He's the new Randy Jones Matt Carle whipping boy. It had to be someone.
- feelingkettle

NEXT

that might be the lamest "Great Check of the Game" I've ever seen.

- FlyerGuy

Well I mean....if there hasn't been a hard check, then there hasn't been a hard check

Can we move on from Grossmann please?
- Pixote Andolini

the D desperately needs some mobility.

edit: and talent.

that might be the lamest "Great Check of the Game" I've ever seen.

- FlyerGuy

Slim pickings. Flyers had 1 hit in the first period.

Oh no..

Did Jake get hurt on that?

I don't remember Grossmann ever going through this bad of a stretch with the Flyers. He's been consistent. He's rarely at his worst.
- PhillySportsGuy

True, he's been consistent. But he's consistently average at best. I respect histoughness and shot blocking ability. However when he misses his blocks, he leaves himself way out of position. He also makes too many coverage mistakes for a defensive dman and his complete lack offense, IMO, should restrict him to being a 3rd pair/PK specialist.

Interesting....terrible pass by Voracek, and then he accidentally blocks the shot

For some overrated aging players. Round, and round the merry go-round goes.
- flyer_nutter

Yup thats what Im afraid of. Instead of Yandle, Edler or Buff we'll end up with Brian Campbell or overpay for an aging Dan Boyle...(sigh)

True, he's been consistent. But he's consistently average at best. I respect histoughness and shot blocking ability. However when he misses his blocks, he leaves himself way out of position. He also makes too many coverage mistakes for a defensive dman and his complete lack offense, IMO, should restrict him to being a 3rd pair/PK specialist.
- BiggE

He is average. An average defensive NHL d-man.

His minutes should be restricted to ideally a 3rd pairing. Unfortunately the puzzle maker of the team has assembled a d-core where he by default is forced to play big minutes since there is nobody better.

Most expensive d-core in the NHL. sigh.

Slim pickings. Flyers had 1 hit in the first period.
- PhillySportsGuy

really? that's pathetic.

I had more than one hit in the 1st period ... though I ain't playing hockey, if you get my drift.

everytime Ott gets dropped, you can hear him on the mics screaming at the refs for a penalty

True, he's been consistent. But he's consistently average at best. I respect histoughness and shot blocking ability. However when he misses his blocks, he leaves himself way out of position. He also makes too many coverage mistakes for a defensive dman and his complete lack offense, IMO, should restrict him to being a 3rd pair/PK specialist.
- BiggE

He's a good positional player. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be in the NHL. The Flyers would be noticeably worse defensively if Grossmann were not on the team.

really? that's pathetic.

I had more than one hit in the 1st period ... though I ain't playing hockey, if you get my drift.

- FlyerGuy

Yup thats what Im afraid of. Instead of Yandle, Edler or Buff we'll end up with Brian Campbell or overpay for an aging Dan Boyle...(sigh)
- BiggE

Honestly, I include Buff in that category. He is so inconsistent in his effort, he will quickly become a scapegoat here.

Kind of on the fence for Edler/Yandle, mainly due to the price.

If you want to go the trade route, go cheaper, and go younger. Guys like Gardiner, Tanev, etc.

Im kind of tired of the old approach of overpaying for overrated talent, that doesn't end up meeting expectations.

Luke Schenn with an A+ pinch that leads to an extra 45 seconds of pressure in the Ozone.

Can't believe Vinny wasn't called for that.

Coots dumping Ott there and seeing Ott female dog and moan to the ref with Couturier over him made me happy

Lots to like about that period

Burn him!

- flyer_nutter[/img]

Is this from wickerman?

- BiggE

Is this from wickerman?
- JoeRussomanno

Hoped one lunatic would get the picture.

Luke Schenn with an A+ pinch that leads to an extra 45 seconds of pressure in the Ozone.

Can't believe Vinny wasn't called for that.

Coots dumping Ott there and seeing Ott female dog and moan to the ref with Couturier over him made me happy

Lots to like about that period
- Giroux_Is_God

That shift by Raffl-COuts-Read at the end was really good. Its no surprise that that line takes off after Vinny is removed and Raffl is added.

He's a good positional player. If he wasn't, he wouldn't be in the NHL. The Flyers would be noticeably worse defensively if Grossmann were not on the team.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yup they would, but that just shows how pathetic the rest of the D is, not how good Grossmann is. Look, all I'm saying is that on any top team: Chicago, Anaheim, St. Louis, Pittsburgh, San Jose, LA etc., Grossmann would be a 3rd pair guy.

He is average. An average defensive NHL d-man.

His minutes should be restricted to ideally a 3rd pairing. Unfortunately the puzzle maker of the team has assembled a d-core where he by default is forced to play big minutes since there is nobody better.

Most expensive d-core in the NHL. sigh.
- flyer_nutter

The problem is, that's not the case.

He's been as bad as Meszaros or Schenn. But Berube chooses to play Grossmann over them.

It's one of my biggest complaints. Some guys get held accountable. Others, do not.

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- Crimsoninja

Honestly, I include Buff in that category. He is so inconsistent in his effort, he will quickly become a scapegoat here.

Kind of on the fence for Edler/Yandle, mainly due to the price.

If you want to go the trade route, go cheaper, and go younger. Guys like Gardiner, Tanev, etc.

Im kind of tired of the old approach of overpaying for overrated talent, that doesn't end up meeting expectations.
- flyer_nutter

he might, but he also seems to play with emotion ... which might help him with the fans. Philly loves guys who seem to care, even if they f*ck things up from time to time.

Hoped one lunatic would get the picture.
- flyer_nutter

Nicolas Cage may be the greatest actor of all time!

The problem is, that's not the case.

He's been as bad as Meszaros or Schenn. But Berube chooses to play Grossmann over them.

It's one of my biggest complaints. Some guys get held accountable. Others, do not.
- Jsaquella

And how does this make you feel?