Your argument that Orr being simply in the vicinity of the ice thus teams are afraid to hit hard and throw hits on talented players is the same irrationality that purports that if the teachers at Newton had guns they would have prevented the shooter from shooting the place up.
- AdamFrench

I'd think twice about it if they had guns.

well.. the majority of NHL coaches tend to lean towards my opinion

so argue all you want.. there is validity to what i am saying.
- Dozzer

Non=functional toughness, the goon, is an endangered species. Just last night Gazdic showed exactly how useful he is if the other player refuses to drop the gloves. Guys like Orr and Macleran show it on a regular basis as well.

if that was the case... you'd think every team would have gotten rid of their Orr's by now considering what Chicago has accomplished.

i would also say that yeah, the sabres are a better team when miller is worried about being run over....
- Rockhead_37

dont ya know.. HB posters know more than NHL coaches.

- BlowMonkey

When does this female dog play next?

dont ya know.. HB posters know more than NHL coaches.
- Dozzer

Be careful...Ron Wilson was in the house...

chicago had carcillo

try again.
- Dozzer

He played 4 games out of 23.

Now who is trying to muddy the waters?

chicago had carcillo

try again.
- Dozzer

deryk Engelland robert bortuzzo??

the better question is.. has lucic run over miller again?
- Dozzer

You think Lucic would hesitate to run over Miller again?

Seriously?

How the hell is there no salary cap in baseball? What a depressing time to be a Jays fan.

scott's job is to protect miller

stop trying to muddy the waters .. stay on topic

sorry if you cant make your point doing so
- Dozzer

I was on topic.

You asked if Lucic has run Miller since....obviously inferring that he hasn't because of Scott.

I countered that he hasn't run any other goalies since. Pretty sure it was easy to see my point...you know...through those muddy waters and all.

He played 4 games out of 23.

Now who is trying to muddy the waters?
- stormeyAlterEgo

he did only play 4.. he was put into the lineup whenever the other team started to take liberties

he would go in for a game, calm things down, and then be taken back out again.

used sparingly.. but still used for precisely the role i am talking about.

If you were starting a team, which young core would you prefer?

Duchene
2009 #3

McKinnon
2013 #1

Landeskog
2011 #2

O'Reilly
2009 #33

Barrie
2009 #64

OR

Hall
2010 #1

Nugent-Hopkins
2011 #1

Yakupov
2012 #1

Eberle
2008 #22

Nurse
2013 #7

Final four last year.

Not Chicago.
Boston has Thorton but he can play a bit.
Pens...nope.
Kings....nope.
- stormeyAlterEgo

By the time you are in the Semis - giving up a single power play has the potential cost you a game, there's no need for a guy like Orr. Carlyle probably wouldn't have been playing his enforcers against those teams either. But in the regular season and even against the Bruins in the playoffs, you need some muscle and there's still a place for those guys in the league.

I was on topic.

You asked if Lucic has run Miller since....obviously inferring that he hasn't because of Scott.

I countered that he hasn't run any other goalies since. Pretty sure it was easy to see my point...you know...through those muddy waters and all.
- stormeyAlterEgo

dont be childish or you can join jbold.

make your point and do so respectfully.

for all your arguments these guys still get ice time and contracts. just because you dont like it doesnt change a damn thing.

You think Lucic would hesitate to run over Miller again?

Seriously?
- Pecafan Fan

The deterrent would be the risk of retribution on Rask I would think. Lucic probably got crap from the coaching staff for that hit.

You think Lucic would hesitate to run over Miller again?

Seriously?
- Pecafan Fan

Every team would love a Lucic, or even a Clarkson (at less salary).

Tough guys that can play. Orr is a dinasaur now. Hockey is going back to the days when guys like Jonathon, O'reilly and even Dave Schultz could score goals.

You think Lucic would hesitate to run over Miller again?

Seriously?
- Pecafan Fan

yes actually.. i do.

If you were starting a team, which young core would you prefer?

Duchene
2009 #3

McKinnon
2013 #1

Landeskog
2011 #2

O'Reilly
2009 #33

Barrie
2009 #64

OR

Hall
2010 #1

Nugent-Hopkins
2011 #1

Yakupov
2012 #1

Eberle
2008 #22

Nurse
2013 #7
- 1979AD

The deterrent would be the risk of retribution on Rask I would think. Lucic probably got crap from the coaching staff for that hit.
- Woderwick

Lol, Rask is a basketcase. I don't think anyone would be eager to run him over.

yes actually.. i do.
- Dozzer

Lucic isn't scared of anyone in the league lol if he does actually hesitate it's because he's more afraid of the suspension than he is of Scott.

yes actually.. i do.
- Dozzer

Agree to disagree with you on this one.

yes actually.. i do.
- Dozzer

you're so naive...

Lucic isn't scared of anyone in the league lol if he does actually hesitate it's because he's more afraid of the suspension than he is of Scott.
- BlowMonkey

well i disagree with you

and look.. i did it without the obnoxious laughie faces

dont be childish or you can join jbold.

make your point and do so respectfully.

for all your arguments these guys still get ice time and contracts. just because you dont like it doesnt change a damn thing.
- Dozzer

How exactly was I being childish?

You asked me to make my point...I thought it was pretty clear what my point was.

BTW...I love toughness in hockey. Love fighting. But most of today's fighters have to be able to contribute in other aspects of the game. Orr cannot.


Guys like Neil and Thorton don't kill you when they are on the ice.

deryk Engelland robert bortuzzo??
- Rockhead_37

kyle clifford
matt greene

nolan?

edit... dont think richardson is who i was thinking of.

point being... all the teams have a form of toughness that can be described as useless in certain opinions.