I see your point but I was thinking in regards to NHL experience. At 27 he's only played 4 seasons in the NHL. Would you consider Sam Gagner at his prime at 24? He's played 7 years in the NHL. Can you see him getting better at this point?
- Captain_Quiffe

Actually, studies have shown that an athlete reaches their physical prime around 27-28 years old. So yes, it's likely that Gagner will become a marginally better athlete over the next 3-4 years.

Actually, at 27 years of age, he's in his prime.
- Pecafan Fan

true from an average age perspective.

however, to Bozak's benefit he's missed a couple of seasons or at least 1 1/2 seasons of college hockey due to injuries, and is only in his third full NHL season .. so I do believe there's upside - but not likely in a points only way - rather more a maturity smarts sense.

Drink organic milk and eat organic cheese.
- Woderwick

And drive a 1997 Civic, because that's all you'll be able to afford.

Actually, studies have shown that an athlete reaches their physical prime around 27-28 years old. So yes, it's likely that Gagner will become a marginally better athlete over the next 3-4 years.
- 1979AD

Are we talking physical prime or hockey prime? Just because a player is in the best shape of his life doesn't mean his Hockey IQ will get better. That will depend on the players around him and coaching.

And drive a 1997 Civic, because that's all you'll be able to afford.
- 1979AD

Those things will kill you. But at least you'll die healthy.

The notion that McClement or Kule are the best is nonsense. When Bozak was out, our PK absolutely tanked. Since his return, it's leveled off and improved significantly.

People will definitely respond and say 'oh but it was the D!', but really, it wasn't. Bozak is integral, and a fantastic workhorse. This year, he's been our best PKer, and it's not close.
- mcleafs

Bozak plays less than half the PK minutes Kulimen and McClement do.

You're right, it's not even close, but you've got it backwards.

And drive a 1997 Civic, because that's all you'll be able to afford.
- 1979AD

Prices are coming down.
We have a theory in our house. My daughter is very thin - she eats very well, not a lot but very healthy and she loves cheese and veggies. We buy as much organic food as we can, meats, milk, produce etc. She was avg height but is starting to be dwarfed by her friends who were shorter than her. Her friends are "developing" already at 10 years old. We see what they eat - fast foods, lots of regular milk etc and we think the difference is organic vs the hormone induced diets of these other girls. Could it be....makes sense to us. Some of these other girls are going to be going through their girly issues in grade 6!

I see your point but I was thinking in regards to NHL experience. At 27 he's only played 4 seasons in the NHL. Would you consider Sam Gagner at his prime at 24? He's played 7 years in the NHL. Can you see him getting better at this point?
- Captain_Quiffe

At 24' gagner is just getting to the point of physical maturity. So yes, he very likely will get better

Are we talking physical prime or hockey prime? Just because a player is in the best shape of his life doesn't mean his Hockey IQ will get better. That will depend on the players around him and coaching.
- Captain_Quiffe

That post was clearly about physical prime. I agree the mental side of the game is separate. That's why I argue Bozak is still developing despite the fact he's reached his physical prime and why I argue that Same Gagner, at 24, will still become a better athlete.

Bozak plays less than half the PK minutes Kulimen and McClement do.

You're right, it's jot even close, but you've got it backwards.
- Big_Lightnin

How is it that Bozak's contributions to the penality kill is so noticeable given how few minutes (relatively) he's playing...

Are we talking physical prime or hockey prime? Just because a player is in the best shape of his life doesn't mean his Hockey IQ will get better. That will depend on the players around him and coaching.
- Captain_Quiffe

Fine but if hockey IQ stays the same, and the player gets stronger, he's going to be better, right?

That post was clearly about physical prime. I agree the mental side of the game is separate. That's why I argue Bozak is still developing despite the fact he's reached his physical prime and why I argue that Same Gagner, at 24, will still become a better athlete.
- 1979AD

Makes sense.

How is it that Bozak's contributions to the penality kill is so noticeable given how few minutes (relatively) he's playing...
- BorjeFan4Ever

I really don't know how he believes that to bet true.

How is it that Bozak's contributions to the penality kill is so noticeable given how few minutes (relatively) he's playing...
- BorjeFan4Ever

Supporting McClement. 2 good PK units now vs 1.

Prices are coming down.
We have a theory in our house. My daughter is very thin - she eats very well, not a lot but very healthy and she loves cheese and veggies. We buy as much organic food as we can, meats, milk, produce etc. She was avg height but is starting to be dwarfed by her friends who were shorter than her. Her friends are "developing" already at 10 years old. We see what they eat - fast foods, lots of regular milk etc and we think the difference is organic vs the hormone induced diets of these other girls. Could it be....makes sense to us. Some of these other girls are going to be going through their girly issues in grade 6!
- Woderwick

There have been case studies done on this, it is not just a theory of yours.

Prices are coming down.
We have a theory in our house. My daughter is very thin - she eats very well, not a lot but very healthy and she loves cheese and veggies. We buy as much organic food as we can, meats, milk, produce etc. She was avg height but is starting to be dwarfed by her friends who were shorter than her. Her friends are "developing" already at 10 years old. We see what they eat - fast foods, lots of regular milk etc and we think the difference is organic vs the hormone induced diets of these other girls. Could it be....makes sense to us. Some of these other girls are going to be going through their girly issues in grade 6!
- Woderwick

Interesting - you think the hormones and steroids in the foods are causing them to grow bigger and faster?

My wife (elementary school teacher) recently informed me that there are a few kids at her school that get McD's dropped off for them for lunch on a regular basis - Team Canada here they come!

Actually, studies have shown that an athlete reaches their physical prime around 27-28 years old. So yes, it's likely that Gagner will become a marginally better athlete over the next 3-4 years.
- 1979AD

except - that in Gagner's case, due to his combination of age and that he plays for the Oilers... he will be traded or waived because he's clearly not reached stardom by age 22.

and they need to free up his roster spot for the next wunderkid that they draft with the first overall pick they get again come June!

Cheese is high in calories (about 100 per ounce, on average) and fat (6 to 9 grams per ounce, most of which is saturated), and it often contains a lot of sodium.

Cheese can be made with rennet, which is made from an enzyme that comes from calves’ stomach linings. According to The Vegetarian Society, “The traditional source of rennet is the stomach of slaughtered newly-born calves."

For some cheeses like brie, cheesemakers will spray mold on to the surface to encourage the growth for white rinds.

They
- Colin Dambrauskas[the cows] are treated like milk-producing machines and are genetically manipulated and pumped full of antibiotics and hormones that cause them to produce more milk. While cows suffer on factory farms, humans who drink their milk increase their chances of developing heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and many other ailments.


Banned.

not all cheese colin.

REAL cheese ( I cannot stress that enough) is still made the old fashioned way.. i am not talking about bullpoop fake cheese like cracker barrel here.

there are enzymes in the cheese that is very very good for your digestive system. actually will make you healthier.

as with all things.. moderation is the key.. I wouldnt suggest sitting down and eating a pound of cheddar all at once either..

feel free to buy it tho

except - that in Gagner's case, due to his combination of age and that he plays for the Oilers... he will be traded or waived because he's clearly not reached stardom by age 22.

and they need to free up his roster spot for the next wunderkid that they draft with the first overall pick they get again come June!
- BorjeFan4Ever

If they draft Sam Reinhart (another small C), I'm going to for days on end.

Supporting McClement. 2 good PK units now vs 1.
- Woderwick

That's not the same as saying he's by far the best on the team. Clearly he isn't, or he'd get more more PK minutes.

And he's number 3 in minutes, not sayng he's bad at all, and PK is better with him back, but he is not at all the best PKer on the team. Just a false statement

There have been case studies done on this, it is not just a theory of yours.
- 2gals1dane

do the case studies point at accelerated development (meaning the same development at an earlier age) or altered development (larger - genetically altered)? or both?

If they draft Sam Reinhart (another small C), I'm going to for days on end.
- 1979AD

quite possible - 'cause they drafted their stud defenseman last year... so they clearly don't need any more d men.

Fine but if hockey IQ stays the same, and the player gets stronger, he's going to be better, right?
- Big_Lightnin

Defensively maybe. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just think everyone has their own prime based on their physical attributes and their desire to improve their skillset.

Cheese is high in calories (about 100 per ounce, on average) and fat (6 to 9 grams per ounce, most of which is saturated), and it often contains a lot of sodium.

Cheese can be made with rennet, which is made from an enzyme that comes from calves’ stomach linings. According to The Vegetarian Society, “The traditional source of rennet is the stomach of slaughtered newly-born calves."

For some cheeses like brie, cheesemakers will spray mold on to the surface to encourage the growth for white rinds.

They
- Colin Dambrauskas[the cows] are treated like milk-producing machines and are genetically manipulated and pumped full of antibiotics and hormones that cause them to produce more milk. While cows suffer on factory farms, humans who drink their milk increase their chances of developing heart disease, diabetes, cancer, and many other ailments.


Banned.

Would you stop it FFS

With all that crap we'll never get Bruce out of that damn can !

There have been case studies done on this, it is not just a theory of yours.
- 2gals1dane

I'm sure, we've just been noticing the changes these last 1/2 year, and we were a little worried about her growth until we rationalized the differences. One of the girls was 1/2" shorter than her, but is now 3 1/2" taller.