I didn't read half you re poopty blog MATT or any comments but I looked at your title and you should have a little respect when his numbers were out of this world in the last two years with this poopty team u cant even say something good about the guy further proves the point no1 wants to come here. Learn some respect instead of going with the grain yes dub had a bad season but kicking a guy when he is down is gut less. Sure he gave in like the rest of the oilers but every1 has giving in and has been given so much time. We would be lucky to have RC back, he may have changed opinions but he didn't give in like a little school girl. You re writing for the idiots on here and not what is true. My title 4 u is inverted lips a wet blog by Matt Henderson for the boys. You re like the slutty school girl that likes 5 guys at the house party but instead of picking 1 you made every1 happy. You need to learn what the oilers do, respect. Cause you have non. Good luck Dub and best wishes in the future which u deserve to bad like Smid u had to take the fall.
- time2produce

Clouts and Dubs are allot alike. They both suck.[/img]

I'd say these are decent moves by the oil. they aren't moves that are going to put the team over the top (obviously) but, given the fact that the cost was minimal, it's worth taking the chance. sometimes all a player needs is a change of scenery, or even just a chance to be "the guy", and he flourishes.

so what do you guys think about the edm/ott hemsky rumours. TSN says all it will take is a 3rd to get him.........I think sens might pay a bit more, maybe like a greening or something (definitely not zach smith). what are your guys thoughts?

not about the cap. fans just hoped edm has learned from belanger, eager, smithson, etc. that 4th liners shouldn't be held to such a high value or be paid so much

hendricks could be a decent 4th liner but not at the cost of, imo, edm's best goalie
- oilerfan94

I really don't think we were going to re-sign Dubnyk, so really it's for two months of (potentially) Edmonton's best goalie.

And there you go mentioning what he's paid. Cost and term only matter in terms of what it allows or impedes us to do. Hendrick's contract is absolutely irrelevant.

I really don't think we were going to re-sign Dubnyk, so really it's for two months of (potentially) Edmonton's best goalie.

And there you go mentioning what he's paid. Cost and term only matter in terms of what it allows or impedes us to do. Hendrick's contract is absolutely irrelevant.
- Morris

i don't think it hurts you guys. i think it could hurt a cash strapped team (like ottawa ). not sure what the oils financials are like, but i'm assuming that they're okay. if that's the case, yes the contract sucks (relative to the players ability), but i agree that it's not crippling to the franchise.

I'd say these are decent moves by the oil. they aren't moves that are going to put the team over the top (obviously) but, given the fact that the cost was minimal, it's worth taking the chance. sometimes all a player needs is a change of scenery, or even just a chance to be "the guy", and he flourishes.

so what do you guys think about the edm/ott hemsky rumours. TSN says all it will take is a 3rd to get him.........I think sens might pay a bit more, maybe like a greening or something (definitely not zach smith). what are your guys thoughts?
- sensarmy_11

wouldn't be surprised if we liked Greening - that's the kind of guy that (for better or worse) the Oilers like.

I was really high on him, then I read some things Yost wrote about his WOWYs and in keeping tabs it seems like maybe his time in the sun is coming to an end.

Perspective?

i don't think it hurts you guys. i think it could hurt a cash strapped team (like ottawa ). not sure what the oils financials are like, but i'm assuming that they're okay. if that's the case, yes the contract sucks (relative to the players ability), but i agree that it's not crippling to the franchise.
- sensarmy_11

I just don't understand why people count "how would you feel if you were Darryl Katz right now?" into the equation.

The Oilers haven't been within 5 million of the cap in - as far as I know - the history of the cap.


And I'd certainly rather overpay Hendricks by 50% of his contract than a guy like Clarkson by 50% of his contract.

wouldn't be surprised if we liked Greening - that's the kind of guy that (for better or worse) the Oilers like.

I was really high on him, then I read some things Yost wrote about his WOWYs and in keeping tabs it seems like maybe his time in the sun is coming to an end.

Perspective?
- Morris

it's hard to say with greening. the potential is definitely there. he's a big body, is EASILY ottawa's strongest player (i'm talking physical strength), and he's shown that he can play an offensive role when paired with more talented players, or a checking type role when placed in the bottom six.

the problem with him has been consistency. i think at least part of the problem is that maclean shuffles his lines so much that greening hasn't really been given a chance to develop any chemistry with anyone this year. i think if he's given a clearly defined role, and allowed to stick to it, then he would be a good player.

his contract is a little concerning. it's not HUGE, but it's big enough that, given the players that ottawa need to resign over the next 2 seasons (spezza, ryan, lehner, macarthur, methot, conacher, zibanejad, etc) it could complicate things a little.

I just don't understand why people count "how would you feel if you were Darryl Katz right now?" into the equation.

The Oilers haven't been within 5 million of the cap in - as far as I know - the history of the cap.


And I'd certainly rather overpay Hendricks by 50% of his contract than a guy like Clarkson by 50% of his contract.
- Morris

what are you saying, that 5.25mil over 7 years is too much to pay a 3rd line winger who can't score

wouldn't be surprised if we liked Greening - that's the kind of guy that (for better or worse) the Oilers like.

I was really high on him, then I read some things Yost wrote about his WOWYs and in keeping tabs it seems like maybe his time in the sun is coming to an end.

Perspective?
- Morris

I'm still high on him myself, despite his WOWYs (which weren't even all that bad if I recall correctly). As the Sens fan mentioned, sometimes all a guy needs is a change of scenery, an opportunity, or a new perspective from another coach. As I understand it, Greening seems to have all the necessary tools to be a real beat (size, speed, hands) but just hasn't figured out how to utilize his physical tools on a consistent basis. Maybe having Eakins as a coach drilling him (hehehe!) and "motivating him" would unlock that part of his game. You never know. Being the only serviceable size in the forward corps certainly wouldn't hurt his opportunity! Even if he can't pull it all together, he's still a solid 3rd line guy with some speed that can take over for Smyth.

it's hard to say with greening. the potential is definitely there. he's a big body, is EASILY ottawa's strongest player (i'm talking physical strength), and he's shown that he can play an offensive role when paired with more talented players, or a checking type role when placed in the bottom six.

the problem with him has been consistency. i think at least part of the problem is that maclean shuffles his lines so much that greening hasn't really been given a chance to develop any chemistry with anyone this year. i think if he's given a clearly defined role, and allowed to stick to it, then he would be a good player.

his contract is a little concerning. it's not HUGE, but it's big enough that, given the players that ottawa need to resign over the next 2 seasons (spezza, ryan, lehner, macarthur, methot, conacher, zibanejad, etc) it could complicate things a little.
- sensarmy_11

Greening and a 2nd for Hemsky and a 3rd (due to recent events, it has to be next season's [deeper draft])?

I just looked at the scoresheet. Has Torts turned them into a goon team? 11 pps for the Ducks - 6 pp goals.
- doon

what the (frank)?

I just looked at the scoresheet. Has Torts turned them into a goon team? 11 pps for the Ducks - 6 pp goals.
- doon

No, I think California just drives them beserk (LA and SJ specifically, but ANA is guilty by proximity).

Maybe "beserk" isn't the right word. I think "pissy" fits better

Greening and a 2nd for Hemsky and a 3rd (due to recent events, it has to be next season's
- MaximumBone[deeper draft])?

ottawa already doesn't have a 1st this year, i highly doubt they also deal their 2nd.......unless both picks are for next season.

that being said, i think a straight up player for player deal is pretty fair. i think at this point it's obvious that the return for hemsky will be less then what anyone thought, i think a player like greening (or similar type player from another team) is about the best return you'll get

what the (frank)?
- HouseArrest187

I need to watch more Nuck games. I love that poop. Next time we play them call up Big Mac.

ottawa already doesn't have a 1st this year, i highly doubt they also deal their 2nd.......unless both picks are for next season.

that being said, i think a straight up player for player deal is pretty fair. i think at this point it's obvious that the return for hemsky will be less then what anyone thought, i think a player like greening (or similar type player from another team) is about the best return you'll get
- sensarmy_11

Yeah, both from next season works fine for me. Unless the Oilers breakout in a big way it's likely not much more than a 20 pick shift down. I only ask for the pick swap because of the term left on Greening's contract. It's not something I'd let the deal fall through, but I'd want something a little extra.

Yeah, both from next season works fine for me. Unless the Oilers breakout in a big way it's likely not much more than a 20 pick shift down. I only ask for the pick swap because of the term left on Greening's contract. It's not something I'd let the deal fall through, but I'd want something a little extra.
- MaximumBone

i think something could be made around that...........my preference would be to make it a conditional deal.

if hemsky walks at the end of the year: ottawa gives edm 3rd, edm gives ott 4th

if hemsky re-signs: ottawa gives 2nd, edm gives 3rd.

not sure i'd want them to give up greening and a 2nd for a rental

I couldn't help but catch part of SC yesterday and it happened to be the part where Dreger suggests that the Oilers have interest in Cam Ward. He then proceeded to suggest that acquiring Ward would cost something like Eberle+. I know I'm a little biased, but HOW exactly? Sure he has been a real solid starter throughout the majority of his career and he isn't exactly old, but, considering his recent injury history and drop-off in play, wouldn't you think his trade value has been affected similar to how Hemsky's has been (apparently only worth a 3rd these days)? Not to mention he's still under contract at 6.3 million for another 2 years.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting Hemsky is worth Cam Ward, but I'm feeling like there's a strange hypocrisy here. Am I wrong?

i think something could be made around that...........my preference would be to make it a conditional deal.

if hemsky walks at the end of the year: ottawa gives edm 3rd, edm gives ott 4th

if hemsky re-signs: ottawa gives 2nd, edm gives 3rd.

not sure i'd want them to give up greening and a 2nd for a rental
- sensarmy_11

Fair enough. I don't know about my fellow Oilers fans, but I'd accept that deal with enthusiasm!

I couldn't help but catch part of SC yesterday and it happened to be the part where Dreger suggests that the Oilers have interest in Cam Ward. He then proceeded to suggest that acquiring Ward would cost something like Eberle+. I know I'm a little biased, but HOW exactly? Sure he has been a real solid starter throughout the majority of his career and he isn't exactly old, but, considering his recent injury history and drop-off in play, wouldn't you think his trade value has been affected similar to how Hemsky's has been (apparently only worth a 3rd these days)? Not to mention he's still under contract at 6.3 million for another 2 years.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting Hemsky is worth Cam Ward, but I'm feeling like there's a strange hypocrisy here. Am I wrong?
- MaximumBone

if anything, it would be ward ++ for eberle.........i'm finding that more and more lately, dreger seems to be smoking crack (maybe he hangs with ford in over there in toronto). i found that he used to be bang on all the time, but he seems to be getting worse and worse the last couple of years.

that being said, why would edmonton even want ward. he's gonna be 30, his numbers have gotten worse each year for 3 or 4 straight years, and he's always hurt. i wouldn't touch him, there are WAY better options out there, IMO

Fair enough. I don't know about my fellow Oilers fans, but I'd accept that deal with enthusiasm!
- MaximumBone

i think most sens fans would also be happy with that. would give ottawa 4 solid lines, and would give the oil some of the size and strength they seem to need up front (from what i've read anyways)

Fair enough. I don't know about my fellow Oilers fans, but I'd accept that deal with enthusiasm!
- MaximumBone

You know what, you've got a good head on your shoulders, and I'm always talking about gunning for that under-the-radar complimentary winger that can form chemsitry with our skill players, so I'm with you.

Hemmer-Greening deal could work out nicely.

I couldn't help but catch part of SC yesterday and it happened to be the part where Dreger suggests that the Oilers have interest in Cam Ward. He then proceeded to suggest that acquiring Ward would cost something like Eberle+. I know I'm a little biased, but HOW exactly? Sure he has been a real solid starter throughout the majority of his career and he isn't exactly old, but, considering his recent injury history and drop-off in play, wouldn't you think his trade value has been affected similar to how Hemsky's has been (apparently only worth a 3rd these days)? Not to mention he's still under contract at 6.3 million for another 2 years.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting Hemsky is worth Cam Ward, but I'm feeling like there's a strange hypocrisy here. Am I wrong?
- MaximumBone

Everyone sees goaltending as a weakness in Edmonton, and everyone also sees management as a weakness in Edmonton.

I don't think Dreger is saying that if Eberle was on Boston it would cost him for Chiarelli to acquire Ward, I think he's predicting that Lowe/MacT are a desperate pair of backcountry fools.

Which is one of the reasons I don't take him seriously.

I wrote a blog about the trades yesterday. Don't worry: I pretty much don't rehash anything that's been said a hundred times since yesterday.

http://my.hockeybuzz.com/...er_id=32924&post_id=15899

You know what, you've got a good head on your shoulders, and I'm always talking about gunning for that under-the-radar complimentary winger that can form chemsitry with our skill players, so I'm with you.

Hemmer-Greening deal could work out nicely.
- Morris

he can definitely do that. 2 seasons ago, he spent a decent amount of games playing with spez and michalek, and had 17 goals and 40 pts.....not bad.

also, he's won the fastest skater at teh sens skills competition 2-3 times in the last 4 seasons. the guy can move.

he can definitely do that. 2 seasons ago, he spent a decent amount of games playing with spez and michalek, and had 17 goals and 40 pts.....not bad.

also, he's won the fastest skater at teh sens skills competition 2-3 times in the last 4 seasons. the guy can move.
- sensarmy_11

Daydream central:

Greening-Nuge-Eberle
Hall-Anisimov-Perron
Kulemin-Gordon-Yakupov
Smyth-Hendricks-Pitlick

Has got some potential.