Your kidding right??????
Bailey has no value right now, let alone enough value to obtain an Elite W
- Ur Not Me

He is right. Bailey had value at that time. Moulson was gone by what game 8? Bailey had decent numbers.

He is right. Bailey had value at that time. Moulson was gone by what game 8? Bailey had decent numbers.
- mrock

Are you trying to compare Moulson to Bailey?
Bailey coming off signing a 5 year contract for $3M and hasn't produced consistently since being drafted, has more value than Moulson who has produced consistently since being on team....

Are you really being serious??????

no, i think it would've made sense to begin with. the whole chemistry deal that i know you guys hate
- rangerdanger94

Chemistry is great when it doesn't effect the rest of the team in a negative way. I saw that you are interested in Moulson at the deadline. I'll put it to you this way, I'd be happy if you guys got Moulson.

Are you trying to compare Moulson to Bailey?
Bailey coming off signing a 5 year contract for $3M and hasn't produced consistently since being drafted, has more value than Moulson who has produced consistently since being on team....

Are you really being serious??????
- Ur Not Me

pretty sure bailey was one of your best players down the stretch and in the playoffs last season and wouldn't him being locked up relatively cheap and being young add more value to him for a team like buffalo that will struggle to sign UFAs and retain their own FAs due to their rebuild?

maybe you're right and they didn't want bailey, but i think that it could've been done perhaps.

Chemistry is great when it doesn't effect the rest of the team in a negative way. I saw that you are interested in Moulson at the deadline. I'll put it to you this way, I'd be happy if you guys got Moulson.
- Cptmjl

is moulson really that bad defensively? or are there other issues like he's a bad presence in the lockerroom?

Not even in the early part of the season or any other season. Bailey has been an enigma of sorts. He has not put up consistent numbers to even warrant value of an Elite W.
The downfall to Bailey is that he's been rushed and not developed properly, but the only upside is that he's still young enough but Isles need a better coach who might help him become a better player.....
- Ur Not Me

correct

Like I said in the post, Snow had to gamble and bring in an Elite W for JT and early into the season. Only time will tell if Vanek resigns or not? But the risk is worth it by a mile. No Elite FA is being attracted to the island, so the next best thing is to trade for 1. Moulson is a nice player and would command a high salary that is not worth it and Snow wouldn't have signed him to his demands. Vanek is a much better player by far and getting him early into the season allows Vanek to see what NY has to offer, which gives Isles a legitimate chance to resign. And if Vanek does not sign here, Snow would trade him and he still can bring something back of worth.

Also like I mentioned before, this year draft is very weak and unless Isles are top 3, there's really no stud player coming out worthy, so yes, picks are picks and the isles have had many, time to speed up the rebuild coming off last year......
- Ur Not Me

I just don't think it was worth it unless Vanek resigns. And if I were Vanek, I would 100% want to test FA unless NYI made me a Parise-type offer. NYI are a team with very good young players, but I feel they just pissed away a 1st round pick for a quick upgrade for 1 year. We'll see.

is moulson really that bad defensively? or are there other issues like he's a bad presence in the lockerroom?
- rangerdanger94

No, he was well liked but he is the true definition of a one trick pony. I understand why some fans miss him but I was more concerned with him getting resigned then anything else. He was completely ineffective anywhere else than on JT's wing but that first line was held back with him on it. I can't count how many times they'd get stuck in their own zone from a direct result of Moulson's play.

No, he was well liked but he is the true definition of a one trick pony. I understand why some fans miss him but I was more concerned with him getting resigned then anything else. He was completely ineffective anywhere else than on JT's wing but that first line was held back with him on it. I can't count how many times they'd get stuck in their own zone from a direct result of Moulson's play.
- Cptmjl

like you said, all he does is score goals and that's the type of player the rangers need. outside of nash, nobody else is a pure goal scorer. kreider doesn't have the consistency in his finishing yet and after that, richards is our best sniper. a guy like moulson is exactly who we need in the offensive zone.

I just don't think it was worth it unless Vanek resigns. And if I were Vanek, I would 100% want to test FA unless NYI made me a Parise-type offer. NYI are a team with very good young players, but I feel they just pissed away a 1st round pick for a quick upgrade for 1 year. We'll see.
- jmatchett383

Its was def worth it, its rare that teams trade away Elite W.
Isles have at least have a track record of signing guys who have been here long enough to see what NY has to offer. Grant it, Vanek might test the FA market which is his right but might not be able to play with a caliber of JT's talent.
My only thing is, if Snow was going to make a splash like that wish it could of been a player who is signed to a contract. But those players are unlikely to become unavailable or can not match up on a trade.
I would of preferred Bobby Ryan instead, but Ducks wanted a young proven player back w/no salary.
So sometimes their is no match on trades .....

Its was def worth it, its rare that teams trade away Elite W.
Isles have at least have a track record of signing guys who have been here long enough to see what NY has to offer. Grant it, Vanek might test the FA market which is his right but might not be able to play with a caliber of JT's talent.
My only thing is, if Snow was going to make a splash like that wish it could of been a player who is signed to a contract. But those players are unlikely to become unavailable or can not match up on a trade.
I would of preferred Bobby Ryan instead, but Ducks wanted a young proven player back w/no salary.
So sometimes their is no match on trades .....
- Ur Not Me

if he re-signs then obviously it was worth it. and if you salvage something by trading him at the deadline, it makes the experiment worth it. but there's literally zero way you can argue that if you don't trade him and he walks in the summer that it was worth it. you would literally have lost a 1st and a 2nd and whatever you could've traded moulson for as a rental (probably another 1st and 2nd) for nothing.

this trade was an extremely high risk high reward type deal. we will know by the deadline or summer if it paid off.

like you said, all he does is score goals and that's the type of player the rangers need. outside of nash, nobody else is a pure goal scorer. kreider doesn't have the consistency in his finishing yet and after that, richards is our best sniper. a guy like moulson is exactly who we need in the offensive zone.
- rangerdanger94

My point is he's a second liner without a Tavares type player feeding him. Than on the second line he's a middling player with no defensive game to speak of. Do you have a Tavares type center? We both know the answer to that so than what do you do with him? He is so bad in other areas that he can single handily ruin a lines effectiveness by getting pinned in his own zone and his horrible play in the neutral zone or along the boards. If the guy finds chemistry I guess anything is possible but Moulson is not a player I'd take that chance with his other glaring deficiencies. Fans that didn't watch him consistently look at his numbers and think he's much, much, more than what he is.

if he re-signs then obviously it was worth it. and if you salvage something by trading him at the deadline, it makes the experiment worth it. but there's literally zero way you can argue that if you don't trade him and he walks in the summer that it was worth it. you would literally have lost a 1st and a 2nd and whatever you could've traded moulson for as a rental (probably another 1st and 2nd) for nothing.

this trade was an extremely high risk high reward type deal. we will know by the deadline or summer if it paid off.
- rangerdanger94

Yep.

My point is he's a second liner without a Tavares type player feeding him. Than on the second line he's a middling player with no defensive game to speak of. Do you have a Tavares type center? We both know the answer to that so than what do you do with him? He is so bad in other areas that he can single handily ruin a lines effectiveness by getting pinned in his own zone and his horrible play in the neutral zone or along the boards. If the guy finds chemistry I guess anything is possible but Moulson is not a player I'd take that chance with his other glaring deficiencies. Fans that didn't watch him consistently look at his numbers and think he's much, much, more than what he is.
- Cptmjl

i'll take your word for it. he still has 15 goals on a terrible sabres team so he's still finding ways to bury, and that's basically what i'd like him on the rangers. but i'll have to trust your word that he's basically directly responsible for goals against, losing momentum, etc.

if he re-signs then obviously it was worth it. and if you salvage something by trading him at the deadline, it makes the experiment worth it. but there's literally zero way you can argue that if you don't trade him and he walks in the summer that it was worth it. you would literally have lost a 1st and a 2nd and whatever you could've traded moulson for as a rental (probably another 1st and 2nd) for nothing.

this trade was an extremely high risk high reward type deal. we will know by the deadline or summer if it paid off.
- rangerdanger94

I would hope to think that Snow has to investigate the contract demands and decide whether they can be met or knows that Vanek has to be traded by the deadline. If neither happens, then this is an EPIC failure on Snow alone and should be fired immediately and all fans should completely boycott this team until changes are made for the sake of the fans......!!!!!!

i'll take your word for it. he still has 15 goals on a terrible sabres team so he's still finding ways to bury, and that's basically what i'd like him on the rangers. but i'll have to trust your word that he's basically directly responsible for goals against, losing momentum, etc.
- rangerdanger94

Im not a stat guy, but how many goals did Moulson have when he left the isles?
So the real question is how many has he scored since being in Buffalo?

Im not a stat guy, but how many goals did Moulson have when he left the isles?
So the real question is how many has he scored since being in Buffalo?
- Ur Not Me

he has 9 goals and 12 assists in 34 games with buffalo.

My point is he's a second liner without a Tavares type player feeding him. Than on the second line he's a middling player with no defensive game to speak of. Do you have a Tavares type center? We both know the answer to that so than what do you do with him? He is so bad in other areas that he can single handily ruin a lines effectiveness by getting pinned in his own zone and his horrible play in the neutral zone or along the boards. If the guy finds chemistry I guess anything is possible but Moulson is not a player I'd take that chance with his other glaring deficiencies. Fans that didn't watch him consistently look at his numbers and think he's much, much, more than what he is.
- Cptmjl

moulson is better than you're giving him credit for...he is just not as good as his stats say, so i agree with that. but to put him down as much as you are isn't right either. he has proven he can bury the puck. maybe hes getting "garbage goals" but hes constantly in the right place at the right time and he takes an absolute beating to earn those goals. don't discredit him THAT much

moulson is better than you're giving him credit for...he is just not as good as his stats say, so i agree with that. but to put him down as much as you are isn't right either. he has proven he can bury the puck. maybe hes getting "garbage goals" but hes constantly in the right place at the right time and he takes an absolute beating to earn those goals. don't discredit him THAT much
- slapshot018

I will though. I dont know how many tines ive seen him skate away from plays in the neutral zone? Avoid the boards and not make a play that lead to a goal against? Countless times and completely useless on any line besides the first. Hes not a good player. Islander fans and otherwise look at his numbers and say he's worth it even with his deficiencies but he's not if he's holding your line back. Tavares isnt stuck picking up the pieces now and he's got more room out there anyone can see that. That wasnt the case with moulson.

I will though. I dont know how many tines ive seen him skate away from plays in the neutral zone? Avoid the boards and not make a play that lead to a goal against? Countless times and completely useless on any line besides the first. Hes not a good player. Islander fans and otherwise look at his numbers and say he's worth it even with his deficiencies but he's not if he's holding your line back. Tavares isnt stuck picking up the pieces now and he's got more room out there anyone can see that. That wasnt the case with moulson.
- Cptmjl

buffalo fans say that he's been great there. no defensive issues, no decision making issues. they actually say he takes less punishment in the dirty areas than vanek did, but still goes there.

overall, he's a "poor man's vanek" they say and they wouldn't trade him back for vanek, in terms of the type of winger their team needed/needs.

Its was def worth it, its rare that teams trade away Elite W.
Isles have at least have a track record of signing guys who have been here long enough to see what NY has to offer. Grant it, Vanek might test the FA market which is his right but might not be able to play with a caliber of JT's talent.
My only thing is, if Snow was going to make a splash like that wish it could of been a player who is signed to a contract. But those players are unlikely to become unavailable or can not match up on a trade.
I would of preferred Bobby Ryan instead, but Ducks wanted a young proven player back w/no salary.
So sometimes their is no match on trades .....
- Ur Not Me

So you're telling me that it is a good trade even if Vanek walks at the end of the year? Giving away Moulson and a first is definitely worth a 1-year rental? Why are you not already an NHL GM?

I will though. I dont know how many tines ive seen him skate away from plays in the neutral zone? Avoid the boards and not make a play that lead to a goal against? Countless times and completely useless on any line besides the first. Hes not a good player. Islander fans and otherwise look at his numbers and say he's worth it even with his deficiencies but he's not if he's holding your line back. Tavares isnt stuck picking up the pieces now and he's got more room out there anyone can see that. That wasnt the case with moulson.
- Cptmjl

all credibility lost. vanek is far and away better...but to say moulson is not good is silly.

all credibility lost. vanek is far and away better...but to say moulson is not good is silly.
- slapshot018

Agreed. Moulson's a very good supporting player, but he shouldn't be your #1 guy.

So you're telling me that it is a good trade even if Vanek walks at the end of the year? Giving away Moulson and a first is definitely worth a 1-year rental? Why are you not already an NHL GM?
- jmatchett383

Ur trying to twist my words.......????
I said the trade is worth it bc Isles had to take a risk on bringing in an Elite W.
From my other posts, if u have read them mentioned that getting Vanek here early would only benefit the isles of possibly signing him here long term for the fact of seeing what NY has to offer.
Also from another posts states that if Snow doesn't do his due diligence of knowing what Vanek's contract demands/or start negotiating for one, and that if Vanek decides to test the FA market and Snow doesn't flip him for an asset/assets then its all an EPIC fail by Snow.

But we all wont know that until the deadline or summertime...
So the conclusion of this trade is not really closed yet...

buffalo fans say that he's been great there. no defensive issues, no decision making issues. they actually say he takes less punishment in the dirty areas than vanek did, but still goes there.

overall, he's a "poor man's vanek" they say and they wouldn't trade him back for vanek, in terms of the type of winger their team needed/needs.
- rangerdanger94

Of course they do. If he's been that good for them they probably shouldn't be discussing trading him?