that was game 6

there was a whole fresh game 7

they had all the chances they needed.. they didnt capitalize..

excuses are for cowards and children

own your shortcomings and stop pointing fingers.
- Dozzer

It might be time for Leafs Nation to get over it and move on.

Maybe.

that was game 6

there was a whole fresh game 7

they had all the chances they needed.. they didnt capitalize..

excuses are for cowards and children

own your shortcomings and stop pointing fingers.
- Dozzer

It might be time for Leafs Nation to get over it and move on.

Maybe.

Well maybe Im a scared little child!

I know....but he did admit his error.
I just would have prefered not to have Wayne on the ice for 2mins!


- Fakepartofme

i am sure they didnt want to have to deal with gilmour either.

i am sorry.. but bad calls happen all the time.. and i just hate hearing it.. makes all of leaf land sound like a bunch of whiny female doges

It depends on what "approach" you are talking about.

On ice? We could debate that all day.

But treatment of players is what concerns me. He obviously is a hard-arse - ask Grabbo or Mac or anyone else who has left.

That approach has a limited shelf life these days - millionaire players don't respond after a while. You may not like it, but I don't really care - that's the reality.

There are now whispers that the Leafs have tuned out Carlyle. I don't see any evidence to refute those whispers.

I was at the game Saturday night. It was gutless. It was heartless.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would agree. I said it earlier.

Coaches like Carlyle are short lived. Players eventually tune them out and stop playing.

Proof is in Anaheim. Once he was gone the team has played extremely well.

That's why I believe a coaching change would be fine. Nonis has to do something though. If he doesn't fire the coach do you trade Franson, Gardiner or Kadri?

Any decent coach has a job...those who don't - there's a reason, so I'm with Dozz - let's try something new...just not a JFJ new.
- Woderwick

*cough* Laviolette *cough*

http://m.hkref.com/m?p=XXcoachesXXlaviope01c.html

Then what do you do? Fire the coach? People are saying it's the players fault so fire them for not playing the system.

It can't go both ways. I agree, Nonis should build HIS team and have a coach to coach HIS team. Not the other way around.
- Aaron85

Regardless of where the blame really should fall, you HAVE to seriously look at firing the coach given this slide. I honestly don't know how he hasn't yet.

Tonof games coming up. If they lose 2 or 3 more in a row, car lyles gone.

Points in 6 straight games bought him more time, but they are still playing terribly, and didn't play well for a full game in any of those 6.

The players probably got tired of having the same thing screamed at them over and over. We all know what the definition of insanity is.
- Jay Uller

I dont actually think the players are the problem. someone just told me there were and not the coach/manag.

I think the team is capable of playing much better with a new system

It might be time for Leafs Nation to get over it and move on.

Maybe.
- Atomic Wedgie

it was time for that in 93 lol

Thinking Komarov is the answer.

Amirite?

I am right.
- Atomic Wedgie

Wait a minute. Komarov is NOT the answer!?

I would agree. I said it earlier.

Coaches like Carlyle are short lived. Players eventually tune them out and stop playing.

Proof is in Anaheim. Once he was gone the team has played extremely well.

That's why I believe a coaching change would be fine. Nonis has to do something though. If he doesn't fire the coach do you trade Franson, Gardiner or Kadri?
- Aaron85

Don't trade Kadri, unless it's in a package for o'Rielly

Could afford to trade both Gardiner and Franson at this point

that was game 6

there was a whole fresh game 7

they had all the chances they needed.. they didnt capitalize..

excuses are for cowards and children

own your shortcomings and stop pointing fingers.
- Dozzer

Listen, we're arguing about the present crap....dont RIP open old wounds.
A 4 minute PP could have done wonders with that team we had.

and if not ........then we always have the dream that could have!

So back to the present short fall and open wounded.....now where were we.....as yes....getting the defibrilator!

I would agree. I said it earlier.

Coaches like Carlyle are short lived. Players eventually tune them out and stop playing.

Proof is in Anaheim. Once he was gone the team has played extremely well.

That's why I believe a coaching change would be fine. Nonis has to do something though. If he doesn't fire the coach do you trade Franson, Gardiner or Kadri?
- Aaron85

The best thing Nonis could do right now is MAJORLY shake up the defense. When i mean shake up the defense, i mean obtain more defensive resonsible defenders like a giordano like a girardi, etc. .... the offense can wait

I would agree. I said it earlier.

Coaches like Carlyle are short lived. Players eventually tune them out and stop playing.

Proof is in Anaheim. Once he was gone the team has played extremely well.

That's why I believe a coaching change would be fine. Nonis has to do something though. If he doesn't fire the coach do you trade Franson, Gardiner or Kadri?
- Aaron85

Kadri has untapped talent.

The way Gardiner can skate a puck into the zone on a PP leads me to believe we have to keep him.

Franson is completely over-rated by Leafs Nation, does very little and will be looking for a huge payday at the end of the year (RFA, but arbitration rights) so we will probably be losing him for nothing.

Would you like to guess what my answer is?

Thinking Komarov is the answer.

Amirite?

I am right.
- Atomic Wedgie

He will walk in an instant 30 goal guy. Make it happen Dave.

*cough* Laviolette *cough*

http://m.hkref.com/m?p=XXcoachesXXlaviope01c.html
- Jay Uller

See...thanks for proving my point.

It is pretty evident that this "team" that we have does not justify to what Carlyle is about. Carlyle is a good coach neverless but the players do not suit his system. Don't know about last year i guess just luck and good momentum? Carlyle is a good coach, the only thing he can do is change it up, adjust his system according to the players he has, thats the only way he will achieve success with this hockey club. He does not have the defensive squad to do the system he wants and i dont blame him for that. I blame Nonis for the defensive faults as they are not good enough anyways from a standpoint to be responsible defenders. They need different guys in there on defense. Gleason was one step toward that
- Mapleleafs_91

I don't necessarily agree that it's Nonis' fault. He came in and the team performed well enough to make the playoffs.

It's difficult for him to turn over the entire defense at that time. Granted he isn't excused from making some gaffs like selling players high ala Franson or Fraser but seriously tough to turn over the D after the playoffs.

Kadri has untapped talent.

The way Gardiner can skate a puck into the zone on a PP leads me to believe we have to keep him.

Franson is completely over-rated by Leafs Nation, does very little and will be looking for a huge payday at the end of the year (RFA, but arbitration rights) so we will probably be losing him for nothing.

Would you like to guess what my answer is?
- Atomic Wedgie

Franson, Raymond, top prospect for Girardi

Listen, we're arguing about the present crap....dont RIP open old wounds.
A 4 minute PP could have done wonders with that team we had.

and if not ........then we always have the dream that could have!

So back to the present short fall and open wounded.....now where were we.....as yes....getting the defibrilator!

- Fakepartofme

i thought it was my duty to point out since everyone seems to be saying they would be happy with second and third round exits



just a gentle reminder

Regardless did where the blame really should fall, you HAVE to seriously look at firing the coach given this slide. I honestly don't know how he hasn't yet.

Tonof games coming up. If they lose 2 or 3 more in a row, car lyles gone.

Points in 6 straight games bought him more time, but they are still playing terribly, and didn't play well for a full game in any of those 6.
- Big_Lightnin

loser points muddy the water. its as bad as it has ever been.

67Sound ‏@67sound
If you treat SO/OT games like ties--which is what they are for evaluative purposes--Leafs are 4-15-12 in last 31, 12-19-14 overall.

4-15-12???

He will walk in an instant 30 goal guy. Make it happen Dave.
- Jay Uller

Take him 5 or 6 years but he'd get to 30.

It might be time for Leafs Nation to get over it and move on.

Maybe.
- Atomic Wedgie

It was only briefly mentioned a few pages ago.

Kadri has untapped talent.

The way Gardiner can skate a puck into the zone on a PP leads me to believe we have to keep him.

Franson is completely over-rated by Leafs Nation, does very little and will be looking for a huge payday at the end of the year (RFA, but arbitration rights) so we will probably be losing him for nothing.

Would you like to guess what my answer is?
- Atomic Wedgie

Trading Franson right now while he still has a shred of value is close to a no-brainer.

loser points muddy the water. its as bad as it has ever been.

67Sound ‏@67sound
If you treat SO/OT games like ties--which is what they are for evaluative purposes--Leafs are 4-15-12 in last 31, 12-19-14 overall.

4-15-12???
- senstroll

I say we don't treat them like ties...who's with me?

Regardless of where the blame really should fall, you HAVE to seriously look at firing the coach given this slide. I honestly don't know how he hasn't yet.

Tonof games coming up. If they lose 2 or 3 more in a row, car lyles gone.

Points in 6 straight games bought him more time, but they are still playing terribly, and didn't play well for a full game in any of those 6.
- Big_Lightnin

I believe if the management wants players to start being held accountable then they need to be held accountable for their decisions. That includes when and if to fire the coach.

Kadri has untapped talent.

The way Gardiner can skate a puck into the zone on a PP leads me to believe we have to keep him.

Franson is completely over-rated by Leafs Nation, does very little and will be looking for a huge payday at the end of the year (RFA, but arbitration rights) so we will probably be losing him for nothing.

Would you like to guess what my answer is?
- Atomic Wedgie

can we make gardiner a winger so we dont have to watch him in his own end?

kadri is still on pace for 50 points in his first full season

franson will be stupidly kept due to his right handed shot

seriously.. we'll be looking at a top line of stajan poni and blake II in 2021 or so