Its the leadership he brings.....and he was playing freakin great up until he got injured.
- Fakepartofme

He's played 15 games as a Maple Leaf.

there were a few of us who didnt like his approach.. you were one, i can speak for Big_Dion as well.. I didnt like it either.yes, there is the flip floppers.. but there are a few of us who were never sold on RC
- Dozzer

Oh I know...I didnt name names..I know you two diffenitely didnt like his approach.

well if the players are the problem then the GM's are the problem
- bobbyisno1

yes exactly my point
in order to get to firing Nonis you have to remove the coach first.

then trade everyone and start over, the players are the problem

Out dated!
90% of the people on here loved his system last year and earlier this year.

Again, not disagreeing, its just funny how people flip flop.
- Fakepartofme

The point of that post still makes sense though.

The players have been moved out due to the coach's dislike for them and others brought in for him. If it still stinks for the rest of the season, it's a pretty sticky situation to be in.

On one hand do you stick with what you're doing and bring in MORE guys to "fit the system" or do you change and then have to find the players to fit THAT system?

Why doesn't Nonis just build his team and find the coach to play for HIS team instead of the other way around?

how people arent grasping this yet is rather impressive... it was odd.. then unusual.. but now its gone all the way around to impressive.

he is even considered a backup.. one who is capable of being a starter.. but he is considered to be the number 2 now

http://www.sportsnet.ca/h...gs-reimer-the-top-backup/
- Dozzer

Jesus f'n christ Bruce! As a mod how the hell did you miss my first post on the topic! I give up!

Oh then I'm in agreement. Just have to wait for the right deal though still.

Problem is what happens when you make that trade for another "Carlyle player" and it still doesn't help?
- Aaron85

You dont have to trade for a carlyle type player, this is Nonis' team not carlyles. Nonis can give poop to carlyle for not playing a skilled player he obtained if carlyle is not playing him correctly. Alot of players are not carlyle players doesnt mean they are poop

meh.. its an excuse for failing.. nothing more.

when it came down to one game.. the kings were the better team.. plain and simple

excuses are for cowards and children
- Dozzer

Well maybe Im a scared little child!

I know....but he did admit his error.
I just would have prefered not to have Wayne on the ice for 2mins!

there were a few of us who didnt like his approach.. you were one, i can speak for Big_Dion as well.. I didnt like it either.

yes, there is the flip floppers.. but there are a few of us who were never sold on RC
- Dozzer

Still think he was the beneficiary of incredible personnel in Anaheim more than anything. Guys like Trotz and Tippet are coaches that amaze me, that take very average rosters to respectibility/playoffs consistently.

if you keep making moves to build the team around carlyle, and carlyle's system sucks, (which we know it does) - its out dated - then what? you have already removed grabovski, macarthur, frattin, liles and whos next? reimer?

this team is being gutted because carlyle doesnt like player X,Y,Z
- big_dion

Over dramatic.... Gutted implies very good players were moved and those 4 were not that.

Frattin for Bernier was a steal.

thats quite a problem then

Nonis thinks the core is fine and extends them, but the players are the problem, and have been now for 7 years and 2 coaches.
- senstroll

Hmmm

No one on the core has been here for more than 5 years...

Well maybe Im a scared little child!

I know....but he did admit his error.
I just would have prefered not to have Wayne on the ice for 2mins!


- Fakepartofme

4 mins he cut dougie

excuses are for cowards and children

it didnt clinch the series.. there was another game.. the leafs didnt rise to the challenge.. period.

thats why they watched an LA / Montreal final.
- Dozzer

the game was tied in OT and then the high stick/no call then Gretz scores

would the leafs have won? who knows, but its a hell of an advantage having WG in the box

You dont have to trade for a carlyle type player, this is Nonis' team not carlyles. Nonis can give poop to carlyle for not playing a skilled player he obtained if carlyle is not playing him correctly. Alot of players are not carlyle players doesnt mean they are poop
- Mapleleafs_91

Then what do you do? Fire the coach? People are saying it's the players fault so fire them for not playing the system.

It can't go both ways. I agree, Nonis should build HIS team and have a coach to coach HIS team. Not the other way around.

Jesus f'n christ Bruce! As a mod how the hell did you miss my first post on the topic! I give up!
- mykokes

i thought i saw that somewhere lol

there were a few of us who didnt like his approach.. you were one, i can speak for Big_Dion as well.. I didnt like it either.

yes, there is the flip floppers.. but there are a few of us who were never sold on RC
- Dozzer

It depends on what "approach" you are talking about.

On ice? We could debate that all day.

But treatment of players is what concerns me. He obviously is a hard-arse - ask Grabbo or Mac or anyone else who has left.

That approach has a limited shelf life these days - millionaire players don't respond after a while. You may not like it, but I don't really care - that's the reality.

There are now whispers that the Leafs have tuned out Carlyle. I don't see any evidence to refute those whispers.

I was at the game Saturday night. It was gutless. It was heartless.

Still think he was the beneficiary of incredible personnel in Anaheim more than anything. Guys like Trotz and Tippet are coaches that amaze me, that take very average rosters to respectibility/playoffs consistently.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

Any decent coach has a job...those who don't - there's a reason, so I'm with Dozz - let's try something new...just not a JFJ new.

yes exactly my point
in order to get to firing Nonis you have to remove the coach first.

then trade everyone and start over, the players are the problem
- senstroll

The players probably got tired of having the same thing screamed at them over and over. We all know what the definition of insanity is.

4 mins he cut dougie
- Big_Lightnin

was gonna post this as well.

Hmmm

No one on the core has been here for more than 5 years...
- Big_Lightnin

ok 5 years 2 coaches.
I was just using when RW started until now. but fair point

He's played 15 games as a Maple Leaf.
- TheTaoOfSemenko

I know....it sounds weird I know....but when he was on the ice...the team was completely different.
Its just my opinion.

the game was tied in OT and then the high stick/no call then Gretz scores

would the leafs have won? who knows, but its a hell of an advantage having WG in the box
- senstroll

that was game 6

there was a whole fresh game 7

they had all the chances they needed.. they didnt capitalize..

excuses are for cowards and children

own your shortcomings and stop pointing fingers.

The players probably got tired of having the same thing screamed at them over and over. We all know what the definition of insanity is.
- Jay Uller

Thinking Komarov is the answer.

Amirite?

I am right.

4 mins he cut dougie
- Big_Lightnin

oh sh!t ya!
Goddammit Fraser!

I know....it sounds weird I know....but when he was on the ice...the team was completely different.
Its just my opinion.
- Fakepartofme

so he's basically Komarov? wicked!

Then what do you do? Fire the coach? People are saying it's the players fault so fire them for not playing the system.

It can't go both ways. I agree, Nonis should build HIS team and have a coach to coach HIS team. Not the other way around.
- Aaron85

It is pretty evident that this "team" that we have does not justify to what Carlyle is about. Carlyle is a good coach neverless but the players do not suit his system. Don't know about last year i guess just luck and good momentum? Carlyle is a good coach, the only thing he can do is change it up, adjust his system according to the players he has, thats the only way he will achieve success with this hockey club. He does not have the defensive squad to do the system he wants and i dont blame him for that. I blame Nonis for the defensive faults as they are not good enough anyways from a standpoint to be responsible defenders. They need different guys in there on defense. Gleason was one step toward that