quicker?
- opeth_pa

"That was a learning for us on how a good team plays and how you play the game", amonst other honest Timo comments.

Most here think this is a talented team. If so, why can they "play as a team, skate as a team, pass as a team..." as Timo stated?

Might be out of line but I'm fairly certain the tone with set by that point.
- Cape Breton Bruins

Not out of line; I don't think anyone here wants to deny anyone their opinion.

From what I saw, it was a scoreless game, the Flyers took two needless penalties, Boston scored on the second one, and the Flyers never got a foothold on the game after that.

The Iginla goal at the end of the first was the backbreaker.

every player took a part in this today, there were no individuals to point the finger at, yes, some played worse then others, & some made mistakes that magnified because of pucks going in, like Grossman

I just wonder what they can realistically do to fix this, because band aid moves are not going to fix it, the coach had them playing better defense previously, but they have fallen back into old habits
- puckhead17

With Grossmann, it's not just today -- he's been bad for a long period of time now. His metrics just...right now, he just really isn't playing well. He just isn't.

Blame Streit, if you want. Or whoever else, if you think that's what's dragging him down.

But Grossmann's not playing well right now, and it's not just today.

With Grossmann, it's not just today -- he's been bad for a long period of time now. His metrics just...right now, he just really isn't playing well. He just isn't.

Blame Streit, if you want. Or whoever else, if you think that's what's dragging him down.

But Grossmann's not playing well right now, and it's not just today.
- AllInForFlyers

when he's blocking several shots & playing tighter & cleaner, yeah, there was a big difference in his game.

Unless they can make a prudent move or two, if I were coach, I would start playing a
1-4 trap, at least the lack of puck movers on the back line wont be as noticeable.
Its boring, but at least he would be coaching to the strengths of his team, tough to expect D men to join the rush when 3 of them can't skate.
It would also help the goaltenders to find some confidence if the shots against are moved to the sides or outside, notice how we lead in shots at one point, yet we were down 2-0, Rask never broke a sweat.

edit you see some teams guarding all 5 around the net, our coverage is horrible, either they can incorporate some type of trap, where they can collapse around the net and keep them moving as a 5 man unit, because right now there is way too much space between the forwards & D men.

With Grossmann, it's not just today -- he's been bad for a long period of time now. His metrics just...right now, he just really isn't playing well. He just isn't.

Blame Streit, if you want. Or whoever else, if you think that's what's dragging him down.

But Grossmann's not playing well right now, and it's not just today.
- AllInForFlyers

I've been saying he should be sat for 6-7 games now.

When people try to defend him as a player, it's truly baffling. I'm a Dallas Stars AND Flyers fan. I've seen him basically play his entire NHL career thus far. I've never been much of a fan.

He's ideally a 15 minute guy who can contribute on the PK. He's not a fit on this particular team what so ever, and it's been obvious to me for almost two months now.

every player took a part in this today, there were no individuals to point the finger at, yes, some played worse then others, & some made mistakes that magnified because of pucks going in, like Grossman

I just wonder what they can realistically do to fix this, because band aid moves are not going to fix it, the coach had them playing better defense previously, but they have fallen back into old habits
- puckhead17

The entire team has been awful.

The forwards don't support the defense anywhere near enough. They do a poor job in their own end and on the back check. The defense is not able to skate the puck out and needs the forwards to help out. The defense is also way to predictable with the puck-far too many turnovers and failed clears-and then they get worn down with a strong forecheck.

I mention Grossmann a lot because I see a lot of people defending him. I also harp on him because the (frank)ing coach refuses to bench him, while spouting off incessantly about disciplined play and avoiding penalties.

The entire team has been awful.

The forwards don't support the defense anywhere near enough. They do a poor job in their own end and on the back check. The defense is not able to skate the puck out and needs the forwards to help out. The defense is also way to predictable with the puck-far too many turnovers and failed clears-and then they get worn down with a strong forecheck.

I mention Grossmann a lot because I see a lot of people defending him. I also harp on him because the (frank)ing coach refuses to bench him, while spouting off incessantly about disciplined play and avoiding penalties.
- Jsaquella

he deserves some of the blame as well as several others, but see my other post, I would start playing a 1-4 to get out of this, at least it would get the forwards to come back & would not expose the lack of mobility on the back end so much

I'm also slowly becoming convinced Berube is not the man for this job.

Scratching Mez over Grossman and playing Gus? Seriously? If your'e logic is to keep Grossman is because Boston is a bigger team, than play Gill instead of Gus. Dress the biggest, toughest defense you can.

Sure, that's a great way to develop Erik Gustafson. Let him watch games from the Cote box for a month, than throw him to the wolves against the Bruins.

While Berube has done an ok job (I guess), I think this team's success is from their talent alone. This team is a bad mix of players IMO, so it's not all Berube's fault. But it's not like he's done anything crazy with what he's been given to work with.

Basically? I'm not the slightest bit impressed, yet. He's got till the end of the season to take all this talent and turn it into a "team". I dont even see a remote resemblance of a "team" yet.

he deserves some of the blame as well as several others, but see my other post, I would start playing a 1-4 to get out of this, at least it would get the forwards to come back & would not expose the lack of mobility on the back end so much
- puckhead17

Hell, go back to what they were doing in November and early December.

The trouble is, the coach always talks about discipline and avoiding penalties...yet that's all it is. Nobody is held accountable. The same 4 or 5 guys are the ones that have to worry about being benched: Downie, Rosehill, Gustafsson, Schenn and Meszaros

I'm also slowly becoming convinced Berube is not the man for this job.

Scratching Mez over Grossman and playing Gus? Seriously? If your'e logic is to keep Grossman is because Boston is a bigger team, than play Gill instead of Gus. Dress the biggest, toughest defense you can.

Sure, that's a great way to develop Erik Gustafson. Let him watch games from the Cote box for a month, than throw him to the wolves against the Bruins.

While Berube has done an ok job (I guess), I think this team's success is from their talent alone. This team is a bad mix of players IMO, so it's not all Berube's fault. But it's not like he's done anything crazy with what he's been given to work with.

Basically? I'm not the slightest bit impressed, yet. He's got till the end of the season to take all this talent and turn it into a "team". I dont even see a remote resemblance of a "team" yet.
- mochoson

Based solely on W/L he's been OK, but I find myself second guessing and questioning a lot of his personnel decisions and usage trends night in and out.

But as you point out, it's hard to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Hell, go back to what they were doing in November and early December.

The trouble is, the coach always talks about discipline and avoiding penalties...yet that's all it is. Nobody is held accountable. The same 4 or 5 guys are the ones that have to worry about being benched: Downie, Rosehill, Gustafsson, Schenn and Meszaros
- Jsaquella

yup, we talked about that before, Vinny should be taking a seat for starters, Hartnell, although he has been contributing offensively has taken terrible penalties, being another

Based solely on W/L he's been OK, but I find myself second guessing and questioning a lot of his personnel decisions and usage trends night in and out.

But as you point out, it's hard to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
- Jsaquella

Uncle Lou has been known to do this up the turnpike, many times.

Based solely on W/L he's been OK, but I find myself second guessing and questioning a lot of his personnel decisions and usage trends night in and out.

But as you point out, it's hard to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
- Jsaquella

Is it too late to slip the interim tag back on?

I'm also slowly becoming convinced Berube is not the man for this job.

- mochoson

The problem with putting this at Berubes feet is simple...

What coach do you bring in that makes these same 6 dmena at least serviceable?
What coach do you bring in that makes these same 6 dmen quicker?

yup, we talked about that before, Vinny should be taking a seat for starters, Hartnell, although he has been contributing offensively has taken terrible penalties, being another
- puckhead17

Agreed. Absolutely no accountability on this team.

Can't scratch that guy, regardless of how bad he's playing? Why? Because you'd have to replace him with Jay Rosehill? What's that say about your club RIGHT THERE?

Enough of this poop. Waive Rosehill and even Gill if he's not gonna be used. Start calling up younger, hungrier talent like Akeson, Cousins, McGinn, Alt, Lauridsen, etc.

Those guys might make mistakes, but at least the effort will be there. If it's all more of the same, then we know it's Berube. But something's gotta give. We just got absolutely smacked by an NHL powerhouse with a completely healthy line-up.

This isn't even a playoff team, let a lone a contender IMO.

Surely there will be a team at the deadline that will want a guy like Grossmann for depth in the playoffs. Funny, a team like Boston has a history of renting guys with term too, and with Seidenberg out for the year, perhaps they have a need for Grossmann on their 3rd pairing.

Timonen deserves to make another run for a cup, if this is his last year. Those elite western teams duking it out could certainly use a puck mover and leader like Timonen for the playoffs.

Meszaros should net us a draft pick, but that's fine. Stock pile them for our draft, maybe combine the extra ones to move up when we host it in June.

Coburn, Schenn, Streit, Gus. That's what we should realistically be looking at come the TDL. We need a top pairing puck mover to put with Coburn. We need a solid two-way defender for the 2nd pairing, to go with Streit. Schenn and Gus to be our 3rd pairing.

Until Vinny's back is 100% (which may not be until the off-season), we need BSchenn back at centre on the 2nd line. Maybe Vinny needs to go on the IR, he's out of place and disrupting our lineup right now. Not sure what Downie did to get in Berube's doghouse, but he needs to be on the Couturier/Read line for good.

Based solely on W/L he's been OK, but I find myself second guessing and questioning a lot of his personnel decisions and usage trends night in and out.

But as you point out, it's hard to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
- Jsaquella

Exactly. Idk, I was just expecting a little more substance I guess. I just don't really see it. I see no real difference between this team and the team Lavy was coaching.

Meaning we fired the better coach.

The problem with putting this at Berubes feet is simple...

What coach do you bring in that makes these same 6 dmena at least serviceable?
What coach do you bring in that makes these same 6 dmen quicker?
- opeth_pa

A question for the off-season, not now. We aren't even close to being a "team" now, how receptive do you think these guy's will be with their third coach since September?

I'm not necessarily insinuating you think a coaching change is necessary right now. Just realize you're asking a question that's better served answered in the offseason when better options will likely be available.

EDIT: To give a tentative answer? Kevin Dineen

The problem with putting this at Berubes feet is simple...

What coach do you bring in that makes these same 6 dmena at least serviceable?
What coach do you bring in that makes these same 6 dmen quicker?
- opeth_pa

There's a lot more wrong than the D... stupid penalties, poor starts, lack of puck support all over the ice, poor PP... all are back with a vengeance.

He's quick to give the goalies the hook, bench Downie, Gus and Mez... but certain sacred cows not only get away with murder, but are rewarded with more ice time and plum assignments. Accountability doesn't seem like a priority.

When we were winning games earlier in the season 2-1 and 3-2, Mason was standing on his head most nights. He comes back down to earth a bit and just plays average, and 5-2 and 6-1 is what we get. Put a better defense in front of him, and even at average, he only lets in 2-3 goals a night. He stands on his head with a better defense, he'll let in 1 goal or less quite often.

He's quick to give the goalies the hook, bench Downie, Gus and Mez... but certain sacred cows not only get away with murder, but are rewarded with more ice time and plum assignments. Accountability doesn't seem like a priority.
- Tomahawk

This sounds a lot like the US Government

Berube should pull a Herb Brooks and skate em til they hurl after this embarrassment!
- BiggE

Cant polish a turd, but that's just me.

This sounds a lot like the US Government
- mochoson

6-1 loss.

Thanks Obama

Not out of line; I don't think anyone here wants to deny anyone their opinion.

From what I saw, it was a scoreless game, the Flyers took two needless penalties, Boston scored on the second one, and the Flyers never got a foothold on the game after that.

The Iginla goal at the end of the first was the backbreaker.
- AllInForFlyers

oh poop I misread I thought you were referring to the penalty after the Giroux goal when it was 4-1.

The issues of old slow D and lack of back checking and too big a gap and so on has been around forever. But it is noticeable that with Berube's system - where the 2nd forechecker seems to arrive a second slower than when Lavy was there and the 3rd forechecker usually hangs back - they are not getting any sustained offensive time in the zone at all. I feel they weakly fling the puck at the goalie from a distance and come charging just because they how hard it is to gain entry. That way, at least they will get an offensive zone draw.