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The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jan 16 @ 4:34 PM ET
Poor Hemskeet skeet.......


What is that I hear? Is that Cammy's value going up?
striker777
Joined: 09.08.2012

Jan 16 @ 4:34 PM ET
I just woke up from this crazy dream.

I dreamt that MacTavish traded Dubnky, eating 1/2 his salary for the remainder of the year to Nashville for Hendricks & his 1.85 for 3.5 more years, then turned around & flipped a 3rd, a very high end 3rd for Scrivens. leaving us with only our lottery pick in the top 3 this year.

I knew it couldn't be true though, not even Mactavish & Lowe could be that stupid.

Pardon me I better be careful. Speaking like that has Craig threatening to kick the s--- out of you followed by Kevin throwing you out the door on your ass never to return.

Ha-Ha!

For the love of God make it stop.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jan 16 @ 4:35 PM ET
I just woke up from this crazy dream.

I dreamt that MacTavish traded Dubnky, eating 1/2 his salary for the remainder of the year to Nashville for Hendricks & his 1.85 for 3.5 more years, then turned around & flipped a 3rd, a very high end 3rd for Scrivens. leaving us with only our lottery pick in the top 3 this year.

I knew it couldn't be true though, not even Mactavish & Lowe could be that stupid.

Pardon me I better be careful. Speaking like that has Craig threatening to kick the s--- out of you followed by Kevin throwing you out the door on your ass never to return.

Ha-Ha!

For the love of God make it stop.

- striker777


haha....the trades weren't THAT bad....but your post was hilarious
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 16 @ 4:45 PM ET
haha....the trades weren't THAT bad....but your post was hilarious

- The-O-G

What's funny is how people are worried about only having one draft pick early on. Yet the pick we do have could probably be traded down for about 300 picks if it was allowed. That and we don't need (frank)ing mid-round picks anymore.
striker777
Joined: 09.08.2012

Jan 16 @ 4:48 PM ET
haha....the trades weren't THAT bad....but your post was hilarious

- The-O-G


Ha-ha!

I know. I actually like Hendricks. Really he's a reasonable #3 C who was playing as a #4 RW in Nashville. He is solid in the face off circle & brings some grit. I get the possesssion # concerns but the don't extrapolate well to all players. Hendricks biggest strength is his penalty killing. You don't spend much time with the puck in that scenario you get it down the ice & out of your zone as quickly as possible.

I don't like the goalie swap though & certainly not when you have to eat 1/2 of Duby's $.

I could play great in net in LA behind that team & at the same time there isn't a hope in hell Scrivens will post the same #'s, goals against or save % in Edmonton. Changing the goalie isn't the solution specificly. I'm tired of beating this horse.

This is a team issue. Hendricks helps but unless Edmonton's #1 & #2 lines make some effort to back check, or at least pick up their asignments, or you significantly reduce their 5 on 5 minutes your going to keep getting scored on. They can't seem to play anything that remotely even looks like they care if the other team scores.

When you couple that with a defense that is by far the wrost in the league, that maybe has 2 NHL Dman that play regularly minutes on most other teams in the NHL you need to stop blaming the goalie. Dubnyk was a reasonable goalie. As your about to witness in Nashville.

I can't wait to hear the winers when he starts posting very decent #'s in Nashville, because you crucified him on this site. Like any & all Edmonton goalies his confidence was shocked he saw such much quality rubber coming his way. Some of you like to mention that Miller see's the same # of shots in Buffalo. He does & slightly more but they aren't of the same quality. Buffalo pushes everything to the outside & forces shots from there. Edmonton is giving up way better scoring chances that few goalies could stop consistently.
striker777
Joined: 09.08.2012

Jan 16 @ 4:56 PM ET
What's funny is how people are worried about only having one draft pick early on. Yet the pick we do have could probably be traded down for about 300 picks if it was allowed. That and we don't need (frank)ing mid-round picks anymore.
- Lahey


Lahey.

I don't care they spent a 3rd but for Scrivens. He & Dubnyk are a wash at best. I would have kept Dubnyk.

Nashville probably would have eaten 500K a year on Hendricks deal to move him & gladly taken a late mid round pick to correct that signing & get him off the books so they can get Forsberg back up to Nashville after the Olympic break.

Hendricks will help & I don't want to slight him. Even at 1.85 he will help defensively but at the cost of Dubnyk & a 3rd. That's mismanagement in action in Edmonton yet again.

I'm just getting tired of it. It's like their throwing darts or have some wierd NHL weegee board in Lowes office.
ChetManly
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I think Chet Manly is the worst poster on this site - James Tanner
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jan 16 @ 4:57 PM ET
Ha-ha!

I know. I actually like Hendricks. Really he's a reasonable #3 C who was playing as a #4 RW in Nashville. He is solid in the face off circle & brings some grit. I get the possesssion # concerns but the don't extrapolate well to all players. Hendricks biggest strength is his penalty killing. You don't spend much time with the puck in that scenario you get it down the ice & out of your zone as quickly as possible.

I don't like the goalie swap though & certainly not when you have to eat 1/2 of Duby's $.

I could play great in net in LA behind that team & at the same time there isn't a hope in hell Scrivens will post the same #'s, goals against or save % in Edmonton. Changing the goalie isn't the solution specificly. I'm tired of beating this horse.

This is a team issue. Hendricks helps but unless Edmonton's #1 & #2 lines make some effort to back check, or at least pick up their asignments, or you significantly reduce their 5 on 5 minutes your going to keep getting scored on. They can't seem to play anything that remotely even looks like they care if the other team scores.

When you couple that with a defense that is by far the wrost in the league, that maybe has 2 NHL Dman that play regularly minutes on most other teams in the NHL you need to stop blaming the goalie. Dubnyk was a reasonable goalie. As your about to witness in Nashville.

I can't wait to hear the winers when he starts posting very decent #'s in Nashville, because you crucified him on this site. Like any & all Edmonton goalies his confidence was shocked he saw such much quality rubber coming his way. Some of you like to mention that Miller see's the same # of shots in Buffalo. He does & slightly more but they aren't of the same quality. Buffalo pushes everything to the outside & forces shots from there. Edmonton is giving up way better scoring chances that few goalies could stop consistently.

- striker777

Actually, a number of people have said that they hope he does well down in Nashville. It should be good for him to be playing behind a solid defensive team and system. I expect him to rebound. Dubnyk shat the bed this year for us, it was obvious he wasn't going to be resigned.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jan 16 @ 5:07 PM ET
I assume they simply just told you this.
- Jeropotato

Why would you assume that?
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jan 16 @ 5:08 PM ET
I just woke up from this crazy dream.

I dreamt that MacTavish traded Dubnky, eating 1/2 his salary for the remainder of the year to Nashville for Hendricks & his 1.85 for 3.5 more years, then turned around & flipped a 3rd, a very high end 3rd for Scrivens. leaving us with only our lottery pick in the top 3 this year.

I knew it couldn't be true though, not even Mactavish & Lowe could be that stupid.

Pardon me I better be careful. Speaking like that has Craig threatening to kick the s--- out of you followed by Kevin throwing you out the door on your ass never to return.

Ha-Ha!

For the love of God make it stop.

- striker777

haha is right, since those third round picks so often turn out to be impact NHL players. Fire them immediately. Trading a third. indeed.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:11 PM ET
Lahey.

I don't care they spent a 3rd but for Scrivens. He & Dubnyk are a wash at best. I would have kept Dubnyk.

Nashville probably would have eaten 500K a year on Hendricks deal to move him & gladly taken a late mid round pick to correct that signing & get him off the books so they can get Forsberg back up to Nashville after the Olympic break.

Hendricks will help & I don't want to slight him. Even at 1.85 he will help defensively but at the cost of Dubnyk & a 3rd. That's mismanagement in action in Edmonton yet again.

I'm just getting tired of it. It's like their throwing darts or have some wierd NHL weegee board in Lowes office.

- striker777
What value do you think Dubnyk had? He was brutal this year, yes we are doing poorly but when this team was playing real good to start the year he sucked worse than any goalie we've seen in a lot of years.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:11 PM ET
haha is right, since those third round picks so often turn out to be impact NHL players. Fire them immediately. Trading a third. indeed.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Best 3rd rounder we have taken lately?

Teddy "BBC" Peckham
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jan 16 @ 5:11 PM ET
Lahey.

I don't care they spent a 3rd but for Scrivens. He & Dubnyk are a wash at best. I would have kept Dubnyk.

Nashville probably would have eaten 500K a year on Hendricks deal to move him & gladly taken a late mid round pick to correct that signing & get him off the books so they can get Forsberg back up to Nashville after the Olympic break.

Hendricks will help & I don't want to slight him. Even at 1.85 he will help defensively but at the cost of Dubnyk & a 3rd. That's mismanagement in action in Edmonton yet again.

I'm just getting tired of it. It's like their throwing darts or have some wierd NHL weegee board in Lowes office.

- striker777

The Oilers organization is probably in the weakest position tradewise out of every NHL franchise. Until they start winning that won't change, so this is how deals will go.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jan 16 @ 5:15 PM ET
Best 3rd rounder we have taken lately?

Teddy "BBC" Peckham

- Lahey

Just for poops and giggles, I looked up the third round of the 2003 NHL draft, generally recognized as probably one of if not the strongest draft ever.

Three regular NHLers: Colin Fraser, Daniel Carcillo, Clarke Macarthur.

I sure hope we dont give up a gamebreaker like one of those three.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jan 16 @ 5:17 PM ET
Klesla just got waived. Would cost us $750K I believe on an expiring contract. Worth a pick up?
- ystoil


He was waived earlier in the year I thought? I don't think he's worth it. He'll be playing in Europe next year.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jan 16 @ 5:19 PM ET
Poor Hemskeet skeet.......


What is that I hear? Is that Cammy's value going up?

- The-O-G


Well its not hard when you start from zero to go up...
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jan 16 @ 5:20 PM ET
I just woke up from this crazy dream.

I dreamt that MacTavish traded Dubnky, eating 1/2 his salary for the remainder of the year to Nashville for Hendricks & his 1.85 for 3.5 more years, then turned around & flipped a 3rd, a very high end 3rd for Scrivens. leaving us with only our lottery pick in the top 3 this year.

I knew it couldn't be true though, not even Mactavish & Lowe could be that stupid.

Pardon me I better be careful. Speaking like that has Craig threatening to kick the s--- out of you followed by Kevin throwing you out the door on your ass never to return.

Ha-Ha!

For the love of God make it stop.

- striker777


If you didn't like these moves youre very blind. Duby was not doing anything for us. And we'll end up with more draft picks once we ship more of the poop out.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jan 16 @ 5:22 PM ET
Ha-ha!

I know. I actually like Hendricks. Really he's a reasonable #3 C who was playing as a #4 RW in Nashville. He is solid in the face off circle & brings some grit. I get the possesssion # concerns but the don't extrapolate well to all players. Hendricks biggest strength is his penalty killing. You don't spend much time with the puck in that scenario you get it down the ice & out of your zone as quickly as possible.

I don't like the goalie swap though & certainly not when you have to eat 1/2 of Duby's $.

I could play great in net in LA behind that team & at the same time there isn't a hope in hell Scrivens will post the same #'s, goals against or save % in Edmonton. Changing the goalie isn't the solution specificly. I'm tired of beating this horse.

This is a team issue. Hendricks helps but unless Edmonton's #1 & #2 lines make some effort to back check, or at least pick up their asignments, or you significantly reduce their 5 on 5 minutes your going to keep getting scored on. They can't seem to play anything that remotely even looks like they care if the other team scores.

When you couple that with a defense that is by far the wrost in the league, that maybe has 2 NHL Dman that play regularly minutes on most other teams in the NHL you need to stop blaming the goalie. Dubnyk was a reasonable goalie. As your about to witness in Nashville.

I can't wait to hear the winers when he starts posting very decent #'s in Nashville, because you crucified him on this site. Like any & all Edmonton goalies his confidence was shocked he saw such much quality rubber coming his way. Some of you like to mention that Miller see's the same # of shots in Buffalo. He does & slightly more but they aren't of the same quality. Buffalo pushes everything to the outside & forces shots from there. Edmonton is giving up way better scoring chances that few goalies could stop consistently.

- striker777


Whats the big deal about eating half of his remaining salary? It doesn't hurt us at all.
TheTaoOfSemenko
Vegas Golden Knights
Joined: 07.01.2009

Jan 16 @ 5:23 PM ET
Whats the big deal about eating half of his remaining salary? It doesn't hurt us at all.
- Iggysbff

Yeah but KLowe and MacT...
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jan 16 @ 5:24 PM ET
Lahey.

I don't care they spent a 3rd but for Scrivens. He & Dubnyk are a wash at best. I would have kept Dubnyk.

Nashville probably would have eaten 500K a year on Hendricks deal to move him & gladly taken a late mid round pick to correct that signing & get him off the books so they can get Forsberg back up to Nashville after the Olympic break.

Hendricks will help & I don't want to slight him. Even at 1.85 he will help defensively but at the cost of Dubnyk & a 3rd. That's mismanagement in action in Edmonton yet again.

I'm just getting tired of it. It's like their throwing darts or have some wierd NHL weegee board in Lowes office.

- striker777


I love how people throw this stuff out there. You don't know poop about what Nashville will or wont do.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jan 16 @ 5:26 PM ET
Yeah but KLowe and MacT...
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Right...I forgot! How dumb of me!
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:35 PM ET
Right...I forgot! How dumb of me!
- Iggysbff

dum fuk
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:38 PM ET
He was waived earlier in the year I thought? I don't think he's worth it. He'll be playing in Europe next year.
- Iggysbff

I'm kinda torn, I don't really see room or him as much of an upgrade but at the same time MacT could very well have told PHX waive him again we'll take him off your hands.

MacT seems very good at attempting something was a bad move and moving on. Maybe they are done with Potter and are going to get Klesla in? He is a NHL vet of 650+ GP, maybe it's something MacT wants?

To be clear, I really don't care either way. Just wonder with the timing if it makes sense.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jan 16 @ 5:39 PM ET
Best 3rd rounder we have taken lately?

Teddy "BBC" Peckham

- Lahey


In past decade: 3rd rounders that have played more than 40-50 NHL games

2013 - none
2012 - none
2011 - none
2010 - Radko Gudas, Michael Bournival
2009 - Tyson Barrie, Reilly Smith, Cody Eakin, Braydon McNabb
2008 - Lance Bouma, Michael Stone, Zack Smith, Adam Henrique, Brandon McMillan
2007 - Drayson Bowman, Yannick Weber, Alex Killorn, Bortuzzo, Nick Palmeiri, Joacim Andersen
2006 - Steve Mason, Brad Marchand, Ryan White Cal Clutterbuck, BBC, Tom Sestito
2005 - Letang, Russell, Quick, Franson, Fraser, Bishop


Not many impact players there out of 300 taken in that time frame....
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jan 16 @ 5:44 PM ET
In past decade: 3rd rounders that have played more than 40-50 NHL games

2012 - none
2011 - none
2010 - Radko Gudas, Michael Bournival
2009 - Tyson Barrie, Reilly Smith, Cody Eakin, Braydon McNabb
2008 - Lance Bouma, Michael Stone, Zack Smith, Adam Henrique, Brandon McMillan
2007 - Drayson Bowman, Yannick Weber, Alex Killorn, Bortuzzo, Nick Palmeiri, Joacim Andersen
2006 - Steve Mason, Brad Marchand, Ryan White Cal Clutterbuck, BBC, Tom Sestito
2005 - Letang, Russell, Quick, Franson, Fraser, Bishop


Not many impact players there out of 300 taken in that time frame....

- Iggysbff

Since 2000 our best was Peckham, 1999 we did well with Comrie though. It's just a friggin crap shoot. The other thing is how long until those guys actually made any sort of impact?

We need to be spending more draft picks and getting NHL talent back. Why waste a 3rd on a guy that takes forever to maybe develop when you can get a legit player now that is probably better than what you'd draft anyway?
HB77
Edmonton Oilers
Location: PC is a genius for drafting mcdavid
Joined: 02.20.2007

Jan 16 @ 5:52 PM ET
Ha-ha!

I know. I actually like Hendricks. Really he's a reasonable #3 C who was playing as a #4 RW in Nashville. He is solid in the face off circle & brings some grit. I get the possesssion # concerns but the don't extrapolate well to all players. Hendricks biggest strength is his penalty killing. You don't spend much time with the puck in that scenario you get it down the ice & out of your zone as quickly as possible.

I don't like the goalie swap though & certainly not when you have to eat 1/2 of Duby's $.

I could play great in net in LA behind that team & at the same time there isn't a hope in hell Scrivens will post the same #'s, goals against or save % in Edmonton. Changing the goalie isn't the solution specificly. I'm tired of beating this horse.

This is a team issue. Hendricks helps but unless Edmonton's #1 & #2 lines make some effort to back check, or at least pick up their asignments, or you significantly reduce their 5 on 5 minutes your going to keep getting scored on. They can't seem to play anything that remotely even looks like they care if the other team scores.

When you couple that with a defense that is by far the wrost in the league, that maybe has 2 NHL Dman that play regularly minutes on most other teams in the NHL you need to stop blaming the goalie. Dubnyk was a reasonable goalie. As your about to witness in Nashville.

I can't wait to hear the winers when he starts posting very decent #'s in Nashville, because you crucified him on this site. Like any & all Edmonton goalies his confidence was shocked he saw such much quality rubber coming his way. Some of you like to mention that Miller see's the same # of shots in Buffalo. He does & slightly more but they aren't of the same quality. Buffalo pushes everything to the outside & forces shots from there. Edmonton is giving up way better scoring chances that few goalies could stop consistently.

- striker777

why is that relevant at all?

we have the money. we're basically sellers or at least not in need of any real dollars at the moment to acquire a big name at the TD.
and it probably was the icing on the cake for poile who DID need the extra cash if he has plans to make more moves to get into the dance. if it harmed our chances of resigning a free agent in the offseason or something, that would be one thing. but it's nothing of the sort.

half of salary for half the season when we could afford it and then off the books at th end of the season shouldnt even be a consideration one way or another to anyone outside of darryl katz.

it's next to meaningless from our side

i kind of equate this to leaf fans claiming on being the richest franchise in hockey as if it's some sort of badge of honour that the owner of the team they cheer for happens to have fukloads of money.
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