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AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Jan 15 @ 7:56 PM ET
Oh my god, no. No you should not ever look at GAA and ever think it outweighs sv% at all. Ever. GAA is about how many shots are directed your way. Sv% is about what percentage of shots you actually make. GAA is essentially a team stat and sv% is what the Goalie is doing back there.

Whoever told you to value those two things equally was dead wrong. Stop it.

- Matt_Henderson


DING DING DING DING
CrustyRooster
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 05.22.2013

Jan 15 @ 8:03 PM ET
Get Anisimov. Get downie. Get Bolland. If we have to trade gagner then do it but we might not need too.

Hall-RNH-Gagner
Yak-Anisimov-Eberle
Perron-Bolland-downie
Smyth Hendricks Gordon Gazdic pitlick arco blah blah blah

Get Girardi or niskanen hopefully both.

Girardi niskanen
Ference petry
Schultz marincin belov

Sign Elliot Halak or hiller and Scrivens as backup
Ihatebrianburke
Edmonton Oilers
Location: edmonton, AB
Joined: 12.19.2010

Jan 15 @ 8:09 PM ET
Mike Green for Yakupov.
- Blackstrom2

How about Gagner, Yakupov, for Carlsson, Brouwer?
blk4x499
Los Angeles Kings
Location: La Habra, CA
Joined: 07.18.2010

Jan 15 @ 8:11 PM ET
3RD ROUNDER

The Oilers gave up a 3rd round pick to the Kings for Ben Scrivens.

Alas 2014 3rd rounder, for we only knew thee for so long.

Who am I kidding, even a high 3rd round pick is still in longshot territory to make the NHL and the Oilers need more 18 year olds like they need a hole in the head. Any Oiler pick out of the 1st Round is available and there aren’t that many left. If you fill the comment section of this article with examples of 3rd rounders who made it then I will retaliate with the list that didn’t.


Not with Lombardi, he really has a good track record of second through 4th round draft picks making the kings roster.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jan 15 @ 8:18 PM ET
Get Anisimov. Get downie. Get Bolland. If we have to trade gagner then do it but we might not need too.

Hall-RNH-Gagner
Yak-Anisimov-Eberle
Perron-Bolland-downie
Smyth Hendricks Gordon Gazdic pitlick arco blah blah blah

Get Girardi or niskanen hopefully both.

Girardi niskanen
Ference petry
Schultz marincin belov

Sign Elliot Halak or hiller and Scrivens as backup

- CrustyRooster

Except that roster would more than likely have us at over $80 million...
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jan 15 @ 8:20 PM ET
Well, we also need bigger forwards so it's a win-win!
- MaximumBone


Ya we need a big second line centre in the west. 6'1 and 210. Wouldn't be opposed to ekblad though.

sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jan 15 @ 8:26 PM ET
I'd be ecstatic if we could:

turn gagner into Anisimov

Turn a pick into McGinn

Sign kulemin to 3.5, girardi to 5 and niskanen to 4 mill contracts. Sign ott as well. I think those are fair salary estimations based on overpaying free agents.

Draft draisaitl if no fair value trades arise.

Obviously all unlikely besides the draft but wishful thinking.

Hall nuge Perron
Yak anisimov eberle
Kulemin Gordon McGinn
Smyth Hendricks ott
Only issue above is both niskanen and girardi are right hand shots. Be nice to grab both and move petry for a lefty.

Wishful thinking. But we likely have the cap room.

- ystoil

You will be paying 5 mil a year for a 4th liner.
CrustyRooster
Edmonton Oilers
Location: AB
Joined: 05.22.2013

Jan 15 @ 8:29 PM ET
Except that roster would more than likely have us at over $80 million...
- MaximumBone


Maybe it's a little bit of wishful thinking. One of niskanen or Girardi and then hope klefbom makes similar strides like marincin? I dunno
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jan 15 @ 8:30 PM ET
You will be paying 5 mil a year for a 4th liner.
- sbroads24


Balls.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jan 15 @ 8:31 PM ET
You will be paying 5 mil a year for a 4th liner.
- sbroads24

I don't see any way he gets $5 million per season.
haymac
Edmonton Oilers
Location: NWT
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 15 @ 8:38 PM ET
I love these moves for Edmonton. Scrivens is going to be a solid #1 for years to come. I miss him.
- SolidGoldBricks

Sure hope so. He'll get every chance to establish himself
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 8:38 PM ET
So I remember not long ago every oiler fan on here said Dub was worth a 1st easy and is waaay better then Riemer. What happened to that huh?
- jake24242

Piss off.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 8:39 PM ET
Give it 7 or 8 starts and you will realize you have not improved your goaltending situation one iota.
- Cooshie

Piss off, u don't even have enough pride in your team to display it.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 8:42 PM ET
Yeah, Im not trying to be a dink, but I dont think the Oilers are really much, if any, stronger.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Well you managed to be a dink without even trying. Congrats.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jan 15 @ 8:44 PM ET
Piss off, u don't even have enough pride in your team to display it.
- Jeropotato

That one hits close to home
haymac
Edmonton Oilers
Location: NWT
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 15 @ 8:48 PM ET
Well, no bold move yet, and there may not be one. Morrison on Sportsnet today said that the word around the league is that the Oiler management is over-valuing its players, making it difficult to get a significant trade done. Spector complained that the Oilers don't have the right blend of players (surprise) and that the kids don't have the support of other types of players who can help them compete. So, with the combined overvaluation and not much help in the near future in the organization, prospects are bleak for improvement. Signing UFAs can help, if they can be convinced to go to Edm, but really they have to trade some of the kids to get much needed pieces to add size and D.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 8:50 PM ET
Dubey is one of the worst golaies in the NHL and will be out of the league shortly
- Bones

Plenty of knobs on here sharing their 2 cents, but do t even display their teams. Lame.
MaximumBone
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.15.2012

Jan 15 @ 8:56 PM ET
Well, no bold move yet, and there may not be one. Morrison on Sportsnet today said that the word around the league is that the Oiler management is over-valuing its players, making it difficult to get a significant trade done. Spector complained that the Oilers don't have the right blend of players (surprise) and that the kids don't have the support of other types of players who can help them compete. So, with the combined overvaluation and not much help in the near future in the organization, prospects are bleak for improvement. Signing UFAs can help, if they can be convinced to go to Edm, but really they have to trade some of the kids to get much needed pieces to add size and D.
- haymac

Almost every team overvalues their players, especially their young ones, so that's nothing new. Also, Sportsnet sucks.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 8:56 PM ET
Nothing really spectacular happened here. But maybe a couple new bodies will help. They need to get rid of a few people who have are there and are used to losing.

Having said that they need to improve more than this, or they'll just be bringing in more people and teaching them how to lose.

But, these trades were better than nothing.

- beingaflamesfan

Holy crap....what a jerk!
haymac
Edmonton Oilers
Location: NWT
Joined: 09.17.2011

Jan 15 @ 9:01 PM ET
Some good points but if the oilers can extend scrivens (which is likely) and shore up their D in the off season it could turn out just fine. With Nurse (and potentially Ekblad) coming down the pipe and the addition of another vet D-man or two this could be the turning point to the oilers future. Won't have much of an impact on this season but I don't think that was the point.
- NEEDSMORHORCOFF

The impact could be a negative for Scrivens' confidence as he'll be seeing a lot more rubber than he ever saw in L.A. But, if he doesn't work out, we'll not extend him and he'll sign as UFA somewhere else.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 9:06 PM ET
I'm a little worried who we're going to blame for sucking now that Dubnyk's gone...
- Irk17


The rest of the team...now piss off.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 9:07 PM ET
Scrivens is not nearly as good as you are making him out to be.
- GSDIV

Also,piss off.
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 9:09 PM ET
And what team has he been playing in front of.
- moondawg


WTF? All of a sudden the trolls go from Dubnyk is crap to Dubey is good?
SolidGoldBricks
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Robidas Island, MI
Joined: 10.30.2013

Jan 15 @ 9:12 PM ET
Get Anisimov. Get downie. Get Bolland. If we have to trade gagner then do it but we might not need too.

Hall-RNH-Gagner
Yak-Anisimov-Eberle
Perron-Bolland-downie
Smyth Hendricks Gordon Gazdic pitlick arco blah blah blah

Get Girardi or niskanen hopefully both.

Girardi niskanen
Ference petry
Schultz marincin belov

Sign Elliot Halak or hiller and Scrivens as backup

- CrustyRooster


You do realize you have to trade players to get players right? How are you planning to get Anisimov, Bolland and one of those 3 goalies without giving up anybody from the top two lines?
Jeropotato
Season Ticket Holder
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 01.03.2013

Jan 15 @ 9:12 PM ET
So, any off season targets for UFA dmen?

Player Pos Age Team Cap Hit
Dan Boyle D 37 Sharks $6,666,667
Dion Phaneuf D 28 Maple Leafs $6,500,000
Kimmo Timonen D 38 Flyers $6,000,000
Andrei Markov D 34 Canadiens $5,750,000
Joni Pitkanen D 30 Hurricanes $4,500,000
Andrej Meszaros D 27 Flyers $4,000,000
Marek Zidlicky D 36 Devils $4,000,000
Kyle Quincey D 28 Red Wings $3,775,000
Sami Salo D 39 Lightning $3,750,000
Brooks Orpik D 33 Penguins $3,750,000
Nick Schultz D 31 Oilers $3,500,000
Willie Mitchell D 36 Kings $3,500,000
Henrik Tallinder D 34 Sabres $3,375,000
Dan Girardi D 29 Rangers $3,325,000
Stephane Robidas D 36 Stars $3,300,000
Jonathan Ericsson D 29 Red Wings $3,250,000
Chris Phillips D 35 Senators $3,083,333
Rostislav Klesla D 31 Coyotes $2,975,000
Matt Greene D 30 Kings $2,950,000
Derek Morris D 35 Coyotes $2,750,000
Matt Niskanen D 26 Penguins $2,300,000

That list is lousy, not many great pieces there.

- moondawg


Update your list buddy, it's even weaker than that now.

Oh, and Dan Girardi and/or Matt Niskanen.
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