We are following eachother now.

Seth Jones would look good in a flyers uni too. Wonder what it would take to get him here. Couts and some pick of unknown value?
- Bearintheforest

Well, Nashville needs scoring, so it's probably not Coots that goes. It's probably some combo of B. Schenn/Read/Simmonds with some combo of L. Schenn/Coburn/Gustafsson and a 1st round pick. Depends how they wanted to do it. That said, I have it on unofficial word that Nashville has blacklisted the Flyers after the Weber fiasco.

No, Seth Jones just didn't pop into my head. Not saying the guys on the list on the top are better, just that they didn't come to me immediately and I had to look around.
- jmatchett383

Seth Jones and Dougie Hamilton (maaayyyybbbbeeee Trouba) would be the only guys I'd part with Coots for, mainly because I'm assuming they'll be in the league for as long as Coots will be, and they would fill a similar niche in the salary-structure as Coots moving forward.

I know it's not a popular opinion. I just see a 21-year-old doing things that most in the league cannot at his position, and he's just scratching the surface.

I'm not saying a trade for a guy like Subban or Pietrangelo isn't "fair" per se, and even that both MTL and STL would say "no way."

Just saying I wouldn't trade 14. Find other ways to acquire a top pairing guy.
- bradleyc4

Fair enough. I guess I disagree with the "scratching the surface" part. I don't see him breaking out to be, I don't know.... I guess my question would be who do you think his comparable will be ceiling wise?

Seth Jones and Dougie Hamilton (maaayyyybbbbeeee Trouba) would be the only guys I'd part with Coots for, mainly because I'm assuming they'll be in the league for as long as Coots will be, and they would fill a similar niche in the salary-structure as Coots moving forward.
- Tomahawk

Why not Pietrangelo then? He's only 23 (Coots is 21).
Doughty's only 24.

I know it's not a popular opinion. I just see a 21-year-old doing things that most in the league cannot at his position, and he's just scratching the surface.

I'm not saying a trade for a guy like Subban or Pietrangelo isn't "fair" per se, and even that both MTL and STL would say "no way."

Just saying I wouldn't trade 14. Find other ways to acquire a top pairing guy.
- bradleyc4

I'm with you on 99 percent of this.

If you think Sean Couturier's a 50-point centerman for the peak 6-8 years of his career, you only trade him for Pietrangelo, not Weber, because of the age difference.

If you think Sean Couturier's a 60-point centerman for the rest of his career, you don't trade him at all, because he will likely approach Forsberg-levels of puck possession, with the size of Keith Primeau, and the defensive-acumen of John Madden.

What you wouldn't be getting in points, you'd be getting in what he isn't giving up to the other team.

Sean Couturier's one of the most unique players in the league right now. He hasn't filled out yet, and there's no guarantee he'll become a 50-point player.

But if he does...he's a different kind of animal.

Well, Nashville needs scoring, so it's probably not Coots that goes. It's probably some combo of B. Schenn/Read/Simmonds with some combo of L. Schenn/Coburn/Gustafsson and a 1st round pick. Depends how they wanted to do it. That said, I have it on unofficial word that Nashville has blacklisted the Flyers after the Weber fiasco.
- jmatchett383

Hah, yeah. Theres that fact too.

Homer - the burner of bridges.

I'm with you on 99 percent of this.

If you think Sean Couturier's a 50-point centerman for the peak 6-8 years of his career, you only trade him for Pietrangelo, not Weber, because of the age difference.

If you think Sean Couturier's a 60-point centerman for the rest of his career, you don't trade him at all, because he will likely approach Forsberg-levels of puck possession, with the size of Keith Primeau, and the defensive-acumen of John Madden.

What you wouldn't be getting in points, you'd be getting in what he isn't giving up to the other team.

Sean Couturier's one of the most unique players in the league right now. He hasn't filled out yet, and there's no guarantee he'll become a 50-point player.

But if he does...he's a different kind of animal.
- AllInForFlyers

Again, we're dealing with uncertainty.
Age/salary aside, give me the proven elite defender. Maybe not Chara's age, but Weber/Suter.

Coots for Maata is risky, I'll admit it. So I can fully understand people not wanting to do it. So I can understand others on here thinking it's crazy. But, living with a Pens fan, I've had the pleasure of watching him play regularly, and the kid looks like the real deal. He has shades of Lidstrom in him (not saying he'll BE Lidstrom).
- jmatchett383

I still remember Pitkanen looking like Bobby Freakin' Orr when he first landed in NA... guy was a beast and a monster and a beauty all in one.

Fair enough. I guess I disagree with the "scratching the surface" part. I don't see him breaking out to be, I don't know.... I guess my question would be who do you think his comparable will be ceiling wise?
- mayorofangrytown

Patrice Bergeron -- who I think is very underrated in terms of his affect on his team.

I don't think Couts will become an elite scorer in this league because of his skating, but I think he'll eventually be viewed as the best defensive player in the league as well as adding 60-75 points a season.

Seth Jones and Dougie Hamilton (maaayyyybbbbeeee Trouba) would be the only guys I'd part with Coots for, mainly because I'm assuming they'll be in the league for as long as Coots will be, and they would fill a similar niche in the salary-structure as Coots moving forward.
- Tomahawk

I am not saying ''do it!'', but is there a chance we might trade up in the draft to position for Ekblad?

Hah, yeah. Theres that fact too.

Homer - the burner of bridges.
- Bearintheforest

Well, again, it's unofficial. But I know someone in the organization who was in the room with Poile when he said in no specific terms that he was never trading with the Flyers again...which is probably an untruth, but I think it's more of a "not trading star players to Philadelphia."

Why not Pietrangelo then? He's only 23 (Coots is 21).
Doughty's only 24.
- jmatchett383

I have forty-five (point five) milliion reasons why.

Jones, Hamilton (and Trouba) are a couple of years, at least, from commanding that kind of cheddar.

Patrice Bergeron -- who I think is very underrated in terms of his affect on his team.

I don't think Couts will become an elite scorer in this league because of his skating, but I think he'll eventually be viewed as the best defensive player in the league as well as adding 60-75 points a season.
- bradleyc4

effect

I am not saying ''do it!'', but is there a chance we might trade up in the draft to position for Ekblad?
- Bearintheforest

That guy was Canada's best defenseman at the WJC. But I can't imagine what it would take to land him. And you have to make sure you got the top pick, or you're possibly getting Sam Reinhart,

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- aightwebang17

LOL

damn, i knew that too.

I have forty-five (point five) milliion reasons why.

Jones, Hamilton (and Trouba) are a couple of years, at least, from commanding that kind of cheddar.
- Tomahawk

Well, I must say I'm very biased towards Weber. He's my favorite player, has been for years.
If you can land Weber, you make it work (Simmonds/Coburn/etc.)

I am not saying ''do it!'', but is there a chance we might trade up in the draft to position for Ekblad?
- Bearintheforest

It costs just as much to move up to #1-3 in the draft as it does to net a finished product (or at least somebody already in the NHL).

Patrice Bergeron -- who I think is very underrated in terms of his affect on his team.

I don't think Couts will become an elite scorer in this league because of his skating, but I think he'll eventually be viewed as the best defensive player in the league as well as adding 60-75 points a season.
- bradleyc4

Patrice Bergeron is basically a rich man's Rod Brind'Amour. And I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing.

Patrice Bergeron -- who I think is very underrated in terms of his affect on his team.

I don't think Couts will become an elite scorer in this league because of his skating, but I think he'll eventually be viewed as the best defensive player in the league as well as adding 60-75 points a season.
- bradleyc4

If I was a scout, that's what I'd say. He's...his hockey sense defensively is every bit as good as Patrick Kane's hockey sense offensively.

He will terrorize this league if he becomes a 60-75 point player.

If he becomes a 75-point player, I will bear his children.

It costs just as much to move up to #1-3 in the draft as it does to net a finished product (or at least somebody already in the NHL).
- Tomahawk

Especially for the #1 pick, which is what you'd need to get. If you're gonna do that, might as well just go fishing for a guy (Doughty?)

If he becomes a 75-point player, I will bear his children.
- AllInForFlyers

*CTRL-D*

I am not saying ''do it!'', but is there a chance we might trade up in the draft to position for Ekblad?
- Bearintheforest

Oh, and to answer your question, no.

If I was a scout, that's what I'd say. He's...his hockey sense defensively is every bit as good as Patrick Kane's hockey sense offensively.

He will terrorize this league if he becomes a 60-75 point player.

If he becomes a 75-point player, I will bear his children.
- AllInForFlyers

Hence my drooling/stance.

Well, Nashville needs scoring, so it's probably not Coots that goes. It's probably some combo of B. Schenn/Read/Simmonds with some combo of L. Schenn/Coburn/Gustafsson and a 1st round pick. Depends how they wanted to do it. That said, I have it on unofficial word that Nashville has blacklisted the Flyers after the Weber fiasco.
- jmatchett383

In hindsight Nashville should be thrilled.... The flyers helped them lock up the best dman in the league for less than 8 million per season AND with no NTC of any sort. That's better than they did with Suter without the flyers help

If he becomes a 75-point player, I will bear his children.
- AllInForFlyers

Little anecdote:
I was at the Flyers/Pens '09 ECQF Game 4 with 3 friends. Late in the game, the Flyers are down 2-0, and they put Carcillo on the ice, which makes us very irritated. My friend says, "If Dan Carcillo scores, I will eat my hat. I will literally eat my hat." Son of a gun scores and, true to his word, my friend inserted his hat into his mouth and began to chew it. He didn't swallow, but he did bite the crap out of it.