and thats totally fine if you feel that way, because you are conceding that the majority of his statistics come from playing with the best player out there.

what gets me is the well kunitz sucks, its only because of the team he plays on. followed by a crosby is overrated. i dont see how someone can generate that logical progression and not be in some sort of home
- stayinthefnnet

Well, he had a pair of 20+ goal seasons on those (very good) Ducks teams. But he's definitely gotten major help by playing with Crosby, which has made hima better player. But I still don't think he's Team Canada material. Outside of the 09 playoffs, he's been "meh" at best when it counts the most.

Man, I just looked at the list of 10th overall picks. What a pick of death. The last player who I'd consider an impact player taken 10th was Bobby Holik (89), and the last superstar was Selanne (88). Other than that, Jocelyn Thibault was the best (RIP Bourdon).

http://www.mynhldraft.com...icks/10th-overall/100509/
- jmatchett383

On the plus side... the 11th overall does pretty good.

On the plus side... the 11th overall does pretty good.
- youarewrong

Seems to. Hope that rings true for 2013.

Well, he had a pair of 20+ goal seasons on those (very good) Ducks teams. But he's definitely gotten major help by playing with Crosby, which has made hima better player. But I still don't think he's Team Canada material. Outside of the 09 playoffs, he's been "meh" at best when it counts the most.
- jmatchett383

thats fine by me too. team canada is the most stacked team in the world. thinking he doesnt deserve to be on that isnt synonymous with saying he sucks. but whether he belongs on the team or not is really only a piece of the argument thats been driving me nuts. if someone thinks hes a scrub player (theyre wrong, but thats besides the point), you are essentially declaring crosby as so good that he can turn a scrub into a 40 goal scorer. but yet at the same time, that same person will try and say how crosby himself is overrated and not really the top guy in the league. regardless of how someone forms either of these assumptions, i dont know how they can coexist simultaneously in their brain, as they are kind of mutually exclusive

thats fine by me too. team canada is the most stacked team in the world. not thinking he doesnt deserve to be on that isnt synonymous with saying he sucks. but whether he belongs on the team or not is really only a piece of the argument thats been driving me nuts. if someone thinks hes a scrub player (theyre wrong, but thats besides the point), you are essentially declaring crosby as so good that he can turn a scrub into a 40 goal scorer. but yet at the same time, that same person will try and say how crosby himself is overrated and not really the top guy in the league. regardless of how someone forms either of these assumptions, i dont know how they can coexist simultaneously in their brain, as they are kind of mutually exclusive
- stayinthefnnet

Well, some people would argue that Gretzky turned Jari Kurri into a 600-goal scorer (from, say, a 400-goal scorer) but there's a host of people out there who (somehow) say Gretzky was overrated.

Well, some people would argue that Gretzky turned Jari Kurri into a 600-goal scorer (from, say, a 400-goal scorer) but there's a host of people out there who (somehow) say Gretzky was overrated.
- jmatchett383

yeah, but what gets me is when those two sects of thinking overlap in the same person.

yeah, but what gets me is when those two sects of thinking overlap in the same person.
- stayinthefnnet

I get you. If it was me, I just wouldn't care. Opinions are like mothers: everyone has one, and they've all been (frank)ed. Yeah, I just came up with that. I'm so witty.

Point is, your team has been gifted, I mean, blessed with, the best player in the game. I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think of him.

yeah, but what gets me is when those two sects of thinking overlap in the same person.
- stayinthefnnet

Kunitz and Dupuis suck... and Crosby is over-rated.

Voracek and Hartnell suck... and Giroux is over-rated.
- youarewrong

swidt?

I get you. If it was me, I just wouldn't care. Opinions are like mothers: everyone has one, and they've all been (frank)ed. Yeah, I just came up with that. I'm so witty.

Point is, your team has been gifted, I mean, blessed with, the best player in the game. I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think of him.
- jmatchett383

My question is, How is it possible that Pittsburgh boo'd Bettman like every other NHL City. They should be on thier knees for him....

swidt?
- jmatchett383

All true.

My question is, How is it possible that Pittsburgh boo'd Bettman like every other NHL City. They should be on thier knees for him....
- youarewrong

For him to not get booed by any fanbase, he would have to basically walk out when the Cup's presented, beat up every member of the winning team, and drive The Cup to that team's city. Six years in a row.

I get you. If it was me, I just wouldn't care. Opinions are like mothers: everyone has one, and they've all been (frank)ed. Yeah, I just came up with that. I'm so witty.

Point is, your team has been gifted, I mean, blessed with, the best player in the game. I wouldn't worry too much about what other people think of him.
- jmatchett383

as dumb as it sounds, its more about just being blatantly wrong and overconfident in that fact despite how logically flawed it is that upsets me more than anything. its more just stupidity irking me than anything hockey related.

as dumb as it sounds, its more about just being blatantly wrong and overconfident in that fact despite how logically flawed it is that upsets me more than anything. its more just stupidity irking me than anything hockey related.
- stayinthefnnet

Well to be honest, Crosby could be over-rated and still make players around him better. I mean, the way people talk about crosby (Panger) you would think he was Gretzky or Lemieux... which is over-rating him... but he can still be a great player and be over-rated.

Back in Tampa for a 2nd rounder...
- JW98FlyerFan

Sorry he'll only get a 5th rounder back.

Per Corey Pronman, Anthony Stolarz looked to have been cut by a skate in a game tonight, bleeding & stretchered off

Stolarz suffers nasty cut to leg and has left the game on a stretcher

You've got to be (frank)ing kidding me

Is everything ok?

You've got to be (frank)ing kidding me

Is everything ok?
- Giroux_Is_God

They usually don't use a stretcher for a minor cut.

They usually don't use a stretcher for a minor cut.
- PhillySportsGuy

I know, but there's a difference between bleeding a lot and actually having damage, ya know?

You've got to be (frank)ing kidding me

Is everything ok?
- Giroux_Is_God

They have not made anything known, I had the Oshawa game on but with 2 laptops I put that on one as they replayed the cut & have it on to see if they say anything during the broadcast.

They have not made anything known, I had the Oshawa game on but with 2 laptops I put that on one as they replayed the cut & have it on to see if they say anything during the broadcast.
- ob18

....that picture....

It looks dangerously close to the back of the knee

They usually don't use a stretcher for a minor cut.
- PhillySportsGuy

It was around the upper calf area and plenty of blood was on the ice.

much better Lindros video:

- FlyerGuy

amazing how many Lindros hits would be penalties in todays game. he left his feet and launched himself a lot on many of those hits. God I watching Eric play

It was around the upper calf area and plenty of blood was on the ice.
- ob18

Hopefully he's ok. Could have gotten an artery.