Hey, someone that is realistic.

The Blues are not giving up Berglund, Oshie, Stewart, or Tarasenko.

Buffalo wouldn't likely want back Halak, so there would have to be a deal somewhere else for Miller to come here. I don't see it happening. Maybe Miller will sign here in the offseason. Honestly, that is the best chance of him coming here IMO.
- carcus

Fine just asking. Appreciate the Blues feedback.
I do think you are grossly underestimating what Ryan Miller brings to the table. Especially the Blues! What a fit great goalie, great D and some pretty good forwards too. For a team w 0 cups like us, you go for it.
Miller is CONSISTENTLY outstanding.
Grab him before Olympics and if he's in net, enjoy the ride as we did four years ago.

What about counter w Miller and a 2nd rounder/prospect for Tarasenko and Halak more so for salary.
We could then either keep Halak or get back our pick

Can everyone please stfu with all the Conner McDavid talk ? Its hard to belive any true fan would want the Sabres to be that bad next season.Some people just like misery and something to talk about.
- buffalo 1

Are you serious? He's a organization changer, ie Mario Lemieux did for Penguins.
Are you content with squeeking into playoffs and maybe winning a round?
I've been a fan for nearly forty years and we have not been in this position to succeed ever. Nice young core, bottom dwelling and that rare talent coming up within a year.
Only than opening wallet and getting players make sense.
I remember nice group of young guys in early 80's pretty good but were never in position to add the game changer trough draft. Turgeon came 5 years later but is not close to comparable.

Why don't u stop accepting mediocrity as a best case scenario d'wad. We get a nice top talent this years draft and in excellent position for McDavid.
Obviously, I would live nothing more for Sabres to succeed and use the Isles pick on McDavid, but that probably won't happen.

You can't just buy a cup

Fine just asking. Appreciate the Blues feedback.
I do think you are grossly underestimating what Ryan Miller brings to the table. Especially the Blues! What a fit great goalie, great D and some pretty good forwards too. For a team w 0 cups like us, you go for it.
Miller is CONSISTENTLY outstanding.
Grab him before Olympics and if he's in net, enjoy the ride as we did four years ago.

What about counter w Miller and a 2nd rounder/prospect for Tarasenko and Halak more so for salary.
We could then either keep Halak or get back our pick
- doctordizzle

Nope. You still have Tarasenko in your proposal.

Hey, someone that is realistic.

The Blues are not giving up Berglund, Oshie, Stewart, or Tarasenko.

Buffalo wouldn't likely want back Halak, so there would have to be a deal somewhere else for Miller to come here. I don't see it happening. Maybe Miller will sign here in the offseason. Honestly, that is the best chance of him coming here IMO.
- carcus

There will be an arms race in the west with 4 teams being bonafide contenders. I can see Ott, Mouslon, and Miller all going to either St. Louis, LA,CHI, or ANA.

Miller will get a decent return if the Blues really want him.

IMO a 1st and a prospect.

Nope. You still have Tarasenko in your proposal.
- carcus

Sorry you feel your team is not serious about making a run for the cup . The pieces do not fall in place every year . They seem to be there for St. Louis . That one extra piece might be what it takes . You never know till you go for it. Wish the Sabres would have been willing to make that move when we were in position to . Now we have to wait till all the pieces fall in place again.
The West has too many other teams that will be willing to take that extra step. St. Louis has a good team . It takes a great team to Win the Cup

Nope. You still have Tarasenko in your proposal.
- carcus

Blues w/o Miller can't beat the Kings.
Miller is your counter for Quick.
With Miller, I'm loving Blues all the way.
The west is currently a much better brand of hockey than the east

Can u imagine how motivated Miller would be to beat Quick, especially if Quick is indeed the US goalie. I actually hope for Blues and Miller's sake something happens.

What are you willing to give up? You know Miller is your final piece, everyone does.
Tarasenko/Halak -
Miller who else? Stafford if you can take on contract somehow? Done plus say a second?

Sorry you feel your team is not serious about making a run for the cup . The pieces do not fall in place every year . They seem to be there for St. Louis . That one extra piece might be what it takes . You never know till you go for it. Wish the Sabres would have been willing to make that move when we were in position to . Now we have to wait till all the pieces fall in place again.
The West has too many other teams that will be willing to take that extra step. St. Louis has a good team . It takes a great team to Win the Cup
- Maximum Signal

Agee wholeheartedly!!!!

When you're in position, you go for it!
Ba*ls!
Not stupid Regier, not willing to move pieces. F that.
He was good for us at moment collecting maximum value in picks but failed miserably when it counted, adding by subtracting and betting to win!

Blues are kinda like Sabres sister team.
Traditionally decent regular season(except last 10 maybe), no cups, wear blue and gold/yellow and a touch of red.

Blues, go for it. Grab the cup and hopefully we can follow in a few years!

Blues w/o Miller can't beat the Kings.
Miller is your counter for Quick.
With Miller, I'm loving Blues all the way.
The west is currently a much better brand of hockey than the east

Can u imagine how motivated Miller would be to beat Quick, especially if Quick is indeed the US goalie. I actually hope for Blues and Miller's sake something happens.

What are you willing to give up? You know Miller is your final piece, everyone does.
Tarasenko/Halak -
Miller who else? Stafford if you can take on contract somehow? Done plus say a second?
- doctordizzle

Sorry, Tarasenko is not going to be traded. You can ask over and over again, the answer will not change regardless of who you throw in there.

Sorry you feel your team is not serious about making a run for the cup . The pieces do not fall in place every year . They seem to be there for St. Louis . That one extra piece might be what it takes . You never know till you go for it. Wish the Sabres would have been willing to make that move when we were in position to . Now we have to wait till all the pieces fall in place again.
The West has too many other teams that will be willing to take that extra step. St. Louis has a good team . It takes a great team to Win the Cup
- Maximum Signal

Tarasenko is needed for making a run for the cup. Not only for this year, but for years to come.

I would rather have Tarasenko & Halak and take my chances, rather than just have Miller.

Miller is great, but he is not going to land Buffalo Tarasenko.

There will be an arms race in the west with 4 teams being bonafide contenders. I can see Ott, Mouslon, and Miller all going to either St. Louis, LA,CHI, or ANA.

Miller will get a decent return if the Blues really want him.

IMO a 1st and a prospect.
- sbroads24

Ok, I could see that. But we would also have to deal Halak somewhere because of the cap, and need Buffalo to eat some of Miller's cap.

A 1st and a prospect might be worth it if the Blues could make it work without changing their roster players. (and get Miller extended)

Not really interested in Miller if it means moving position players, and no future years of Miller. A 1st and a prospect is a lot for a rental.

Tarasenko is needed for making a run for the cup. Not only for this year, but for years to come.

I would rather have Tarasenko & Halak and take my chances, rather than just have Miller.

Miller is great, but he is not going to land Buffalo Tarasenko.
- carcus

Too Bad , Enjoy a great regular Season . As what you have right now probably just won't be enough to get it done in the west. We know all too well about heroic regular seasons only to have Stanley Cup playoff letdown here in Buffalo

Carcus is right in that Tarasenko isn't going anywhere. He will be key to the cup run. This guys has ridiculous potential that he is just starting to tap. He and schwartz on the ELCs will be key for multiple runs. Vova and Schwartz will be significant cogs in the Blues team for years to come.

If the Blues had more cap room, a Bouwmeester deal is what you were looking at. As a refresher, that trade from the Blues standpoint was a late first rounder, a goalie prospect who was never going to play for the Blues and was biding his time overseas, and a very undersized d prospect who didn't fit into the Blues plans at all. So they traded 2 prospects who were out of their plans and a late first rounder. of course they were dealing with Feaster, .

The deal is hard because of $$$...how much is Buffalo willing to eat in his salary while still not getting a huge bump in return for doing so?

Jaskin would seem to make sense as part of a Miller trade but Hitchcock seems to have a man crush on him so I am skeptical that they will part ways with him and you still have the Cap issues. Rattie could be a likely cog but again this doesn't help the cap issues.

So what would the other trade possibilities be....Stewart with not much else would start to help the $ side of things assuming Halak is moved too. I bet the Blues would do Roy for Miller as the majority of the deal but I can't see Buffalo doing that. The only other logical place is Berglund where the dollars again work fairly well with Halak being moved.

If I'm Blues management and I can make these net moves, i would at least consider it...

Blues get a 2nd and a prospect they like (not a complete blue chip one of course) from say Washington or even a 1st for Halak (washington easily could overpay more so than most teams - see erat, see memories of halak knocking them out of the playoffs, etc.). [unfortunately washington would need to salary dump to make room for halak]

Blues give up Stewart or Roy or Berglund and a fourth rd or so for Miller.

Essentially the Blues trade one of the three aforementioned plus Halak for Miller, a prospect and draft improvement.

How much are they willing to pay/give up in multiple moves to "upgrade" to Miller and how much do they see that upgrade as really being?

Btw...Sabres fans are great but how do you all tolerate reading Garth?

Is the haddock fish and chips at the bar by the arena still amazing? lol

man I wish we could get beef on weck here.

How about Miller to St Louis for 2 1st and 2 2nd round picks and Halak. He's worth it!

Carcus is right in that Tarasenko isn't going anywhere. He will be key to the cup run. This guys has ridiculous potential that he is just starting to tap. He and schwartz on the ELCs will be key for multiple runs. Vova and Schwartz will be significant cogs in the Blues team for years to come.

If the Blues had more cap room, a Bouwmeester deal is what you were looking at. As a refresher, that trade from the Blues standpoint was a late first rounder, a goalie prospect who was never going to play for the Blues and was biding his time overseas, and a very undersized d prospect who didn't fit into the Blues plans at all. So they traded 2 prospects who were out of their plans and a late first rounder. of course they were dealing with Feaster, .

The deal is hard because of $$$...how much is Buffalo willing to eat in his salary while still not getting a huge bump in return for doing so?

Jaskin would seem to make sense as part of a Miller trade but Hitchcock seems to have a man crush on him so I am skeptical that they will part ways with him and you still have the Cap issues. Rattie could be a likely cog but again this doesn't help the cap issues.

So what would the other trade possibilities be....Stewart with not much else would start to help the $ side of things assuming Halak is moved too. I bet the Blues would do Roy for Miller as the majority of the deal but I can't see Buffalo doing that. The only other logical place is Berglund where the dollars again work fairly well with Halak being moved.

If I'm Blues management and I can make these net moves, i would at least consider it...

Blues get a 2nd and a prospect they like (not a complete blue chip one of course) from say Washington or even a 1st for Halak (washington easily could overpay more so than most teams - see erat, see memories of halak knocking them out of the playoffs, etc.).
- stljam[unfortunately washington would need to salary dump to make room for halak]

Blues give up Stewart or Roy or Berglund and a fourth rd or so for Miller.

Essentially the Blues trade one of the three aforementioned plus Halak for Miller, a prospect and draft improvement.

How much are they willing to pay/give up in multiple moves to "upgrade" to Miller and how much do they see that upgrade as really being?

You don't something for nothing , especially a key piece in your puzzle . It will take a little sacrifice to get your key piece for a cup.

No.

Tarasenko is one of our best NHL forwards. Not a prospect, and an even worse deal for the Blues than Berglund.


- carcus

Is Tarasenlo going to light the lamp 50+ per season...because Miller is going to keep the puck out of the 1.5x that over your current goalies in a season...D and Goaltending win cups, not 1 35 goal scorer. Munch on that and get back to me.

Miller, Moulson, 3rd
Tarasenko, Halak

Is Tarasenlo going to light the lamp 50+ per season...because Miller is going to keep the puck out of the 1.5x that over your current goalies in a season...D and Goaltending win cups, not 1 35 goal scorer. Munch on that and get back to me.
- IonSabres

If Miller is so damned good and worth that much you should probably re-sign him.

If Miller is so damned good and worth that much you should probably re-sign him.
- golfingsince

Would love to but with his age and our current state, is it right? I mean we won't be contending within the next 2 years and he may be in his prime right now. Our goal isn't to win this year.
Plus I think Miller deserves better

Would love to but with his age and our current state, is it right? I mean we won't be contending within the next 2 years and he may be in his prime right now. Our goal isn't to win this year.
Plus I think Miller deserves better
- Simple

I just don't see the Blues giving away Tarasenko for 4 months of Miller. The kid is going to be a stud. I'm sure they'll part with a pick and a goalie.

Carcus is right in that Tarasenko isn't going anywhere. He will be key to the cup run. This guys has ridiculous potential that he is just starting to tap. He and schwartz on the ELCs will be key for multiple runs. Vova and Schwartz will be significant cogs in the Blues team for years to come.

If the Blues had more cap room, a Bouwmeester deal is what you were looking at. As a refresher, that trade from the Blues standpoint was a late first rounder, a goalie prospect who was never going to play for the Blues and was biding his time overseas, and a very undersized d prospect who didn't fit into the Blues plans at all. So they traded 2 prospects who were out of their plans and a late first rounder. of course they were dealing with Feaster, .

The deal is hard because of $$$...how much is Buffalo willing to eat in his salary while still not getting a huge bump in return for doing so?

Jaskin would seem to make sense as part of a Miller trade but Hitchcock seems to have a man crush on him so I am skeptical that they will part ways with him and you still have the Cap issues. Rattie could be a likely cog but again this doesn't help the cap issues.

So what would the other trade possibilities be....Stewart with not much else would start to help the $ side of things assuming Halak is moved too. I bet the Blues would do Roy for Miller as the majority of the deal but I can't see Buffalo doing that. The only other logical place is Berglund where the dollars again work fairly well with Halak being moved.

If I'm Blues management and I can make these net moves, i would at least consider it...

Blues get a 2nd and a prospect they like (not a complete blue chip one of course) from say Washington or even a 1st for Halak (washington easily could overpay more so than most teams - see erat, see memories of halak knocking them out of the playoffs, etc.).
- stljam[unfortunately washington would need to salary dump to make room for halak]

Blues give up Stewart or Roy or Berglund and a fourth rd or so for Miller.

Essentially the Blues trade one of the three aforementioned plus Halak for Miller, a prospect and draft improvement.

How much are they willing to pay/give up in multiple moves to "upgrade" to Miller and how much do they see that upgrade as really being?

I agree here. If ALL St Louis fans are saying that Taresenko is going no where...then you would think you would start to believe it. Your not going to give up a guy for UFA that may/may not being you a cup. I would be willing to give up more to bring Miller in IF we sign him to an extension, but only if. Otherwise I would expect a "Jaybo" type of deal, unless we trade a roster player because of salary...my vote would be Stewart.

Don't think that Buffalo is trading from a position of strength here. Miller is a UFA and there are only so many teams that can even make the deal for Miller. Armstrong is a very patient man and wont make the deal unless it makes sense for the Blues. Besides, as people have said in this thread, the Blues dont have to make a deal. They have 2 competent goalies (even after last night), so they are not being forced into anything.

I just don't see the Blues giving away Tarasenko for 4 months of Miller. The kid is going to be a stud. I'm sure they'll part with a pick and a goalie.
- golfingsince

Agree. Always depends on what side your on as a fan. Buffalo sees it, Blues don't. I was just trying to spark some thoughts. If I were a Blues fan, it would be very tough to give up Tarasenko for most.

Miller, Moulson, 3rd
Tarasenko, Halak
- Simple

You guys just don't get it. How many ways do I have to say no Tarasenko?

Oh, and if you were going to throw another deal out there with him included, no again.

Is Tarasenlo going to light the lamp 50+ per season...because Miller is going to keep the puck out of the 1.5x that over your current goalies in a season...D and Goaltending win cups, not 1 35 goal scorer. Munch on that and get back to me.
- IonSabres

What does this even mean?

And not to be rude, but the Blues don't need D tips from Buffalo.

You guys just don't get it. How many ways do I have to say no Tarasenko?

Oh, and if you were going to throw another deal out there with him included, no again.
- carcus

What if Miller agrees to extension? I would love to be able to keep Miller but as another pointed out he's a wasting away here, as I might add as Hasek did. Not that I should compare the two but similar...end result, midwest cups to true Sabres???(still wish Perreault got traded to the Oilers in 86)

Hasek gets his cup in Detroit. I would be happy if Miller gets his cup in St. Louis.

If it's not Tarasenko fine, but he's the ideal target for us. Maybe we add more, I dunno gets complicated w Salary and all can't just add Moulson, Stafford etc.
Although I think Ott would add a nice tough component to Blues run, especially come playoff time

Regardless good luck on landing Miller. You can bet Western NY will become Blues fans and boost up Blues TV ratings to number 1 during playoffs

But I would say no Tarasenko, no Miller. Keep your bottom 1st rd draft picks, we've got enough coming