Nice, I'm telling you its a good investment. Similar situation to when I bought alot of Circuit City stocks!
- kgrpitt

I'm hoping to clean up, then I'll invest all the money i make into the next big thing- paper mail.

Just think, instead of getting an email for your bills you can get a piece of paper outlining all your charges dropped off at your door!

I'm hoping to clean up, then I'll invest all the money i make into the next big thing- paper mail.

Just think, instead of getting an email for your bills you can get a piece of paper outlining all your charges dropped off at your door!
- canadianpenfan

Niskanen is playing really well this year, and I was a staunch hater last year. Still, for a player whose biggest gripes are performance under pressure and inconsistency, paying a premium for a great contract season is not a smart investment. I'd be happy to keep Niskanen around for the playoffs but he is not going to be affordable. Unless we're trading Letang for a more affordable, elite winger, I don't see any way to keep Nisky around.

The only reason I think Orpik is still around NOW is "playoff Orpik", which we all hope appears again this year. No way in hell I resign Orpik with the glut of talented D coming up, for any role or amount, unless there's a coach willing to give out ice time based on merit and not veteran status.

Niskanen is playing really well this year, and I was a staunch hater last year. Still, for a player whose biggest gripes are performance under pressure and inconsistency, paying a premium for a great contract season is not a smart investment. I'd be happy to keep Niskanen around for the playoffs but he is not going to be affordable. Unless we're trading Letang for a more affordable, elite winger, I don't see any way to keep Nisky around.

The only reason I think Orpik is still around NOW is "playoff Orpik", which we all hope appears again this year. No way in hell I resign Orpik with the glut of talented D coming up, for any role or amount, unless there's a coach willing to give out ice time based on merit and not veteran status.
- cygnus41

If Nisk isnt traded by deadline, shero plans on resigning him- just my opinion. Who i think shero should target before the deadline is Colin Greening. He is big, fast, tough young winger and has an affordable contract. After listening to Murray's comments today, i think Greening could be had for someone like Depres + or possibly Bennett. Forget Kane, Laad, Ryan, etc....all pipe dream. Realistically Greening can be had, wont cost shero the farm and improves our team immediately.

Curious, why did you pick those forwards to show? Is that all the site had or did it make a stronger case? Either way I think Orpik is about done here. Everyone seems to have done an about-face when it comes to Niskanen after just 50 games.
- kgrpitt

They had the largest sample sizes with both players. Ideally Neal would have been in there but his injuries and suspensions leave a smaller plot of data to draw from.

If Nisk isnt traded by deadline, shero plans on resigning him- just my opinion. Who i think shero should target before the deadline is Colin Greening. He is big, fast, tough young winger and has an affordable contract. After listening to Murray's comments today, i think Greening could be had for someone like Depres + or possibly Bennett. Forget Kane, Laad, Ryan, etc....all pipe dream. Realistically Greening can be had, wont cost shero the farm and improves our team immediately.
- joescullz

letang scuderi
martin maata
nisk ?
assuming u let orpik walk , where does that leave dumilin, depres, harrington, poullliot, samuelson, ruopp et... young players need to play if you expect them to develop

letang scuderi
martin maata
nisk ?
assuming u let orpik walk , where does that leave dumilin, depres, harrington, poullliot, samuelson, ruopp et... young players need to play if you expect them to develop
- Brianandr1

Bortuzzo or Eng could play the 6/7th dman. Plus the guys you mentioned would have a shot just like Maatta did.

If Nisk isnt traded by deadline, shero plans on resigning him- just my opinion. Who i think shero should target before the deadline is Colin Greening. He is big, fast, tough young winger and has an affordable contract. After listening to Murray's comments today, i think Greening could be had for someone like Depres + or possibly Bennett. Forget Kane, Laad, Ryan, etc....all pipe dream. Realistically Greening can be had, wont cost shero the farm and improves our team immediately.
- joescullz

Despres better bring back more than Greening. If the TSN article is correct, Shero is offering Despres for Wheeler.

I don't think Orpik is back. I think they try to keep Nisky too. Maybe offering up to 5mil.

Big fan of Orpik's but this is a no brainer to me ... Niskanen is the one that is saved.
- Oneonta Penguin

you were right about ladd's playoff experience... i guess my goal would be for a vet who could put crosby and malkin and letang and neal in their place if they melt down again

Despres better bring back more than Greening. If the TSN article is correct, Shero is offering Despres for Wheeler.

I don't think Orpik is back. I think they try to keep Nisky too. Maybe offering up to 5mil.
- madmike71

we ll never get fair value for depres bc disco wont play him consistently, when martin comes back he wont play at all... solid prospect, upside potential, little trade value bc of how disco has mishandled him, same for bortuzzo... once again young player have to play to develop = more trade value

Despres better bring back more than Greening. If the TSN article is correct, Shero is offering Despres for Wheeler.

I don't think Orpik is back. I think they try to keep Nisky too. Maybe offering up to 5mil.
- madmike71

Depres trade value is hard to gague because if his limited experience. Wheeler and Greening would take this team to a different level. Both would bring size and secondary scoring. Greening easily would play on Geno's line, worse case scenario, Sutter's line.

Depres trade value is hard to gague because if his limited experience. Wheeler and Greening would take this team to a different level. Both would bring size and secondary scoring. Greening easily would play on Geno's line, worse case scenario, Sutter's line.
- joescullz

Pens have a 16 point division lead, there is no reason with Martin out that bortuzzo and or despres should not be dressing every night... No disespect to engo but we dont know what we have yet in these two... both have shown flashes
As far as im concerned next year should be
Martin Maata
letang scuderi
????? 2 of our young d ... depres, dumilin, bortuzzo... play them or trade them for our needs this year

Pens have a 16 point division lead, there is no reason with Martin out that bortuzzo and or despres should not be dressing every night... No disespect to engo but we dont know what we have yet in these two... both have shown flashes
As far as im concerned next year should be
Martin Maata
letang scuderi
????? 2 of our young d ... depres, dumilin, bortuzzo... play them or trade them for our needs this year.
I agree, play em or trade him. I really think Shero does trade at least one of them, possibly 2. We all know how much Shero loves his veterans, so Orpik, Martin, Scuds nor Letang arent going anywhere. Nisk has been our most steady dman, so he's safe. Maatta is untouchable. This brings is to Bortuz and Depres. Depres has more value than Bortuz, but wont fetch you a top 6. If pens want a top 6 or 2 top 6 for that matter, then they better be prepared to part ways with Letang and Maata.
- Brianandr1

[quote=joescullz]
I have no idea what just happened to my last post....sorry

How much pull do the Pens management have in decisions on trades , like for instance dan has 40% say, Shero has 40% , maybe Mario has 20% ? I realize it's not broken down by percentages , just curios how much clout people have ?

[quote=joescullz]
As much as I can see the value in moving letang for a top six and resigning nisk ... I don't see it happening ... If letang can stay healthy he s a perennial Norris trophy candidate ...

Depres trade value is hard to gague because if his limited experience. Wheeler and Greening would take this team to a different level. Both would bring size and secondary scoring. Greening easily would play on Geno's line, worse case scenario, Sutter's line.
- joescullz

I think you are way to high on Greening, hes a 3rd/4th liner on Ottawa, I would in no way give up Bennett or despres for this mediocre player

I think you are way to high on Greening, hes a 3rd/4th liner on Ottawa, I would in no way give up Bennett or despres for this mediocre player
- Superfan87

Problem is as high as some of us are on depres he has no real trade value as a result of discos mishandling. ... I don't think Ottawa would do greening for him

Problem is as high as some of us are on depres he has no real trade value as a result of discos mishandling. ... I don't think Ottawa would do greening for him
- Brianandr1

I hope we can get someone decent for Depres. Hopefull disco's misuse of Depres doesnt hurt his trade value too much.

I think you are way to high on Greening, hes a 3rd/4th liner on Ottawa, I would in no way give up Bennett or despres for this mediocre player
- Superfan87

I dont think so. Greening put up 8 goals last season and almost 20 the year before. He easily would double those numbers playing on Geno & Neal's line

I think you are way to high on Greening, hes a 3rd/4th liner on Ottawa, I would in no way give up Bennett or despres for this mediocre player
- Superfan87

agreed 100%

No one outside the Penguins' Internet fanbase would call Despres' failure to secure a regular spot "mishandling." He was a massive project when he was drafted and his progressions have been incremental.

The kid needs work, and he needs to learn how to work. I think they've handled him absolutely perfectly, allowing him to progress without handing him anything, organizations that lose a lot are forced to do.

But then again, Tangradi was "mishandled" too, and we've seen how that worked out.

No one outside the Penguins' Internet fanbase would call Despres' failure to secure a regular spot "mishandling." He was a massive project when he was drafted and his progressions have been incremental.

The kid needs work, and he needs to learn how to work. I think they've handled him absolutely perfectly, allowing him to progress without handing him anything, organizations that lose a lot are forced to do.

But then again, Tangradi was "mishandled" too, and we've seen how that worked out.
- hardnosed

couldn't disagree with this more.

Ryan Wilson: Brooks Orpik or Matt Niskanen?
Who should the Penguins keep, Brooks Orpik or Matt Niskanen?
- Ryan_Wilson

Buffalo would welcome home Orpik!

No one outside the Penguins' Internet fanbase would call Despres' failure to secure a regular spot "mishandling." He was a massive project when he was drafted and his progressions have been incremental.

The kid needs work, and he needs to learn how to work. I think they've handled him absolutely perfectly, allowing him to progress without handing him anything, organizations that lose a lot are forced to do.

But then again, Tangradi was "mishandled" too, and we've seen how that worked out.
- hardnosed

13 Points in 117 games. THAT IS NOT A FAILURE!!!