Coatsey is over my right shoulder?

- FlyerGuy

He's always looking over somebody's. You never know when it'll be yours.

They are pissing away valuable points. My problem with this team is the lack of 60 minute effort.

He's always looking over somebody's. You never know when it'll be yours.
- tangent_man

The window will open.

Have to be ready.

He's always looking over somebody's. You never know when it'll be yours.
- tangent_man

The window will open.

Have to be ready.
- flyer_nutter

Readiness is all.

They are pissing away valuable points. My problem with this team is the lack of 60 minute effort.
- LJF

I doubt they get out if this funk till after the Olympics.

Readiness is all.
- tangent_man

Pants down?

Pants down?
- flyer_nutter

I was thinking more along the lines of having the sweatpants handy, but sure.

They are pissing away valuable points. My problem with this team is the lack of 60 minute effort.
- LJF

although the 60 minute effort is a problem, I kind of think it's overblown because of how slow the team is. The 'effort" looks a lot worse than it is, imo.

If and when they add 2 or 3 speedier/faster/quicker players the team as a whole will appear to be a much harder working group.

although the 60 minute effort is a problem, I kind of think it's overblown because of how slow the team is. It looks a lot worse than it is, imo.

If and when they add 2 or 3 speedier/faster/quicker players the team as a whole will appear to be a much harder working group.
- FlyerGuy

- flyer_nutter

a little older than what I was thinking, but sure.

Final

Oshawa - 2
Belleville - 0

Laughton with an assist

they're the kind of gifts that a non-hockey fan would give to a hockey fan, thinking that it would be appreciated as unique.

- FlyerGuy

i'd throw it right the (frank) out.

They are pissing away valuable points. My problem with this team is the lack of 60 minute effort.
- LJF

My problem is several tiers.

They have talent, but get outworked. They have a coach that talks about discipline and accountability, and holds 4 or 5 guys accountable and rarely if ever holds a star player's feet to the fire. They use line combos and defense pairs that don't work well together, and make no changes until they lose a couple. They continuously use guys out of position because of "hot streaks".

It's no better in the front office. The Ohhhhh Shiny approach to adding players remains and the defense is a tire fire.

The only good thing is that they have a winning record through sheer talent. They're not 3 years away, they're a couple of players AND much better discipline away. It's not just avoiding penalties, although that is huge. it's making smart plays, backchecking hard, not forcing low percentage plays and refusing to get outworked.

Nah, we can draft and develop and then complain about Hagg, Morin and Gostisbehere when they don't come up from the AHL and play like Duncan Keith...because we celebrate a guy one week and poop on his plate the next.
- Jsaquella

complainers gonna' complain.

My problem is several tiers.

They have talent, but get outworked. They have a coach that talks about discipline and accountability, and holds 4 or 5 guys accountable and rarely if ever holds a star player's feet to the fire. They use line combos and defense pairs that don't work well together, and make no changes until they lose a couple. They continuously use guys out of position because of "hot streaks".

It's no better in the front office. The Ohhhhh Shiny approach to adding players remains and the defense is a tire fire.

The only good thing is that they have a winning record through sheer talent. They're not 3 years away, they're a couple of players AND much better discipline away. It's not just avoiding penalties, although that is huge. it's making smart plays, backchecking hard, not forcing low percentage plays and refusing to get outworked.
- Jsaquella

ehhh, just a few things, no worries

My problem is several tiers.

They have talent, but get outworked. They have a coach that talks about discipline and accountability, and holds 4 or 5 guys accountable and rarely if ever holds a star player's feet to the fire. They use line combos and defense pairs that don't work well together, and make no changes until they lose a couple. They continuously use guys out of position because of "hot streaks".

It's no better in the front office. The Ohhhhh Shiny approach to adding players remains and the defense is a tire fire.

The only good thing is that they have a winning record through sheer talent. They're not 3 years away, they're a couple of players AND much better discipline away. It's not just avoiding penalties, although that is huge. it's making smart plays, backchecking hard, not forcing low percentage plays and refusing to get outworked.
- Jsaquella

I agree: They shouldn't be three years away. They really shouldn't.

But damn if I can figure out how they're going to get two defensemen in here without giving up some serious assets -- even the trade today, Del Zotto for Klein, is one we can't make because we only have one in-his-prime defenseman who can skate

complainers gonna' complain.
- hammarby31

It's not even the complaining as much as the bi-polar nonsense.

Did I beat Laviolette needing to be fired into the ground? Absolutely. But I didn't waver from week to week on it.

And if I get proven wrong, I'll usually admit it and own up to it. But it's annoying that a bad streak means a guy sucks and will never produce or play well again.

I agree: They shouldn't be three years away. They really shouldn't.

But damn if I can figure out how they're going to get two defensemen in here without giving up some serious assets -- even the trade today, Del Zotto for Klein, is one we can't make because we only have one in-his-prime defenseman who can skate
- AllInForFlyers

Honestly, Luke Schenn would be more attractive to me than Klein, if I was the Rangers. But Klein will fit well for them.

They have a defenseman who would help, rotting away in the Shelley Suite. There's no way Erik Gustafsson should be sitting. Now, tonight, after Schenn's miscue, he'll sit for Gus, and Grossmann who had a horrible couple of weeks before a pretty good outing tonight, will remain in.

That's part of my issue. Grossmann will have two weeks of awful play. Schenn will have one bad night and boom, bench.

But I digress. Play Gus, he fills one hole you need filled.

It's not even the complaining as much as the bi-polar nonsense.

Did I beat Laviolette needing to be fired into the ground? Absolutely. But I didn't waver from week to week on it.

And if I get proven wrong, I'll usually admit it and own up to it. But it's annoying that a bad streak means a guy sucks and will never produce or play well again.
- Jsaquella

pretty easy to waver sometimes, no?

We are used to a much better, more consistent product, and the lack of effort isn't just from game to game, it's period to period, or even shift to shift, there is no excuse for getting outworked every night damn near, but that's more maddening then the fire tire D or the bad streaks.

Honestly, Luke Schenn would be more attractive to me than Klein, if I was the Rangers. But Klein will fit well for them.

They have a defenseman who would help, rotting away in the Shelley Suite. There's no way Erik Gustafsson should be sitting. Now, tonight, after Schenn's miscue, he'll sit for Gus, and Grossmann who had a horrible couple of weeks before a pretty good outing tonight, will remain in.

That's part of my issue. Grossmann will have two weeks of awful play. Schenn will have one bad night and boom, bench.

But I digress. Play Gus, he fills one hole you need filled.
- Jsaquella

not a whole lot Schenn could do on that, it's not like a slow forward was coming at him, I would have preferred he just took the penalty & dumped Gerbe

this was a frustrating night!

Honestly, Luke Schenn would be more attractive to me than Klein, if I was the Rangers. But Klein will fit well for them.

They have a defenseman who would help, rotting away in the Shelley Suite. There's no way Erik Gustafsson should be sitting. Now, tonight, after Schenn's miscue, he'll sit for Gus, and Grossmann who had a horrible couple of weeks before a pretty good outing tonight, will remain in.

That's part of my issue. Grossmann will have two weeks of awful play. Schenn will have one bad night and boom, bench.

But I digress. Play Gus, he fills one hole you need filled.
- Jsaquella

I'd always have played Gus, but the problem is exactly what you're saying: They won't. They just won't freaking do it. Or if they do, as soon as he makes a mistake, he's back in the Shelley Suite.

That's why I say they're going to need two: It's clear that, just like Tye McGinn, they're just not going to play them. I don't know why they won't, because it must be something that, as a fan, I just don't understand.

I don't understand why they won't play Gus. But they just won't do it.

It's not even the complaining as much as the bi-polar nonsense.

Did I beat Laviolette needing to be fired into the ground? Absolutely. But I didn't waver from week to week on it.

And if I get proven wrong, I'll usually admit it and own up to it. But it's annoying that a bad streak means a guy sucks and will never produce or play well again.
- Jsaquella

i agree.

and grossmann is your new lava.

pretty easy to waver sometimes, no?

We are used to a much better, more consistent product, and the lack of effort isn't just from game to game, it's period to period, or even shift to shift, there is no excuse for getting outworked every night damn near, but that's more maddening then the fire tire D or the bad streaks.
- puckhead17

It IS easy to waiver.

But you just have to be patient to see trends and look hard to recognize things. It's easier to say that a guy sucks than to look more deeply into what's going on.

I'd always have played Gus, but the problem is exactly what you're saying: They won't. They just won't freaking do it. Or if they do, as soon as he makes a mistake, he's back in the Shelley Suite.

That's why I say they're going to need two: It's clear that, just like Tye McGinn, they're just not going to play them. I don't know why they won't, because it must be something that, as a fan, I just don't understand.

I don't understand why they won't play Gus. But they just won't do it.
- AllInForFlyers

it's kind of how like rush refuses to play anything from caress of steel, which of course has my favorite song of theirs on it.