Oh (frank) ya......especially for 4 million per season! Not even close.
- The-O-G

If the salary was equal I would lean more toward Phaneuf but only very slightly (of course that is likely my bias talking). Gio is definitely a fantastic d-man and at $4M he is ridiculous.

I would offer our 2014 first rounder for Kadri.....

I might get lambasted on here for saying that but I honestly would.

I wouldn't for Gardiner, but I don't think we would have to move Mono, Gio, or our First this year to get him either as you are suggesting.

Hudler, Wideman, Glencross, Backlund.

I think there are other pieces, plus maybe a "lesser" prospect or draft pick which could get this done. Especially if the Flames retained some salary.
- The-O-G

Won't happen for the leafs if it was the pick straight up, we lose a key piece now with no guarantee we would draft a Reinhart level center. I didn't mean to suggest that Gardiner is worth those pieces also, I just meant I cannot see is moving him for a Glencross or Russel.

Definitely what I expected with the possible returns for Kadri and Gardiner though.

Won't happen for the leafs if it was the pick straight up, we lose a key piece now with no guarantee we would draft a Reinhart level center. I didn't mean to suggest that Gardiner is worth those pieces also, I just meant I cannot see is moving him for a Glencross or Russel.

Definitely what I expected with the possible returns for Kadri and Gardiner though.
- Steven_Dean

fair enough....ya I wouldn't think that our first this year for Kadri really makes any sense anyway. But if it was offered to the Flames I would hope they'd take it.

Okay don't crucify me here...

GlenX, Russell, Sven & a 2nd for Kadri and Gards.

Not sure about the cap situation for TO.

Not saying I would do this it was just food for thought.

As far as letting Russell go we still would have Gards and Brodie. Or replace Russell with Brodie in the trade. And then Kadri replaces Sven.

If the salary was equal I would lean more toward Phaneuf but only very slightly (of course that is likely my bias talking). Gio is definitely a fantastic d-man and at $4M he is ridiculous.
- Steven_Dean

Fair enough, but I think if you were to watch Gio more you would change your opinion. Gio is basically everything Toronto fans hoped Phaneuf would be. He's great offensively & defensively, he's physical/clears the net, and he's a great leader on and off the ice.

Not bashing phaneuf (cause Burke did get you a hell of deal), but I think Giordano beats Phaneuf in nearly every category. If the leafs had both Gio, and Phaneuf on the blue line the leafs d are no longer being laughed at by other teams around the league...

That being said, no way we give him up unless it's for a massive Overpayment...I'm thinking Reilly +, or Kadri ++, or Gardiner +++....so a trade probably doesn't make sense for the leafs.

Fair enough, but I think if you were to watch Gio more you would change your opinion. Gio is basically everything Toronto fans hoped Phaneuf would be. He's great offensively & defensively, he's physical/clears the net, and he's a great leader on and off the ice.

Not bashing phaneuf (cause Burke did get you a hell of deal), but I think Giordano beats Phaneuf in nearly every category. If the leafs had both Gio, and Phaneuf on the blue line the leafs d are no longer being laughed at by other teams around the league...

That being said, no way we give him up unless it's for a massive Overpayment...I'm thinking Reilly +, or Kadri ++, or Gardiner +++....so a trade probably doesn't make sense for the leafs.
- Saskabush

Agreed!

Okay don't crucify me here...

GlenX, Russell, Sven & a 2nd for Kadri and Gards.

Not sure about the cap situation for TO.
- whipper334

I think if we include Sven, we shouldn't have to throw in our 2nd (GlenX appealing contract should be worth something). They get 2 roster players who are both upgrades (it could be argued that Russell is offensive d, and the leafs don't need that, but I'd say he has been just as great defensively)...and Sven is a potential top 6 guy, who could one day develop into a top 3. To me Kadri will be a 3c, 2c at best centre, and Gardiner is a potential top 4 offensive defenseman.

...Interesting trade though

Okay don't crucify me here...

GlenX, Russell, Sven & a 2nd for Kadri and Gards.

Not sure about the cap situation for TO.

Not saying I would do this it was just food for thought.

As far as letting Russell go we still would have Gards and Brodie. Or replace Russell with Brodie in the trade. And then Kadri replaces Sven.
- whipper334

I think someone spiked the drink that you spiked. That's a huge overpay don't you think Whip? Glenx with his awesome cap and salary not to mention what he brings on the ice. Russell with the year he's having and our best prospect and a very high 2nd? I wouldn't do this. Maybe, and that's big maybe, take out Sven and I would think about it.

I think someone spiked the drink that you spiked. That's a huge overpay don't you think Whip? Glenx with his awesome cap and salary not to mention what he brings on the ice. Russell with the year he's having and our best prospect and a very high 2nd? I wouldn't do this. Maybe, and that's big maybe, take out Sven and I would think about it.
- TandA4Flames

Glencross is older, has a similar contract, less productive, and more injury prone than Kadri (I'm only referring to his injury this season but I wanted to include it in my rant, lol).

Gardiner and Russel are similar players and I see no point in the leafs making that swap unless it is to sweeten a bigger deal for the Leafs and you think Kadri, Gardiner for Glencross, Russel, 2nd is a fair deal?

I'm not sure what the hype is for Glencross here but he isn't worth a much younger top 6 forward. Maybe a prospect 2 years out of the NHL with top 6 potential but no way we give up Kadri for him.

With Sven in the deal the Leafs can stand to make the downgrade at forward (and lose our best center potential wise but I still wouldn't do it, we don't need more wingers as bad to make a bigger hole at center.

Glencross is older, has a similar contract, less productive, and more injury prone than Kadri (I'm only referring to his injury this season but I wanted to include it in my rant, lol).

Gardiner and Russel are similar players and I see no point in the leafs making that swap unless it is to sweeten a bigger deal for the Leafs and you think Kadri, Gardiner for Glencross, Russel, 2nd is a fair deal?

I'm not sure what the hype is for Glencross here but he isn't worth a much younger top 6 forward. Maybe a prospect 2 years out of the NHL with top 6 potential but no way we give up Kadri for him.

With Sven in the deal the Leafs can stand to make the downgrade at forward (and lose our best center potential wise but I still wouldn't do it, we don't need more wingers as bad to make a bigger hole at center.
- Steven_Dean

I think your missing the point. I don't care if its fair, we don't need those players that badly so why overpay? And, yea, I actually do think its fair all things considered.

I think your missing the point. I don't care if its fair, we don't need those players that badly so why overpay? And, yea, I actually do think its fair all things considered.
- TandA4Flames

Which makes you a bigger homer than me. And yes Calgary definitely needs those players if they want to be competitive in 2-3 years. If Calgary wants to go the 4+ year rebuild route then yes you don't need Kadri or Gardiner.

Which makes you a bigger homer than me. And yes Calgary definitely needs those players if they want to be competitive in 2-3 years. If Calgary wants to go the 4+ year rebuild route then yes you don't need Kadri or Gardiner.
- Steven_Dean

If it's going to cost us all of our young players to acquire these two godly players, that for some reason aren't good enough for a bubble playoff team, then I guess we are idiots. We will be just fine without Kadri and Gardiner, they only help us if we don't frank up what we started by selling the farm.

If it's going to cost us all of our young players to acquire these two godly players, that for some reason aren't good enough for a bubble playoff team, then I guess we are idiots. We will be just fine without Kadri and Gardiner, they only help us if we don't frank up what we started by selling the farm.
- Saskabush

Hahaha, yeah if Glencross is "the farm" to you then I would trade for anybody ever.

I can understand that Calgary doesn't have much depth and to get a guy like Kadri means giving up something you don't want to move making the deal impossible but don't think that low value vets and mid round picks are going to get you a potential star player.

There is nothing wrong with a 5+ year rebuild like Edmonton but if you want to speed it up then you have to be willing to make risky deals.