When will you get it through you head . It will not happen at that price. We have a new GM that is not going to let his first transaction be hosed on the hottest goalie in the league right now. Keep posting the same things over and over. It will not make it come true. Let's hope your GM has more sense.

Plus making an aggressive move shows Miller you believe in him and it gives you the inside track at signing him before he becomes a UFA.
- Maximum Signal

what happens when the goalie walks at the end of the year and you get nothing?

what happens when the goalie walks at the end of the year and you get nothing?
- Blue Clam

There will be other takers. That is the problem, St Louis fans think there are no options. Like I said Your GM will come around if St Louis wants to take a serious run at the cup. Damn shame if he does not , you have a team there that is so close.

what happens when the goalie walks at the end of the year and you get nothing?
- Blue Clam

We acquire a 5th rounder for his negotiating rights while you guys watch some other team hoist the cup.

From whom? The only other team that may have any interest at all is the Caps and they have no cap room to take on even 1/2 of his contract.

In the end, Doug Armstrong will not negotiate against himself. The JayBo trade last year required a bold move at the final hour because Detroit came in the fray at the last minute. The goalie market is so entirely different than it is for skaters because you can only play one at a time. As a buyer, you have a better idea who you're competing against and you have more leverage.

The Sabres will get a 1st in the deal because someone will eventually pay that price. Anything more is just gravy, and Paajarvi will probably be a better sweetener than anyone else will offer. Like it or not, that is about the best Tim Murray will be able to do.
- bluenatic411

Never understood the infatuation with Paajarvi. Yes he's still only 22-years-old, and yes he was a top-ten pick less than five years ago, but he really has not showed much at all during his tenure in the NHL. He had a decent rookie campaign, but he has not been able to get consistent ice time to warrant being anything worthwhile.

Perhaps the Blues can send Jake Allen and a 1st or something like that. That would entice Buffalo's rebuild process even more. Ryan Miller is the kind of goalie that can put St. Louis over the hump, and if St. Louis is serious about making a deep cup run, then they make this [kind of] deal.

We acquire a 5th rounder for his negotiating rights while you guys watch some other team hoist the cup.
- Dwight K. Schrute

Which is exactly why they may end up only getting a 2nd rounder if the TDL approaches and no other suitors come forward. It's not like the Blues have nothing in net. I'd rather miss the Cup this season if the alternative involves losing players who could lead us to CUPS in the future. We don't need Miller that bad.

Never understood the infatuation with Paajarvi. Yes he's still only 22-years-old, and yes he was a top-ten pick less than five years ago, but he really has not showed much at all during his tenure in the NHL. He had a decent rookie campaign, but he has not been able to get consistent ice time to warrant being anything worthwhile.

Perhaps the Blues can send Jake Allen and a 1st or something like that. That would entice Buffalo's rebuild process even more. Ryan Miller is the kind of goalie that can put St. Louis over the hump, and if St. Louis is serious about making a deep cup run, then they make this
- TommyHawk[kind of] deal.

They need to keep Allen, unless they're trading him for a much younger elite goalie. In three years, this team will have a Top 9 that includes Backes, Oshie, Steen, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Jaskin, Rattie, Sobotka and probably a 2nd line C they acquire this offseason. The blueline will still have JBo, Petro, Cole and Shattenkirk in the Top 4. The team will still be very young and VERY talented. Allen is their goalie of the future and I just can't see them mortgaging that future for a Cup run this year by risking being in the same boat in three years - looking for an upgrade in net to be a Cup favorite and not just a Cup contender.

They need to keep Allen, unless they're trading him for a much younger elite goalie. In three years, this team will have a Top 9 that includes Backes, Oshie, Steen, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Jaskin, Rattie, Sobotka and probably a 2nd line C they acquire this offseason. The blueline will still have JBo, Petro, Cole and Shattenkirk in the Top 4. The team will still be very young and VERY talented. Allen is their goalie of the future and I just can't see them mortgaging that future for a Cup run this year by risking being in the same boat in three years - looking for an upgrade in net to be a Cup favorite and not just a Cup contender.
- bluenatic411

yeah i dont think it will be a lopsided trade. i heard a rumor that before the season it was oshie and a 2nd for miller so if it did happen it would probably be 2015 1st and a prospect like paajarvi or a first this year and a first next year. face it stl is not in contention for mcdavid so they would be willing to part with the 2015 1st but for buffalo we want as many of those as possible because it is a strong draft and we want as much draft currency for mcdavid

They need to keep Allen, unless they're trading him for a much younger elite goalie. In three years, this team will have a Top 9 that includes Backes, Oshie, Steen, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Jaskin, Rattie, Sobotka and probably a 2nd line C they acquire this offseason. The blueline will still have JBo, Petro, Cole and Shattenkirk in the Top 4. The team will still be very young and VERY talented. Allen is their goalie of the future and I just can't see them mortgaging that future for a Cup run this year by risking being in the same boat in three years - looking for an upgrade in net to be a Cup favorite and not just a Cup contender.
- bluenatic411

Funny that you think these cup chance will occur every year. Very delusional , when you have the chance you go for it. Who knows when everything perfectly aligns again.

Which is exactly why they may end up only getting a 2nd rounder if the TDL approaches and no other suitors come forward. It's not like the Blues have nothing in net. I'd rather miss the Cup this season if the alternative involves losing players who could lead us to CUPS in the future. We don't need Miller that bad.
- bluenatic411

Just keep thinking that when you are watching your favorite team at the golf course while the Stanley Cup finals are on.

Which is exactly why they may end up only getting a 2nd rounder if the TDL approaches and no other suitors come forward. It's not like the Blues have nothing in net. I'd rather miss the Cup this season if the alternative involves losing players who could lead us to CUPS in the future. We don't need Miller that bad.
- bluenatic411

This kind of logic never gets old.

You are seriously out of your ever-lovin' mind if you think the Blues trade any one of those players for a rental.

Schwartz and Tarasenko are going nowhere. Period.

The team's two best prospects will not be traded for a rental.

Put it this way - would you trade Grigorenko and a pick for Halak, even if you desperately needed a goalie to make the playoffs?
- bluenatic411

Are the Blues, or are they not, on the cusp of contending for a cup?

Then you trade a young potential stud for a chance to bring something that hockey fans in Missouri have never seen.

Miller may just be what that team needs to put them over the top. You sacrifice a young stud - and good lord, you horder , you guys certainly have enough of them - to win it all.

And Halak is not Miller, or else this conversation would be moot.

If your asking me if I would trade Grigorenko for a missing piece that would give me a better chance than not to win the cup, something our city has yet to see either, then I would tell you 100% YES.

Just keep thinking that when you are watching your favorite team at the golf course while the Stanley Cup finals are on.
- Maximum Signal

Rich coming from a Sabres fan. Rich.

This kind of logic never gets old.
- Dwight K. Schrute

So you would trade a 30% chance for multiple Cups for a 40% chance at one? Sure, my math is probably an exaggeration but if you know anything at all about the Blues you realize that this team is far from peaking. Their talent level is about 60-70% up the mountain and accelerating. You don't knock that train off the tracks for an incremental improvement towards one shot at glory.

So you would trade a 30% chance for multiple Cups for a 40% chance at one? Sure, my math is probably an exaggeration but if you know anything at all about the Blues you realize that this team is far from peaking. Their talent level is about 60-70% up the mountain and accelerating. You don't knock that train off the tracks for an incremental improvement towards one shot at glory.
- bluenatic411

Then move along. You apparently don't need Miller yet. Wait for Allen.

Rich coming from a Sabres fan. Rich.
- bluenatic411

Sabre fans know exactly what our team is right now. crap. When we were contending we wanted Darcy to make the moves to put us over the top. He didn't and now he's gone. So what.

So you would trade a 30% chance for multiple Cups for a 40% chance at one? Sure, my math is probably an exaggeration but if you know anything at all about the Blues you realize that this team is far from peaking. Their talent level is about 60-70% up the mountain and accelerating. You don't knock that train off the tracks for an incremental improvement towards one shot at glory.
- bluenatic411

Yes I do. If you win one Stanley Cup that is great. There is no assurance you can win 2 no matter what is in your pipeline. They don't grow on trees and there is never a guarantee that young players will bring their junior or minors success to the big club. Granted, you don't fully mortgage your future on a rental but what is to say Miller and the team don't come to an agreement for an extension?

what do you think washington is willing to part with for miller?

Yes I do. If you win one Stanley Cup that is great. There is no assurance you can win 2 no matter what is in your pipeline. They don't grow on trees and there is never a guarantee that young players will bring their junior or minors success to the big club. Granted, you don't fully mortgage your future on a rental but what is to say Miller and the team don't come to an agreement for an extension?
- Dwight K. Schrute

Not to mention, it's not like Murray would expect Rattie, Tarasenko, and Jaskin, plus a pick in return for Millsy. One of them (imo) plus a pick gets it done

So you would trade a 30% chance for multiple Cups for a 40% chance at one? Sure, my math is probably an exaggeration but if you know anything at all about the Blues you realize that this team is far from peaking. Their talent level is about 60-70% up the mountain and accelerating. You don't knock that train off the tracks for an incremental improvement towards one shot at glory.
- bluenatic411

do you think stl would part with paajarvi and a 2015 1st for miller?

what do you think washington is willing to part with for miller?
- joshs

I believe with the cap we have to take a contract back to make it work. I don't really know their prospects well.

I believe with the cap we have to take a contract back to make it work. I don't really know their prospects well.
- Dwight K. Schrute

yeah someone said wilson and erat for miller.

yeah someone said wilson and erat for miller.
- joshs

I'm not a fan of Erat but meh, I'm not a fan of many players on our team.

Which is exactly why they may end up only getting a 2nd rounder if the TDL approaches and no other suitors come forward. It's not like the Blues have nothing in net. I'd rather miss the Cup this season if the alternative involves losing players who could lead us to CUPS in the future. We don't need Miller that bad.
- bluenatic411

That's hilarious. All of it.

I'm not a fan of Erat but meh, I'm not a fan of many players on our team.
- Dwight K. Schrute

me too. obviously its looking like we got a few teams interested in miller, so thats always a good thing. wonder who is interested in moulson? also are we keeping ott?

me too. obviously its looking like we got a few teams interested in miller, so thats always a good thing. wonder who is interested in moulson? also are we keeping ott?
- joshs

I like Ott and I think Moulson will have alot of value come deadline. I could see a team like LA or Pittsburgh looking at him.