Seguin is a more dominant player than RNH.
Landeskog is more dominant than Hall.
Ryan Murray is better than Yakupov.

They might be good players, but they could be a better team.
- 13LEAFS01

its easier to compare Hall-Seguin and RNH-Landy considering those were the 1-2 guys in each draft

i don't think its nonsense. Remaking a team is a hard thing and I think the Oilers got lost in the hype. All are good players, but really this team could be better.

Just sayin....
- 13LEAFS01

It's purely opinion on your behalf, and few if any will agree with you.

Chris Neil is in double digits minus every year...Orr is a whopping -5 for the leafs through 5 seasons..not to mention Orr makes less than 1/2 Neils salary
- GardinerExpress

err Neil is a career -6, plays more minutes, has way more points and plays on the PP. I (frank)ing hate Christina Neil but I'd take that female dog all day every day over Orr. Neil and Thornton is how the tough guy roll should be played - can play hockey and chuck knuckles.

you guys have a funny definition of condescending.

i dont like your opinion so i am condescending.. got it
- Dozzer

A. I was on topic.
B. I wasn't muddying the waters?
C. My point was very clear.

So when I read this "sorry if you cant make your point doing so" it comes across as condecending.

To me.....anyway.

The point is that Clifford and Greene have actual function on their teams.
- sanfordnson

the same function as orr and mclaren... i know.

Seguin was drafted a different year than RNH.
No, he isn't.
It's their 2nd year and they play different positions.

You're still an idiot. This is the last little bit of attention I give you.
- sanfordnson

I was comparing the team as a whole...so Oilers draft Seguin (Center) over Hall (Winger), Landeskog (winger) over RNH (center), Ryan Murray (D) over Yakupov (winger), Valeri Nichushkin (winger) over Nurse (D).

All good picks, but better options were available. Just my opinion .....

err Neil is a career -6, plays more minutes, has way more points and plays on the PP. I (frank)ing hate Christina Neil but I'd take that female dog all day every day over Orr. Neil and Thornton is how the tough guy roll should be played - can play hockey and chuck knuckles.
- BlowMonkey

He hasnt had a + season since 06-07

Chris Neil is in double digits minus every year...Orr is a whopping -5 for the leafs through 5 seasons..not to mention Orr makes less than 1/2 Neils salary
- GardinerExpress

Orr hasn't fought in nearly 2 months. He has become useless.

the same function as orr and mclaren... i know.
- Rockhead_37

Not even close. You're being purposefully obtuse.

It's purely opinion on your behalf, and few if any will agree with you.
- sanfordnson

I have shared this opinion and most agree with me that I have spoken too....

If you were starting a team, which young core would you prefer?

Duchene
2009 #3

McKinnon
2013 #1

Landeskog
2011 #2

O'Reilly
2009 #33

Barrie
2009 #64

OR

Hall
2010 #1

Nugent-Hopkins
2011 #1

Yakupov
2012 #1

Eberle
2008 #22

Nurse
2013 #7
- 1979AD

Is this a trick question?

Orr hasn't fought in nearly 2 months. He has become useless.
- 1979AD

Gimme a useless 900k guy over a useless 1.9mil guy with 6 points any day

The avs... Landeskog is a more complete player than Hall, Duchene is the best of the lot, Mackinnon makes Yak look like a joke, altough Eberle has a slight edge over O'Rielly. Nurse will prob be better than Barrie.

JVR #2, Kessel #5, Rielly #5, Kadri #7, and Bernier #11 is a pretty decent young core as well
- GardinerExpress

They're both damn good starting points. I think the Avs have more balance in that core; more than just scoring potential.

I honestly don't think Lucic would give a poop. he hits Miller. Scott says "hey come here". Chara says, "No john. You don't want to do that."
- sanfordnson

Why wouldn't Scott want to?

No, because Orr has not, ever in his Leafs career...and I am looking at his (frank)ing Hockeyfights card for his career, fought anybody not known as a fighter other than a bout with a dude named Shaone Morrisson in 2010...

Frazer McLaren has fought one non-fighter...Josh (frank)ing Gorges.

This myth that tough guys will suddenly run down and pummel star players or cheap shotters in retaliation is a myth. It doesn't happen. That's what the cheap shotters do in response to that, a goon goes out, throws his fists at another teams lame goon and then that's the end. The real physical players that actually play the minutes to have emotions and battles bring the actual rivalry, not this fake staged WWF ripoff like Carkner vs Orr 7.0 Revenge of the meathead.
- AdamFrench

I believer Orr played rockem sockem with 1/2 the habs team last year....

3 rights and a left for 3 different players

dont ya know.. HB posters know more than NHL coaches.
- Dozzer

But most coaches don't use enforcers so I have to agree with you.

Chris Neil is in double digits minus every year...Orr is a whopping -5 for the leafs through 5 seasons..not to mention Orr makes less than 1/2 Neils salary
- GardinerExpress

Using +/- to compare players on different teams is as obsolete and useless as Colton Orr himself.

its easier to compare Hall-Seguin and RNH-Landy considering those were the 1-2 guys in each draft
- GardinerExpress

I really don't think they can complain about the Hall-RNH parts of their team. At the end of the day they are the best players.

It's what management was done with the supporting cast that is the bigger issue. Like why are Hemsky and Smyth still on this team? How can they hitch there wagon to a glofified AHL goalie (Dubnyk...now Scrivens). And finally....that defense is a mess.

I was comparing the team as a whole...so Oilers draft Seguin (Center) over Hall (Winger), Landeskog (winger) over RNH (center), Ryan Murray (D) over Yakupov (winger), Valeri Nichushkin (winger) over Nurse (D).

All good picks, but better options were available. Just my opinion .....
- 13LEAFS01

Which you're allowed. Hall/Seguin was always a debate. Looking at their respective careers taking Hall was anything but a wrong choice. Edmonton had Gagner or Horcoff as #1 Cs before so yeah taking Nuge was pretty easy. Yak and Murray have both played the equivalent of a full season so yeah its way too early to judge that. Edmonton finally takes a dman in the 1st....but they should have taken another winger instead lol. See how silly it looks typed out?

How the hell is there no salary cap in baseball? What a depressing time to be a Jays fan.
- ejeezy

meh.. i am over the Yanks spending twice what other teams do.. you can still have a competitive team and not break the bank

i am fine with little to no moves this off season... last season it created way too much hype that back fired.. this season I am expecting another cellar team..

I wish we had a different coach though ...same storyline as the leafs for me

If you were starting a team, which young core would you prefer?

Duchene
2009 #3

McKinnon
2013 #1

Landeskog
2011 #2

O'Reilly
2009 #33

Barrie
2009 #64

OR

Hall
2010 #1

Nugent-Hopkins
2011 #1

Yakupov
2012 #1

Eberle
2008 #22

Nurse
2013 #7
- 1979AD

Duchene is the best player in the bunch. I go with Colorado's lineup. Landeskog is a great winger too. I like Hall 2nd of all the players listed but Landeskog is damn good too. Also, I like O'Reilly's game; there's some sandpaper to it. Definitely Colorado's lineup. Hands down, no doubt about it.

I like Eberle and he'll always be loved for his Canada Clutch moment. But, still, Colorado.

I really don't think they can complain about the Hall-RNH parts of their team. At the end of the day they are the best players.

It's what management was done with the supporting cast that is the bigger issue. Like why are Hemsky and Smyth still on this team? How can they hitch there wagon to a glofified AHL goalie (Dubnyk...now Scrivens). And finally....that defense is a mess.
- stormeyAlterEgo

Common sense can be uncommon around here at times. ty.

Chicago has one middleweight guy who can still put the puck in the net. Bollig
They seem to be doing fine

Anaheim got rid of their goons, and they are doing just fine.

St Louis doesn't employ any goons, and they're doing .. fine.

Seems like most successful teams are losing the goons for 4th liners that can chip in pucks, be feisty, and throw fists only if need be. Orr and McLaren don't fit that model.
- ILoveLamp

Have you seen the size of those teams?

Anaheim elite players are 6'3-6'5
st Louis. backes . that is all.

thats a good way to gauge it actually

the leafs are playing well but they arent out of the woods yet
- Dozzer

Especially with everyone else having games in hand... not that all those games will be won of course, but some points will be gained, so they are not nearly as clear as the standings make them look. It will tighten up again over the next few weeks as other teams catch up.

Ottawa, Columbus, Philly and even NYI are not losing much these days. Before that it was NYR and NJY doing well.

This will be a dogfight until the end. I am actually concerned that we may end up out of the playoffs on a ROW tiebreaker.

But most coaches don't use enforcers so I have to agree with you.
- Canada Cup

http://www.hockeyfights.com/leaders/players/

very very very wrong

do you guys just make this crap up or do you actually bother with research?