My aunt has a penis and she's my uncle... what's your point? .
- Panthers88

good for you

Two EK blogs ago, Colorado fans were saying that ROR has more value than Taylor Hall, has a better defensive game than Pavel Datsuk because his +3 vs Pavel's -2. The list went on....
- l3ig_l2ecl

At least be honest with your commentary.

It was ONE guy who said all these things. And that one guy, was clearly antagonizing everyone.

Honestly, at least be honest with your commentary.

It was ONE guy who said all these things. And that one guy, was clearly antagonizing everyone.
- eddieavs

Fine, some Avs fan was saying that...

Fine, some Avs fan was saying that...
- l3ig_l2ecl

Kinda poisons the whole thought when you throw sarcastic comments around.

People read it, and then start making judgments on players.

- Feeling Glucky?

Ok.

Back it up.

Make an argument.

Ok.

Back it up.

Make an argument.
- eddieavs

i didn't even see the original post and i know this should be fun.



*leaves*




seriously, guys. fat guy in a box. tell me what you've done with him.

Ok.

Back it up.

Make an argument.
- eddieavs

Rielly- top-5 pick who's already in the NHL, and is showing his clear upside.

Nobody's going to trade that for a 1st/2nd line tweener center looking to sign for big bucks. O'Rielly's good, no doubt, whatever he lacks in offense he makes up for in defensive ability, but nobody's going to give a top-5 pick, or a recent one for him.

How's Barkov doing? Looks good to me.
- whipper334

Then why you asking?

yeah thats probably more like it. maybe the 1st the Isles gave us
- doppelthat

We didnt give you anything yet.

Rielly- top-5 pick who's already in the NHL, and is showing his clear upside.

Nobody's going to trade that for a 1st/2nd line tweener center looking to sign for big bucks. O'Rielly's good, no doubt, whatever he lacks in offense he makes up for in defensive ability, but nobody's going to give a top-5 pick, or a recent one for him.
- Feeling Glucky?

EXACTLY ! The Colorado boys have started partying with Ford !

How's Barkov doing? Looks good to me.
- whipper334

Kid is good. Really good. Back checks like a horse. Not like that Weiss guy.

i didn't even see the original post and i know this should be fun.



*leaves*




seriously, guys. fat guy in a box. tell me what you've done with him.
- kicksave856

RIP

i didn't even see the original post and i know this should be fun.



*leaves*




seriously, guys. fat guy in a box. tell me what you've done with him.
- kicksave856

Think he got bored or ran out of material and moved on.

Ok.

Back it up.

Make an argument.
- eddieavs

Being in the Neutral position of where I hate the Leafs, but also think ROR is extremely overated (Even though He's a really good player), I'll weight in.

ROR - 22yo, RFA needing a Qualifying offer of 6.5mil/1 year of he becomes a free agent. Potential to become a really good two way forward and put up 60points annually. Although he's really young and it's hard to know what he will actually become, all signs point to being a two way player which aren't that rare in the NHL and are not worth the 6.5.

Reilly - 18yo, RFA for 3 more seasons @ 900k. He has the current talent to be a top 6 D on all NHL teams. Is expected to be a top pair defenceman by age of 25 where Ds usually blossom. In 3 years it is unlikely that he signs for more than 5mil, even if he is very good as Ds have less leverage to negotiate big contracts.

Verdict, Reilly is worth more than ROR in a trade scenario.

Being in the Neutral position of where I hate the Leafs, but also think ROR is extremely overated (Even though He's a really good player), I'll weight in.

ROR - 22yo, RFA needing a Qualifying offer of 6.5mil/1 year of he becomes a free agent. Potential to become a really good two way forward and put up 60points annually. Although he's really young and it's hard to know what he will actually become, all signs point to being a two way player which aren't that rare in the NHL and are not worth the 6.5.

Reilly - 18yo, RFA for 3 more seasons @ 900k. He has the current talent to be a top 6 D on all NHL teams. Is expected to be a top pair defenceman by age of 25 where Ds usually blossom. In 3 years it is unlikely that he signs for more than 5mil, even if he is very good as Ds have less leverage to negotiate big contracts.

Verdict, Reilly is worth more than ROR in a trade scenario.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Rielly probably shouldn't be in the NHL right now.

He's got great offensive instincts, but his defense is still junior-level.

Though, I guess playing in the NHL is a faster way to learn NHL defense than playing in the CHL.

Rielly- top-5 pick who's already in the NHL, and is showing his clear upside.

Nobody's going to trade that for a 1st/2nd line tweener center looking to sign for big bucks. O'Rielly's good, no doubt, whatever he lacks in offense he makes up for in defensive ability, but nobody's going to give a top-5 pick, or a recent one for him.
- Feeling Glucky?

No one's going to give a top 5 pick?

The flames practically offered theirs and an additional 3rd less than a year ago.

ROR, if the 2009 draft were re-done, would probably go generally around the #5 range.

You make it seem like this trade is a steal for Colorado. Theyre taking on significant risk with this proposal as well.

ROR is already establishing himself. Hes extremely versatile. He can play any forward position, and is an extremely good defensive player. But he also brings offense to the table.

IF ROR was an older player, then youd have every right to laugh. But hes 22 years old.

The avs would be trading him for a 19 year old, and then hope he develops in Colorado.

At least Toronto knows, at minimum what theyre getting for ROR. Hes a great two way player, who can play PP, wing, center, and PK. And hes set to chip in at least in the 50-60 point range. At 22 years of age, he still has plenty of improvement potential.

I dont understand the scoffing at good young players.

Yes, ROR will cost substantially more on the cap in salary, but thats because hes developed. The exact same will happen if Rielly develops.

If we do end up trading RoR, I really hope its not with Tor. There isn't a single player on that team that we would reasonably get that I would even come close to wanting.

Kid is good. Really good. Back checks like a horse. Not like that Weiss guy.
- Panthers88

Please trade Kopecky for Weiss. You can have him back and we can have our forward back. Perfect trade, right?

Being in the Neutral position of where I hate the Leafs, but also think ROR is extremely overated (Even though He's a really good player), I'll weight in.

ROR - 22yo, RFA needing a Qualifying offer of 6.5mil/1 year of he becomes a free agent. Potential to become a really good two way forward and put up 60points annually. Although he's really young and it's hard to know what he will actually become, all signs point to being a two way player which aren't that rare in the NHL and are not worth the 6.5.

Reilly - 18yo, RFA for 3 more seasons @ 900k. He has the current talent to be a top 6 D on all NHL teams. Is expected to be a top pair defenceman by age of 25 where Ds usually blossom. In 3 years it is unlikely that he signs for more than 5mil, even if he is very good as Ds have less leverage to negotiate big contracts.

Verdict, Reilly is worth more than ROR in a trade scenario.
- l3ig_l2ecl

Potential to become a really good two way forward and put up 60 points annually???

Thats what he already is. His potential lies in his potential increased offensive output. 65-70 points is not outside the realm of possibility.

Difference being, Colorado could have to wait several years for Rielly to reach his full potential. ROR is significantly closer, hence the difference in salary.

Youre assuming full potential for Rielly, and making it seem as though ROR is much further away. Hes already what youre describing his potential is.

GlenX, Granlund and a 2nd for Kane.

RIP
- Symba007

THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF!

Think he got bored or ran out of material and moved on.
- Woderwick

THAT'S WHAT I'M AFRAID OF!

Please trade Kopecky for Weiss. You can have him back and we can have our forward back. Perfect trade, right?
- YzermanIsTheMan

Sorry man.. We'll only trade Kopecky for Booth.

GlenX, Gaudreau and a 1st for Kane.
- TandA4Flames

Fixed...

No one's going to give a top 5 pick?

The flames practically offered theirs and an additional 3rd less than a year ago.

ROR, if the 2009 draft were re-done, would probably go generally around the #5 range.

You make it seem like this trade is a steal for Colorado. Theyre taking on significant risk with this proposal as well.

ROR is already establishing himself. Hes extremely versatile. He can play any forward position, and is an extremely good defensive player. But he also brings offense to the table.

IF ROR was an older player, then youd have every right to laugh. But hes 22 years old.

The avs would be trading him for a 19 year old, and then hope he develops in Colorado.

At least Toronto knows, at minimum what theyre getting for ROR. Hes a great two way player, who can play PP, wing, center, and PK. And hes set to chip in at least in the 50-60 point range. At 22 years of age, he still has plenty of improvement potential.

I dont understand the scoffing at good young players.

Yes, ROR will cost substantially more on the cap in salary, but thats because hes developed. The exact same will happen if Rielly develops.
- eddieavs

In normal situations, neither team does the deal. Rielly has the potential to be more than O'Rielly, and probably wouldn't have been there at 5 if he hadn't been injured his draft year. As it stands, the Leafs were lucky that the Islanders saw something in Rienhart.

The thing is, Colorado is a bit of a motivated seller with ROR, because of his upcoming contract demands, and the depth at center.

And Toronto would be in a pinch with the cap if they had to try and accommodate the 6M he's going to get... there's also a bit more risk in some team offer sheeting him, forcing the Leafs to pay even more.


All in all, I think it's a worse trade for Toronto than for Colorado... and whether Colorado would do it or not, from a Leafs perspective, it's worth the